Nexaph testing
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This sounds contradictory to me. On one hand, Cain says he didn't know whether histidine was used with retatrutide. On the other hand, Cain says Nexaph remade the batch. If Nexaph is the one making the retatrutide, then it seems Nexaph would know know what it placed into it. If Nexaph is truly unaware of what it used to make a batch, that's just as scary if not more scary than Nexaph having intentionally added the histidine in the first place. Also, if Nexaph is unaware of what fillers it uses in batches, then I don't see how Nexaph can make a statement now that it never used histidine for GLP-1 drugs.
If they don't know what fillers are being used its safe to say theyre just flipping chinese stuff that someone else is overseeing.
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After the way y’all have treated “Michelle,” who in their right mind would take on any group effort to assist the community?
I’m not insane. You attack me for merely pointing out facts. I can only imagine the efforts to doxx and destroy should I take on the laboring oar of herding cats and their vials of catnip to a qualified, unbiased lab entity. JFC
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I have a job. I don’t have all day to spend defaming people, dude. I had no intention of revisiting this thread until Dwight encouraged me to come read what Note and Cain had to say here.
And I have no intention of responding to you further. So don’t expect one. Keep on ranting about me here and in the groups, I really don’t care.
Sounds like we're working towards progress.
Cain's response was helpful.
Vendor testing is vendor testing. Usually if they pay for it, it includes the right to change the name on the test to the vendor. I guess the only real gotcha is, if Cain knows who's doing the testing, he could stack the deck to make sure they got good product, and swap out lower quality to the rest of the non-testers.
I think that's the real fly in the ointment, with Cain paying for testing @YoYoFat - it's too easy to stack the deck.
My only other mediation suggestion would be to stop calling Cain/Nexa/Nexaph/SPC the term "baba". It sounds derogatory.
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Cain's response was helpful.
Vendor testing is vendor testing. Usually if they pay for it, it includes the right to change the name on the test to the vendor. I guess the only real gotcha is, if Cain knows who's doing the testing, he could stack the deck to make sure they got good product, and swap out lower quality to the rest of the non-testers.
I think that's the real fly in the ointment, with Cain paying for testing @YoYoFat - it's too easy to stack the deck.
My only other mediation suggestion would be to stop calling Cain/Nexa/Nexaph/SPC the term "baba". It sounds derogatory.
*Only one weasel word was harmed in the making of this message.
He used to go by Baba for a while before creating his n-th current persona.
I see. Still probably could use his current persona name though right?
He still actively uses it in his other community.
He has two identities in use, we aren’t deadnaming him.
I addressed this in my previous statement with the attached Janoshik reports.
You got banned for asking these questions? I am the only one that can ban people, and i find it unlikely these where the questions asked that got you banned.
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I think everyone here is talking so much about the testing drama that the real scandal is going unaddressed: the formula changes he made that appeared to compromise the integrity of products he was sending customers.
GimmeABreak
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How else would you run a vendor funded, 3rd party test?
There is no way that Test Point/Peptide Test is going to risk their reputation to cater the results to Nexaph's needs even if they are paying for the tests.
There a so many vendors out there that don't even provide COA's or provide old COA's (look at the COA for QSC's black Friday promo on 20mg Reta, the COA is from May) the fact that he is willing to fund 3rd party tests tells me he has a high confidence level in his product. He has also established a track record of replacing substandard product without buyers even requesting a replacement, Show me another gray kit vendor that does this.
It sounds like people would be more comfortable with buyers paying for the test themselves, and submitting a receipt to Cain for a refund? I may be misunderstanding.
He said that the questionable filler was not used with glp1s after all (it seems fine with non-glp1s other than potentially masking impurities, but not interacting with the peptide itself). He had thought it was used w reta and stated as much, which was the origin of the controversy, but has walked that back.
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You can direct message each other, find out the Telegram user name, and then definitely answer whether that got someone banned.
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How does that align with what Janoshik said?
Human biases come into play when funding is involved. Even if Colgate does nothing but hand over the money, most humans have an inherent tendency to not want to bite the hands that feed. Science consistently sees results that are less likely to be reproduced by independent studies when the original findings are funded by a company with financial interest in the outcome.
That being said, I don't think this is a proper comparison. Jano is an independent party that is not beholden to any one vendor, and he stands to lose his business if it becomes known that his COAs aren't trustworthy, and has also shown that he is perfectly willing to show unsatisfactory test results. People will still send vials to him regardless of whether or not vendors are happy with his results. It's simply not the same situation as scientists who frequently are fighting for grant money like table scraps.
Edit: Replace Jano with Peptide Test I suppose, getting the story about the filler mixed up.
Jano was seeing peptides that had bad impurities, said to baba “hey these peptides look like shit did you use a new filler?,” to which baba said yes it was the filler, apparently erroneously. So at the end of the day Jano was just seeing baba’s conventional poorly made peptides. Thats the story as I understand it.
