peptideusername
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Cleveland Nexa Pharma doesn't really hit the same
Nexaph testing
- Thread starter DwightTheDelight
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I would rather buy peptides from China than Cleveland. lol
I have the upmost respect for you and what you add to this forum, it is excellent to say the least.
In respect to transparency, all the info about testing for the subpar purity 10mg Tirz was known to all affected. Cain was paying for it, Michelle was over seeing the vials being sent to test. First three people who volunteered were selected. One vial of the three failed to meet the 99% purity and Cain posted the results and announced those affected would be receiving replacements.(mine is in route). I like doing business with folks that have guarantees and honor those when they fail to meet them.
Hi everyone, going to try to address as many of the concerns that i have seen in this thread as i can.
What fillers are used in our formulations:
We currently use either one or a combination of the following: mannitol, sorbitol, sucrose and trehalose. Histidine is currently only being used in Tesamorelin because of degradation worries. Tesamorelin has a tendency to degrade if not buffered properly hence the reason we use histidine. Histidine was used because that is what the FDA approved version of Tesamorelin used (egrifta).
Any formulation we make, you can directly ask me for the excipients used and ill be happy to answer that. I don't think any other vendor has that knowledge or can even tell you because they aren't directly involved in the manufacturing process. Saying mannitol is the only excipient used for any of these Chinese vendors or other vendors is completely false, mannitol only generally does not protect the peptide and you would have seen many other issues if that was the case.
Third party testing:
We do pay for third party testing for the peptides we sell, i believe this is normal practice among vendors. If this is not the case, please correct me. As for Michelle "infiltrating" and being an "agent" for me, this is absolutely ridiculous. She helps in organizing random donors for third party testing that is getting sent directly to the testing lab. This organizing is done for my telegram group and not for any other group outside of it. I didn't even know she was part of a group that does third party testing till SM1 made that ridiculous statement about me manipulating. Honestly these claims are just ridiculous and below the belt. We are trying to do right by our customers by paying for their third party testing and to reduce the burden of cost to them. Other than that we are not involved in any way.
Lastly:
I'm sorry to all my customers that have to deal with ridiculous claims made by these types of people that have nothing better to do than to drag a vendor because they have a grudge against them. I am not active on these forums anymore because of issues like this but am very active in my telegram community. So please if anyone has any concerns they can contact me on telegram or ask in the telegram channels so i can answer them directly.
What fillers are used in our formulations:
We currently use either one or a combination of the following: mannitol, sorbitol, sucrose and trehalose. Histidine is currently only being used in Tesamorelin because of degradation worries. Tesamorelin has a tendency to degrade if not buffered properly hence the reason we use histidine. Histidine was used because that is what the FDA approved version of Tesamorelin used (egrifta).
Any formulation we make, you can directly ask me for the excipients used and ill be happy to answer that. I don't think any other vendor has that knowledge or can even tell you because they aren't directly involved in the manufacturing process. Saying mannitol is the only excipient used for any of these Chinese vendors or other vendors is completely false, mannitol only generally does not protect the peptide and you would have seen many other issues if that was the case.
Third party testing:
We do pay for third party testing for the peptides we sell, i believe this is normal practice among vendors. If this is not the case, please correct me. As for Michelle "infiltrating" and being an "agent" for me, this is absolutely ridiculous. She helps in organizing random donors for third party testing that is getting sent directly to the testing lab. This organizing is done for my telegram group and not for any other group outside of it. I didn't even know she was part of a group that does third party testing till SM1 made that ridiculous statement about me manipulating. Honestly these claims are just ridiculous and below the belt. We are trying to do right by our customers by paying for their third party testing and to reduce the burden of cost to them. Other than that we are not involved in any way.
Lastly:
I'm sorry to all my customers that have to deal with ridiculous claims made by these types of people that have nothing better to do than to drag a vendor because they have a grudge against them. I am not active on these forums anymore because of issues like this but am very active in my telegram community. So please if anyone has any concerns they can contact me on telegram or ask in the telegram channels so i can answer them directly.
There is a city named Shanghai in Indiana so he isn’t completely lying, definitely deceiving.
Simple, straightforward, yes or no question: Did you experiment with histidine in glp1s only to discover it had unpredictable interactions with them after it was in customers' hands (and bodies)?
You need to stop closing every post with the part where you pretend to be a victim. There are valid concerns here that you simply skip over and then act like anyone who voices them is an irrational grudge holder.
Histidine was never used in GLP1's, we where afraid it may have been used with Reta and that is what caused the degradation. So we sent a sample of the histidine to Jano to confirm and he didn't detect histidine. It turned out to just be degradation from the process of freeze drying. After we got that confirmation, we re made the batch and re shipped it out to everyone affected.
Trying to understand things because it contradicts your previous statement (attached). So you thought you used histidine, you told jano that was what you used when he asked about the filler because of major impurities in the sample, but then it turned out you didnt use histidine after all after sending in another sample?
Assuming that is the case, how did it occur that you were mistaken about the filler you used?
We sent three samples into Jano at the same time, Tesamorelin, TB4, and Retatrutide. We weren't sure as to which one this graph was alluring to. After sending him the histidine to recalculate, it was clear that Reta wasn't part of the major impurities. The TB4 that had histidine in it was never sold or sent to any customers. Ill attach the recalculated tests and comments from Jano below.
Histidine is an essential amino acid and it isnt something thats just a "random filler". Its used in many FDA formulations because of its positives.
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peptideusername
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Then you are his target customer base and exactly why he went with a lying Chinese name.
Thanks for clarifying. Sorry to see you do the victim thing at the end of what was otherwise a healthy and mature engagement, but I do admire that you got 80% of the way there; that's progress! Nobody called it a random filler, it was called a filler not typically used with GLP1s, which is true is it not? Believe it or not we arent all out to get you, we'd just like to see you behave in an above-board fashion which isn't a terrible thing to strive for, but hasn't really been the case to date.
keangkong
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This sounds contradictory to me. On one hand, Cain says he didn't know whether histidine was used with retatrutide. On the other hand, Cain says Nexaph remade the batch. If Nexaph is the one making the retatrutide, then it seems Nexaph would know know what it placed into it. If Nexaph is truly unaware of what it used to make a batch, that's just as scary if not more scary than Nexaph having intentionally added the histidine in the first place. Also, if Nexaph is unaware of what fillers it uses in batches, then I don't see how Nexaph can make a statement now that it never used histidine for GLP-1 drugs.
If they don't know what fillers are being used its safe to say theyre just flipping chinese stuff that someone else is overseeing.
YoYoFat
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After the way y’all have treated “Michelle,” who in their right mind would take on any group effort to assist the community?
I’m not insane. You attack me for merely pointing out facts. I can only imagine the efforts to doxx and destroy should I take on the laboring oar of herding cats and their vials of catnip to a qualified, unbiased lab entity. JFC
YoYoFat
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I have a job. I don’t have all day to spend defaming people, dude. I had no intention of revisiting this thread until Dwight encouraged me to come read what Note and Cain had to say here.
And I have no intention of responding to you further. So don’t expect one. Keep on ranting about me here and in the groups, I really don’t care.
Sounds like we're working towards progress.
Cain's response was helpful.
Vendor testing is vendor testing. Usually if they pay for it, it includes the right to change the name on the test to the vendor. I guess the only real gotcha is, if Cain knows who's doing the testing, he could stack the deck to make sure they got good product, and swap out lower quality to the rest of the non-testers.
I think that's the real fly in the ointment, with Cain paying for testing @YoYoFat - it's too easy to stack the deck.
My only other mediation suggestion would be to stop calling Cain/Nexa/Nexaph/SPC the term "baba". It sounds derogatory.
*Only one weasel word was harmed in the making of this message.
Cain's response was helpful.
Vendor testing is vendor testing. Usually if they pay for it, it includes the right to change the name on the test to the vendor. I guess the only real gotcha is, if Cain knows who's doing the testing, he could stack the deck to make sure they got good product, and swap out lower quality to the rest of the non-testers.
I think that's the real fly in the ointment, with Cain paying for testing @YoYoFat - it's too easy to stack the deck.
My only other mediation suggestion would be to stop calling Cain/Nexa/Nexaph/SPC the term "baba". It sounds derogatory.
*Only one weasel word was harmed in the making of this message.
He used to go by Baba for a while before creating his n-th current persona.
I see. Still probably could use his current persona name though right?
He still actively uses it in his other community.
