What would you do?

[keangkong]

What would you do? Would you pay for a second order that you didn't make? A friend (okay, I) ordered tadalafil (Cialis) for benign prostate enlargement (okay, erectile dysfunction) from a Chinese grey vendor. When the product didn't arrive after about 4 weeks, I asked why it hadn't yet arrived. The vendor said it has been seized by customs. The vendor said it was going to re-ship the product. About two weeks later, I checked the tracking number from the original product. I learned that the item was now in my state. I Whatsapp'd the vendor telling them that the original shipment went through. The vendor then sent me the tracking number from the second shipment (which had been sent several hours before I contacted the vendor) and asked if I'd pay for the second order. I told the vendor no. The first order has since arrived and works fine. Since that time, I've wonder whether I should have offered to pay for the second order if it arrives. I'm thinking that I'll either continue not to pay anything or offer to pay for the product itself but not the shipping (since if I had ordered that much originally, I would have only paid one shipping fee).

 

[clayd]

No

 

[Superfluous]

It depends how much you value your relationship with this vendor and whether the vendor actually cares enough to hold it against you.

 

[Vicki]

I would pay if I like the vendor. Ive seen people say vendors have asked them to do this before too.

 

[stickfigure]

If you don't beed the product, ask them to send you a prepaid label to ship it to their US warehouse.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

What would you do? Would you pay for a second order that you didn't make? A friend (okay, I) ordered tadalafil (Cialis) for benign prostate enlargement (okay, erectile dysfunction) from a Chinese grey vendor. When the product didn't arrive after about 4 weeks, I asked why it hadn't yet arrived. The vendor said it has been seized by customs. The vendor said it was going to re-ship the product. About two weeks later, I checked the tracking number from the original product. I learned that the item was now in my state. I Whatsapp'd the vendor telling them that the original shipment went through. The vendor then sent me the tracking number from the second shipment (which had been sent several hours before I contacted the vendor) and asked if I'd pay for the second order. I told the vendor no. The first order has since arrived and works fine. Since that time, I've wonder whether I should have offered to pay for the second order if it arrives. I'm thinking that I'll either continue not to pay anything or offer to pay for the product itself but not the shipping (since if I had ordered that much originally, I would have only paid one shipping fee).

I would offer to return it to a US address of their choosing. Unless it’s something I’d be happy to have and use, in which case I’d pay. We expect vendors to act with integrity so we should model the same behavior with the good ones.

 

[chmuse]

Depends. Was the packaging good, or did it look like there was a reason to be stuck in customs? Will you use it, or be able to use it before it expires (I don't know anything about this med.)

I wouldn't pay until it arrived regardless, because there is still currently a risk of this second order being held by customs. I'd probably try my luck with asking to pay product price without shipping. If I wasn't going to be able to use it, then I'd throw up the vials in one of the b/s/t groups marked up just enough to cover shipping so I didn't have to deal with whining about shipping prices.

 

[G Vice]

When the second order arrives, I would pay the vendor for that second order, and reciprocate the good faith.

 

[Gamma662keV]

When the second order arrives, I would pay the vendor for that second order, and reciprocate the good faith.

agree

 

[YoYoFat]

I would have said that I’d pay for the second order if I ultimately received two orders. I’d do this so as to not burn a bridge, and because it’s the right thing to do.

 

[nonyabizznez]

Gonna be blunt but if you're worried about associating a boner with guilt you'd be the FIRST person experiencing that...

And every Catholic, Mormon, Scientologist (because you took a pill and didn't pay to eradicate a theton).

If I got both orders and intended to use the product I'd meet them halfway monetarily. I did this with the stinging Amopure which was effective so I was going to use it. Didn't want to feel like I stole my weightloss.

A problem is that no vendor should want returned product. (Would a pharmacy? Def No) No customer shipped the wrong item should be turned into a drug mule. Yesterday I received Ghk-cu lyophilized instead of cosmetic (Nexha - easy mistake). They immediately shipped correct item and told me to use or discard incorrect ghk-cu (I can't use lyophilized unless I use the whole kit to make one application of face cream).

 

[glpfun]

Not the question you asked but for boner pills, hair pills, or prescription skincare stuff I just use the telehealth option with goodrx and then use a goodrx coupon to purchase from my pharmacy. It ends up being really cheap and low hassle.

 

[keangkong]

When the second order arrives, I would pay the vendor for that second order, and reciprocate the good faith.

Thanks for the advice. I did receive the second order and am using the first order, which works. I offered to pay the price without the shipping since if I had ordered double the amount the first time, I would have paid only one shipping fee. They don't have much of a choice, since they don't have much of a way of forcing me to pay. And they have to know I'm being reasonable.

 

[YoYoFat]

Not the question you asked but for boner pills, hair pills, or prescription skincare stuff I just use the telehealth option with goodrx and then use a goodrx coupon to purchase from my pharmacy. It ends up being really cheap and low hassle.

Amazon also has this. It’s how I get my Tret.

 

[rkl123]

Shouldn't be ordering this from China. Order this from India.

 

[keangkong]

Shouldn't be ordering this from China. Order this from India.

Why?

 

[rkl123]

Why?

A disproportionate amount of US pharma/generics comes from India. It is a big business there so most of the bigger/easier to find good sources are Indian (not Chinese) just like there aren't currently any true Indian GLP makers.

An Indian source selling you cialis for pennies is a common well worn path (every single source I've seen features Cialis/Viagra on their front page). A Chinese source selling you it is vastly less common.

 

[glpfun]

A disproportionate amount of US pharma/generics comes from India. It is a big business there so most of the bigger/easier to find good sources are Indian (not Chinese) just like there aren't currently any true Indian GLP makers.

An Indian source selling you cialis for pennies is a common well worn path (every single source I've seen features Cialis/Viagra on their front page). A Chinese source selling you it is vastly less common.

Most Indian pharma is underdosed:
Taladifil - 4.6 mg instead of 5 https://janoshik.com/tests/47067-Vidalista_5_SR8ID1TUBV7K

Telmisartan - 67mg instead of 80 https://janoshik.com/tests/47072-Telmaheal_80_812XFJIGBDRL

Gabapentin- 567mg instead of 600 https://janoshik.com/tests/42783-GABASIGN600_LDB8QR6TZVM2

Yes India is good at mass producing generics but they also have less standards than the US or EU does during production like not testing raws bedore making a batch so it isn’t underdosed. IMO choose whichever one tests better and is cheaper, oftentimes that is China

 

[blueblue]

Most Indian pharma is underdosed:
Taladifil - 4.6 mg instead of 5 https://janoshik.com/tests/47067-Vidalista_5_SR8ID1TUBV7K

Telmisartan - 67mg instead of 80 https://janoshik.com/tests/47072-Telmaheal_80_812XFJIGBDRL

Gabapentin- 567mg instead of 600 https://janoshik.com/tests/42783-GABASIGN600_LDB8QR6TZVM2

Yes India is good at mass producing generics but they also have less standards than the US or EU does during production like not testing raws bedore making a batch so it isn’t underdosed. IMO choose whichever one tests better and is cheaper, oftentimes that is China

Do you have actual data showing that "most" Indian pharma is underdosed?

Why didn't you cite the location you pulled the listing of these tests from? Fortunately, I was able to find the Telmaheal 80 test by searching for the filename, and I found it in pctzone's thread at steroidsourcetalk. The Vidalista 5 is also from that list.

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Hello, I wanted to let you know that the product you requested has already been recently tested, just last month. So, if you decide to proceed with the testing, rest assured that it won't be as uninformed as you might think. You would be sending in the original packaging just as we did with...

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There are 12 products listed in that post. Here are the HPLC results for those 12 tests:

Only 2 of the 12 products have a tested value of less than 90% of the claim. Most people would recognize that a 7 or 8% under is within acceptable limits, but even if we include those, that is still only 4 out of 12 underdosed.

Did you find the Telmaheal 80 from pctzone's post? If so, why leave out this context? If you found the results somewhere else, please link to it, otherwise this gives the impression that you are dishonestly cherry picking a single test out of a collection and using it to claim "most" are underdosed, when the very source you got it from shows this not to be the case.

Also the gabapentin 567/600 = 94.5% of the label claim. This is underdosed?? What about something that is 98% of the label claim? Does that also count as underdosed when you say "most Indian pharma is underdosed"? Does 99.99% count as well?

I encourage you to provide untained reliable data to support your claim, otherwise please stop spreading disinformation and misleading people.

 

[chmuse]

Do you have actual data showing that "most" Indian pharma is underdosed?

Why didn't you cite the location you pulled the listing of these tests from? Fortunately, I was able to find the Telmaheal 80 test by searching for the filename, and I found it in pctzone's thread at steroidsourcetalk. The Vidalista 5 is also from that list.

[SOURCE] PCT.ZONE - USA, UK, EU DOM & INT - Pharma Grade - India Generic Pharma - BEST PRICE GUARANTEE

Hello, I wanted to let you know that the product you requested has already been recently tested, just last month. So, if you decide to proceed with the testing, rest assured that it won't be as uninformed as you might think. You would be sending in the original packaging just as we did with...

www.steroidsourcetalk.cc

There are 12 products listed in that post. Here are the HPLC results for those 12 tests:
View attachment 5241

Only 2 of the 12 products have a tested value of less than 90% of the claim. Most people would recognize that a 7 or 8% under is within acceptable limits, but even if we include those, that is still only 4 out of 12 underdosed.

Did you find the Telmaheal 80 from pctzone's post? If so, why leave out this context? If you found the results somewhere else, please link to it, otherwise this gives the impression that you are dishonestly cherry picking a single test out of a collection and using it to claim "most" are underdosed, when the very source you got it from shows this not to be the case.

Also the gabapentin 567/600 = 94.5% of the label claim. This is underdosed?? What about something that is 98% of the label claim? Does that also count as underdosed when you say "most Indian pharma is underdosed"? Does 99.99% count as well?

I encourage you to provide untained reliable data to support your claim, otherwise please stop spreading disinformation and misleading people.

What a first post!