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Depends if the test is just for your own safety purposes or potentially dispute product quality to a vendor. Most vendors go by Jano only for any complaints. As panda said, finding a local uni or similar is probably going to be a lot cheaper. Most testing companies charge in the same range as...

While a full scale investigation is very unlikely, it is rather likely that they try the waters with some angry letters or call a buyer in for a simple interview. Easy padding of statistics if an unexperienced buyer thinks honesty is the best policy :)

Glad to see someone pick up this topic, I never really understood what makes this grey market instead of black?

Adding steroids to your order isn't really a great idea imo. Peptides are not controlled substances, steroids are, so getting it stopped is a bit more of a headache if it happens

You rang? We are talking about a dose under half of the recommended max aren't we, 1.25mg - So yes I doubt it's very serious. And there are trials testing significantly higher doses. Uncomfortable, sure. Dangerous, potentially if you are diabetic and don't know about it for example. But still...

The name might sound a bit scammy, but vendors that are sponsors on professional muscle usually are solid. Though a guaranteed sponsor is preferable. They would efficiently kill their brand name in the aas industry if they pull some bs ;) So even though I know nothing about them, I would...

Sure, but what good comes from harassing someone who didn’t and ended up making a mistake anyway - it won’t rewind time. I can’t recall saying I’m in charge of anything, neither am I mediating. I stated my opinion because i find it completely pointless to be rude to someone who already messed...

I don’t really understand peoples logic 🙃 Headache, paracetamol Broken arm, cast Sleepy, sleep All of the above COULD also be solved with willpower… well, you need sleep at some point. I don’t see why you should waste 50% of your mental capacity on discipline, when you can take a weekly...

Not hostile, nor asking for advice? Try reading again. If your conclusion is the same, send me your address and i will gift you a dictionary. Some of the comments are definitely hostile, and OP thought s/he recieved professional guidance

I just don’t get it, if these drugs were magically burning fat like you were michael phelps in the olympics - i would be SUPER sceptical. But the function of making people eat less (mainly), doesn’t seem very intrusive nor dangerous to me 🤷‍♂️

You didn’t ask me, but i figure the answer will be close ish, professionalmuscle, elitefitness brotherhoodofpain.

They do like to mix up correlation with causation 🤷‍♂️

Ugh, what's with all the hostility? Look at how peptides are marketed and pushed, no wonder people consider them harmless and make mistakes. And let's be real, the glp-1s are rather harmless - So the real danger of making a mistake isn't all that big (though it should definitely be avoided)...

They have always cared/pretended to care. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say it’s more likely to be a part of the crackdown on the more harmful stuff than a crackdown on peptides specifically. Well, considering how rampant the peptide market is, it could be that they feel the need to...

I’d assume he’s talking about kits4less since they are a guaranteed sponsor on professional muscle (that is pretty much a NO bs guarantee). But I believe they are domestic, as for the Chinese vendors, the only one I recognize from elsewhere is QSC. But I don’t think anyone has labeled them as...

can you please stop writing paragraphs the length of a book? It’s a pain to read :) Also, the valid points you make kind of gets lost between all the exaggeration. Since you spend your time typing already, why not spend another minute or two getting your point through in a way people are...

It's highly individual, so you are probably best off consulting with a professional if you are not comfortable experimenting on yourself ;)

Yes, but oversight/scrutiny on local compound makes it a safer bet than shooting blindly and ordering from a random vendor in China that you found on Facebook or a new board (though I'm sure there is a lot of funny business going on with the compounders too). I'm not bashing CN manufacturers...

Jano can test it for you: https://janoshik.com/pricing/ Hormones can be tested too, but I think you will only get to know the amount of the active ingredient, not purity

With HGH you usually get what you pay for, so if you want it cheap and high purity - good luck :)

Take a big dose and pee on a pregnancy test, then you'll know if it works or not at least :)

It’s not an uncommon practice. You can however not pay the 20% and gamble if you forfeit the reship policy. I believe this is quite common for australia, norway, canada, a few others I can’t think of at the moment. But also varies a bit from vendor to vendor

Welcome to the black market (people like to call it grey, but I find that to be a coping thing for those who doesn't want to buy in the black market). To be honest, if you read around a bit. You will notice a handful of vendors that are very likely to deliver what you pay for - though the...

So you’re saying basically every product is the same? - wrong. And 200-400$ in tests only tells you the purity of the product, not if it is as it’s aupposed to be. You need a battery of tests costing in the range 2000-5000$ to truly know what you actually have in your hands (not that you need...

Use slip tip syringes. Draw with a 22/23g. Swap to a 27+ to penetrate your vial. You can use that size for both, but i prefer smaller sizes on the vial to make sure the seal stays intact. Often a pain in the ass with steroids, the vial starts talking a bit when you oenetrate it too many times...

yes, filtering does remove bacteria, but not endotoxins. You should filter if you follow best practice, there is no guarantee that your product is sterile. But it is unlikely to cause you any harm if you don’t filter, there is a slim chance though

While I do agree that raw manufacturers in China are probably (definitely) better at it than US manufacturers doing UG production. The way you phrase it makes it seem like a blanket statement for all CN manufacturers? Not all production in China happens in high end facilities with product...

Domestic vendors are back in the game!

Oh honey, your brilliance radiates like a thousand suns illuminating the darkest corners of the universe! Every word you grace us with is a symphony of wisdom and wit, a dazzling display that leaves us all in awe. If genius were a drop of water, you'd be the entire ocean! Truly, the forum is but...

It’s complicated some places because of legal systems that don’t necessarily follow common sense. On a side note, it is quite easy to mask your transactions, i’ll have a guide on that done this week i think

Give it a few months of frequent enough workouts and you won't get sore. And, working out while sore is fine, unless its reeeeeeeeal bad - Just take it a bit easier :)

With UAE I would be more worried about some strict regulations than I would about customs taking my stuff. Not saying it's strict, but I would definitely check

I'd suggest asking some big guy at the gym :) Usually some overlap with steroid and peptide import

That's difficult to answer, would be on a case by case basis I suppose. But for most research vendors, simply removing the glp1s if they get angry letters from Ely would solve the problem, then they can decide what to do from there. The safer way would be to just operate anonymously :P...

From what I understand, the general population is considered too stupid to manage that - so it wouldn’t get approved 🤷‍♂️ The real cost saver for Chinese peptides is that they are not liquid. Well, and the lack if requirements for documentation supply chain and storage etc. But in any case...

I’m not too worried about access and supply (not at all). The only thing that might take a beating here, is the end users already limited ability to understand where the product comes from and how safe it is. I’m not sure what you mean by segmenting? Are you referring to SRYs statement...

But, think of all the protein you can buy if you don't

Uhm, not that I'm big on (legal) international import/export. But for controlled substances and stuff that is strong enough to game over someone with a dust particle (figure of speech). I always assumed that the exporter needed a license, and to verify that the importer also has a license and...

I could definitely have been clearer though. My point was that I agree skepticism is healthy, but that it also has to go hand in hand with rationality - Which you clearly demonstrate by having your own list and taking notes, understanding that you are taking a risk, and admitting that you don't...

Actually, I totally agree with your post - And I chose to reply to it in order to build on the point you made, not to criticize you :)

I'm not going to argue that it's healthy to be skeptical. My problem lies with faulty logic: "Everyone" is in on the race to the bottom - Chasing low price as a main metric and discussing how cheap it can get. Which at some point (One i personally believe we passed already) will cause issues...

No way for anyone to verify, isn't exactly accurate - though not far from it. For an end user/customer the statement is pretty much spot on though

Eh, I could understand if you got bashed by a forum that is directing users to sources and which medication to pick. But it's been clearly stated numerous times that doing research is a requirement here, so I don't see the problem? :) Also, there are tons of somewhat sketchy stuff that works...

Is that a roundabout way of placing an order? 😇 Yeah no, even though cocaine probably could assist with weight loss - We stick to selling the stuff that is less likely to put us in the spotlight :)

Absolutely correct - you get how this works!

:ROFLMAO:The blanket suspicion for all manufacturers is simply inane... The risk profile between the two is night and day... Assuming that one implicates the other demonstrates a significant lack of critical assessment skills 🤷‍♂️

Love how you measure your kcal in chickens 😂 Kind of similar to my financial decision making: If I don’t buy this thing I don’t need… I can buy X buckets of protein powder

Would be quite neat if it was true in my opinion 🤷‍♂️

Depends how long you intend to store them for. You could expect less than 2% potency loss after two years in the fridge with un-reconstituted sema/tirz/reta. If the production quality of your peptides is good and there is no contamination. Other peptides might be more or less stable

Pretty sure he’s being funny and inadvertently stepped on some toes 🙃 /s as they say on reddit