(Alice) TFC’s Lipo-C tested as DYED WATER

I've come to the conclusion that we essentially broke the system with too much demand. Name brand meds are in shortage, The telehealth and compound pharmacies are all in disarray. The grey vendors are all screwed up, you can't trust ASC, TFC, gyc, amo disappeared, sry is ok but THEIR US warehouse and shipping has turned into a disaster. And everyone knows qsc issues.

I think there's just been so much of a rush into this space that the system buckled. I'm stocked up for a while but I think even after the CNY holiday, I'm sitting out for a few months while everyone regroups.
 
clayd said:
I've come to the conclusion that we essentially broke the system with too much demand. Name brand meds are in shortage, The telehealth and compound pharmacies are all in disarray. The grey vendors are all screwed up, you can't trust ASC, TFC, gyc, amo disappeared, sry is ok but THEIR US warehouse and shipping has turned into a disaster. And everyone knows qsc issues.

I think there's just been so much of a rush into this space that the system buckled. I'm stocked up for a while but I think even after the CNY holiday, I'm sitting out for a few months while everyone regroups.
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My SRY delivery is expected to happen today, according to the post office. Amo, with characteristic responsiveness, responded to my Whatsapp message yesterday within a few hours, telling me that returning customers can Whatsapp or email them, however, orders won't ship until after February 13. Amo said they will have a new website, although they wouldn't tell me its name yet.
 
that's cold blooded damn. Surprised people didn't get sick from that.
 
clayd said:
I've come to the conclusion that we essentially broke the system with too much demand. Name brand meds are in shortage, The telehealth and compound pharmacies are all in disarray. The grey vendors are all screwed up, you can't trust ASC, TFC, gyc, amo disappeared, sry is ok but THEIR US warehouse and shipping has turned into a disaster. And everyone knows qsc issues.

I think there's just been so much of a rush into this space that the system buckled. I'm stocked up for a while but I think even after the CNY holiday, I'm sitting out for a few months while everyone regroups.
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Typically, vendors aren't lowering prices if something is about to buckle under demand pressure. Remember how cheap things got? My prediction is still that there are only about two companies making all of it in China and one of them probably lost favor with the CCP and is in a Chinese prison until they can pay their way out of it. The bitcoin wallet people were tracking with a half billion dollars in it is probably a family member of Xi Jinping
 
clevesand said:
Typically, vendors aren't lowering prices if something is about to buckle under demand pressure. Remember how cheap things got? My prediction is still that there are only about two companies making all of it in China and one of them probably lost favor with the CCP and is in a Chinese prison until they can pay their way out of it. The bitcoin wallet people were tracking with a half billion dollars in it is probably a family member of Xi Jinping
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yeah fair point on the prices. but was that mostly just mostly the resellers' profit margin getting competed away while the actual manufacturers were running at full capacity, and thus started supplying subpar product - or worse, fake product?

usually falling prices don't indicate too much demand but i wonder if both could be true - somehow falling prices reflecting greater competition in one part of the supply chain while the other parts are totally overwhelmed? just a thought. maybe a reach.
 
keangkong said:
I highly doubt this. The Chinese economy is highly resilient and quick to adapt. China with a population of 1.4 billion people can handle the added demand.
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well are we talking 1.4 billion people or are we talking 2 factories that produce raws.
i'm just saying i think it's temporarily broken. it will get fixed. but in the rush of the last 6 months, some things came out bad, some bad product, some bad shipping, bad operations/backoffice, some degradation, some dyed water, some unscrupulous freight forwarders...it will all shake out
 
clayd said:
well are we talking 1.4 billion people or are we talking 2 factories that produce raws.
i'm just saying i think it's temporarily broken. it will get fixed. but in the rush of the last 6 months, some things came out bad, some bad product, some bad shipping, bad operations/backoffice, some degradation, some dyed water, some unscrupulous freight forwarders...it will all shake out
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It would not surprise me if things are tough for a few months.
 
I have 2 fresh kits of Lipo-C from @Alice TFC here. I wrote here in Discord about it. Lets see how she will solve this, because selling dyed water is a planned scam. If its underdosed then we van talk about a mistake but not in this case
 
Brute Enforcer Emeritus needs to tag her profile as scammer.

Alice, PDNM, QST, and the rest of these alphabet soup vendors that popped up around October are probably all working for ASC. They're all scammers. I was shopping for lipo c a while back but got suspicious because these companies are all selling a kit for around $80~$120, when QSC known for rock bottom prices were quoting $170 a kit.

If you bought a kit from group buys such as turtle or Eris you probably got scammed too. They look exactly like these kits.
 
I've only tried a Lipo-C-type mix from an EU research vendor and it has quite an immediate effect - flushing, increased heart rate, even slight tremors - that is not very pleasant but goes away after a little while. I imagine it would be very (not) noticeable if it was just food dye and did absolutely nothing?

Does anyone know of independent tests done on other TFC products, especially non GLP peptides?
 
beefsteak said:
Brute Enforcer Emeritus needs to tag her profile as scammer.

Alice, PDNM, QST, and the rest of these alphabet soup vendors that popped up around October are probably all working for ASC. They're all scammers. I was shopping for lipo c a while back but got suspicious because these companies are all selling a kit for around $80~$120, when QSC known for rock bottom prices were quoting $170 a kit.

If you bought a kit from group buys such as turtle or Eris you probably got scammed too. They look exactly like these kits.
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QSC might not be the best alternative. I doubt that I'm getting the reta I paid for in crypto about two weeks before Tracy disappeared.
 
beefsteak said:
Brute Enforcer Emeritus needs to tag her profile as scammer.

Alice, PDNM, QST, and the rest of these alphabet soup vendors that popped up around October are probably all working for ASC. They're all scammers. I was shopping for lipo c a while back but got suspicious because these companies are all selling a kit for around $80~$120, when QSC known for rock bottom prices were quoting $170 a kit.

If you bought a kit from group buys such as turtle or Eris you probably got scammed too. They look exactly like these kits.
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Lipo being a blend…is there anyone that can verify it’s legit besides a US pharmacy?
 
stickfigure said:
Which test? Jano offers a wide range of tests
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dont have any more info than when qsc launched theirs, they mentioned on either telegram or in the vendor section here that jano couldnt test for anything besides the b12 in it.

i assume the interpretation is that they arent paying the testing costs necessary for it because its too expensive vs. the regular testing theyre getting, not really that its impossible
 
Right. QSC just paid quite a lot of money for testing of their 'premium' AAS products before being forced to shut down. Great test results, but no one can buy the products
 
Sheldor said:
I have 2 fresh kits of Lipo-C from @Alice TFC here. I wrote here in Discord about it. Lets see how she will solve this, because selling dyed water is a planned scam. If its underdosed then we van talk about a mistake but not in this case
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Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.

I have some vials I got months ago from Raven’s server that were sourced from Nexaph, perfect. They were w/o b vitamins, I added my own from kits4less.

About a month or so ago I bought a couple of vials from a different person and as soon as I picked up the cherry-red vial I knew it was fake. Drew some out, no smell, super thin, and the red stained my hands.
 
fetefille said:
Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.

I have some vials I got months ago from Raven’s server that were sourced from Nexaph, perfect. They were w/o b vitamins, I added my own from kits4less.

About a month or so ago I bought a couple of vials from a different person and as soon as I picked up the cherry-red vial I knew it was fake. Drew some out, no smell, super thin, and the red stained my hands.
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That smell makes me nauseous every time I open my case. I have to put my Carved and Pegasus in a ziploc baggie because it smells so bad..
 
yelloeyes said:
That smell makes me nauseous every time I open my case. I have to put my Carved and Pegasus in a ziploc baggie because it smells so bad..
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I’ve actually gotten used to it, but yea at first I thought I’d gotten a bad batch. I think someone said it’s the L-carnitine? Idk, but shortly after I pin I can taste it
 
fetefille said:
Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.
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Yes, even injected 2 shots.
It smells like nothing, and its same liquid / same viscous like water.
I feel also after injection nothing nor I feel diffrent
 
fetefille said:
I’ve actually gotten used to it, but yea at first I thought I’d gotten a bad batch. I think someone said it’s the L-carnitine? Idk, but shortly after I pin I can taste it
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My suspicions regarding taste fall on arginine since I noticed it both from Lipo and another amino that contains arginine. Meanwhile did not notice any taste from just carnitine or yet another amino with carnitine but not arginine. Alas, our palates may be different.

I also have not noticed any particular smell to the Lipo, nor that it was noticeably more viscous than other mixes or peptides, except for l-carnitine by itself which is quite thick and takes a bit of patience to draw up through a 29g needle. Having said all that I am talking about pricey EU mixes (Lipo formulation is slightly different) and I haven't yet purchased any from the beloved grey subjects of this forum.

Sheldor said:
Yes, even injected 2 shots.
It smells like nothing, and its same liquid / same viscous like water.
I feel also after injection nothing nor I feel diffrent
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Right, the Lipo I'm used to has an immediate effect that I don't find very pleasant, definitely noticeable. I'm not a big fan of Lipo to be honest after 3 or 4 vials and will stick to a different mix.

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Received an order from TFC today although it's just a single peptide that I have not tried before and I doubt will have any acute effect. And for now I am at a stage of trusting annecdotal feedback instead of splashing out for testing myself. Went with TFC last second as the peptide was out of stock elsewhere, and feedback seemed positive enough. Arrived quickly and packaged professionally.
 
fetefille said:
Have you cracked open a vial yet? It usually has this odd “fishy” (for lack of a better word) smell, sometimes “vitamin-y.” It should have a smell is what I’m saying. Also, it’s thicker/more viscous like aminos tend to be.
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🤣 So true! I dropped a vial and it shattered. I was worried about the smell never leaving my kitchen. Glutathione stinks too, but it’s a sulfur odor.
 
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