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If you’re taking AAS you need to be on an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole. Especially if you’re even slightly overweight. Otherwise you’re getting fat and you’ll grow breasts. Also it will hurt your muscle growth

Also give blood to lower your hemocrit. Once every 4 months will do it. .
Estrogen is cardioprotective and neuroprotective, as well as being anabolic itself. Plenty of overweight people aromatize at lower rates than skinny people - fat cells will aromatize more as a general rule, but genetic variance on aromatization rates is huge. Many of the most informed doctors will have you take an AI based on symptoms rather than blanket prescribing it. Crashing your estrogen is an awful experience and keeping it artificially low limits the beneficial effects that estrogen provides.

Blood donation is a poor substitute for cardio and upping your hydration. Bodies adapt to regular blood donation and increase RBC production, and hematocrit and rbc levels bounce back quickly in general.
 
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Estrogen is cardioprotective and neuroprotective, as well as being anabolic itself. Plenty of overweight people aromatize at lower rates than skinny people - fat cells will aromatize more as a general rule, but genetic variance on aromatization rates is huge. Many of the most informed doctors will have you take an AI based on symptoms rather than blanket prescribing it. Crashing your estrogen is an awful experience and keeping it artificially low limits the beneficial effects that estrogen provides.

Blood donation is a poor substitute for cardio and upping your hydration. Bodies adapt to regular blood donation and increase RBC production, and in genera hematocrit and rbc levels bounce back quickly in general.
Some of the best advice I have ever heard right here. Awesome knowledge.
 
I received 12 felonies. 9 for doctor shopping and 3 for trafficking. The most fucked up part is that the police said there was no evidence of buying or selling. I only got trafficking because they weigh the pills not count them. I was an addict because a doctor put me on oxycontin at 19 after a car accident. He said it would let me live a normal life. I had like 14 surgeries in 5 yrs and still need a few more. When I tried to stop the pain was so bad and i wouldn't get sick af. I truly understand from first hand experience how the opioid epidemic got started.
As do I. My city is still ravaged by the opioid epidemic. Glad to be on the other side. Proud of you if you are doing well. I work in a jail and see how bad the situation still is. It’s not getting any better out there. Stay on the right track.
 
If you’re taking AAS you need to be on an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole. Especially if you’re even slightly overweight. Otherwise you’re getting fat and you’ll grow breasts. Also it will hurt your muscle growth

Also give blood to lower your hemocrit. Once every 4 months will do it. .
This is horrible advice. You should only take an AI if you need one. AI is like the last resort. Have a lot of undesirable side effects. Not to mention crashing your estrogen which is definitely not what you want to do. And like other people have mentioned a little higher estrogen will assist in muscle gains.
 
Estrogen is cardioprotective and neuroprotective, as well as being anabolic itself. Plenty of overweight people aromatize at lower rates than skinny people - fat cells will aromatize more as a general rule, but genetic variance on aromatization rates is huge. Many of the most informed doctors will have you take an AI based on symptoms rather than blanket prescribing it. Crashing your estrogen is an awful experience and keeping it artificially low limits the beneficial effects that estrogen provides.

Blood donation is a poor substitute for cardio and upping your hydration. Bodies adapt to regular blood donation and increase RBC production, and hematocrit and rbc levels bounce back quickly in general.


As somebody who is on T replacement let me tell you how you do it. Yes you should use the AI to treat symptoms… BUT you also will want to take dose weekly regularly. And of course you monitor your estrogen , test and free test levels with regular blood work. If you’re taking a decent size dose of steroids , you’ll make PLENTY of estrogen so using AI just keeps it normal , not crashed. And you WILL crash your estrogen while the trying to get your dose dialed in. It’s just gonna happen. And yes it sucks. You’ll also get too much E at some point and have symptoms ( feeling emotional , loss of erection /
Libido , sore nipples , etc ).

Blood donation isn’t supposed to be a substitute for lifestyle changes. But it’s really necessary if you’re getting higher hematocrit levels. I have to donate a few times a YEAR to keep mine down. My doctor prescribed donation 1x a month IF needed. But in practice I’ve had normal levels 2-3 months following donation. Sometimes longer. So , at least for me , levels don’t bounce back all that fast. They do probably get to “ normal “ pretty fast. It just takes them a long time to get to “ high” in fact I had to have the dr change my script cuz I was going in too often to donate and having levels lower than the number he wrote down , but still safe to donate. It was annoying to have to make an appt and then get sent home. So now I just donate anyway and unusually have normal or slightly elevated on my blood work depending on how long I go.

The fact is , your hormones are complex. Doing any long term steroids without getting labs is asking for trouble.

And i should have mentioned you should be using HCG to keep yourself fertile and to keep your testicles healthy. You’ll get atrophy long term if you don’t.

As for this being bad advice , the dr I’m seeing works at a teaching hospital and is pretty respected. It’s advice from him. Of course it’s specific to me. I don’t recommend taking male hormones without a dr involved.
 
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As somebody who is on T replacement let me tell you how you do it. Yes you should use the AI to treat symptoms… BUT you also will want to take dose weekly regularly. And of course you monitor your estrogen , test and free test levels with regular blood work. If you’re taking a decent size dose of steroids , you’ll make PLENTY of estrogen so using AI just keeps it normal , not crashed. And you WILL crash your estrogen while the trying to get your dose dialed in. It’s just gonna happen. And yes it sucks. You’ll also get too much E at some point and have symptoms ( feeling emotional , loss of erection /
Libido , sore nipples , etc ).

Blood donation isn’t supposed to be a substitute for lifestyle changes. But it’s really necessary if you’re getting higher hematocrit levels. I have to donate a few times a YEAR to keep mine down. My doctor prescribed donation 1x a month IF needed. But in practice I’ve had normal levels 2-3 months following donation. Sometimes longer. So , at least for me , levels don’t bounce back all that fast. They do probably get to “ normal “ pretty fast. It just takes them a long time to get to “ high” in fact I had to have the dr change my script cuz I was going in too often to donate and having levels lower than the number he wrote down , but still safe to donate. It was annoying to have to make an appt and then get sent home. So now I just donate anyway and unusually have normal or slightly elevated on my blood work depending on how long I go.

The fact is , your hormones are complex. Doing any long term steroids without getting labs is asking for trouble.

And i should have mentioned you should be using HCG to keep yourself fertile and to keep your testicles healthy. You’ll get atrophy long term if you don’t.

As for this being bad advice , the dr I’m seeing works at a teaching hospital and is pretty respected. It’s advice from him. Of course it’s specific to me. I don’t recommend taking male hormones without a dr involved.
And I'm on TRT being managed by people who have specialized in it since before it became popular. That doesn't mean that I'm a good source of information.

I do not take an AI on a regular dose (I did try some with Primo for two weeks but it increase my RHR too much for me to worry about it at the levels I was using - fine for a cycle, but not worth the tiny bit of anabolism at low levels long term) and have no issues with any high estrogen symptoms, nor have I crashed my e2.

Glad the blood donations are working for you. For many they don't make significant improvements compared to managing fluid intake and cardio.

HCG increases the difficulty in managing e2 so I would say only take it if you actually care about fertility and ball size. I don't, so I'm skipping it. Majority of people (but not all, so it is still a risk) can go on HCG later and get all the same benefits, balls return to their former size, good sperm motility, etc.
 
As do I. My city is still ravaged by the opioid epidemic. Glad to be on the other side. Proud of you if you are doing well. I work in a jail and see how bad the situation still is. It’s not getting any better out there. Stay on the right track.
Thank you. I plan on it. ONE DAY AT A TIME!
 
And I'm on TRT being managed by people who have specialized in it since before it became popular. That doesn't mean that I'm a good source of information.

I do not take an AI on a regular dose (I did try some with Primo for two weeks but it increase my RHR too much for me to worry about it at the levels I was using - fine for a cycle, but not worth the tiny bit of anabolism at low levels long term) and have no issues with any high estrogen symptoms, nor have I crashed my e2.

Glad the blood donations are working for you. For many they don't make significant improvements compared to managing fluid intake and cardio.

HCG increases the difficulty in managing e2 so I would say only take it if you actually care about fertility and ball size. I don't, so I'm skipping it. Majority of people (but not all, so it is still a risk) can go on HCG later and get all the same benefits, balls return to their former size, good sperm motility, etc.

“Regular dose “ is kinda weird. I get a script for AI. But I kinda learned to “ feel” my levels. Of course testing is a big part of that. I take a pill every week or every other week depending on how my symptoms are. I can take up to 3 a week , if I follow the script. I take a fairly low dose and anastrozole has a half life of 2 days. So I’m never not making E. And I take 2 shots of T a week plus a shot of HCG.

As I’ve lost weight I’m finding a reduction in the need for ai. And I’m probably going to lower my T dose in june when I have more labs and a dr visit.
 
At 10 weeks, the men given 600 mg/week of testosterone enanthate who did not exercise had put on more muscle mass than the men who were not on testosterone and who did exercise.”

And not too bad regarding side effects, considering a study for 26 weeks non-stop (though at a much lower dose):


Serum DHT and estradiol concentrations remain stable with few fluctuations after SC injections of testosterone enanthate...

In a large study that used an SC autoinjector to administer weekly doses of testosterone enanthate (50-100 mg/week) for 26 weeks, 87 of 133 participants experienced a treatment-emergent adverse event (an adverse event that started or worsened after the first dose) during the study (29). The majority of these events were mild to moderate, although 5 patients experienced severe events. Three patients developed erythrocytosis that resulted in their discontinuation from the study. In a similar study by the same investigators in 150 hypogonadal men, 125 participants experienced a treatment-emergent adverse event, with 30 discontinuing therapy as a result of these events.

The most frequent events were erythrocytosis (21 men; 7 discontinued), hypertension (19 men; 1 discontinued), and increase in serum prostate-specific antigen of 1.4 ng/mL or greater from baseline (18 men; 13 discontinued). Though erythrocytosis and increase in prostate-specific antigen levels are known adverse effects of testosterone therapy (1), the incidences of such events after SC administration appear to be higher than those reported in studies of transdermal testosterone.

Because studies of SC testosterone therapy are limited, this needs to be verified in future studies. As for hypertension, approximately half of the participants had a history of hypertension at enrollment, and increases in systolic and diastolic blood pressures during testosterone therapy were considered to be of small magnitude (4.1 mm Hg for systolic and 1.4 mm Hg for diastolic blood pressure) (27); the implications of these changes on cardiovascular risk remain unclear.

Regarding PSA going up, there are various supplements that can help, including pumpkin seed oil, which is also a source of omega-3s. Another one is pygeum, which may also be good for kidney health.
 
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And not too bad regarding side effects, considering a study for 26 weeks non-stop (though at a much lower dose):
For as well studied as it is, Testosterone is tough to find solid guidance on. I recently learned that different countries have different ideas of what the “normal” range is. The US says 300-1,000 is normal, while apparently Europe says 250-836 is normal. Personally, the difference between 836 and 1,000 seems quite substantial to me. This is for men, of course and I suspect SOME of the motivation is to deny TRT to people. I was in the low/normal range, and a few weeks ago I started taking 200mg of Testosterone Enanthate per week. It made a difference pretty quickly. Not packing on muscle, but just overall feels and motivation. The downsides for me have been hunger, water retention, and even though my libido was plenty healthy for a 46 y/o, it has gone through the roof. Once I get my new blood work I may go up. As tempting as it is to blast 500mg a week, I could definitely see it making me want to punch holes in walls.
 
For as well studied as it is, Testosterone is tough to find solid guidance on. I recently learned that different countries have different ideas of what the “normal” range is. The US says 300-1,000 is normal, while apparently Europe says 250-836 is normal. Personally, the difference between 836 and 1,000 seems quite substantial to me. This is for men, of course and I suspect SOME of the motivation is to deny TRT to people. I was in the low/normal range, and a few weeks ago I started taking 200mg of Testosterone Enanthate per week. It made a difference pretty quickly. Not packing on muscle, but just overall feels and motivation. The downsides for me have been hunger, water retention, and even though my libido was plenty healthy for a 46 y/o, it has gone through the roof. Once I get my new blood work I may go up. As tempting as it is to blast 500mg a week, I could definitely see it making me want to punch holes in walls.
I do believe it is something I would like to try, but am hesitant to do the self-service route-
Did you go to a clinic or just lab for bloodwork?
If you don't mind me asking.
 
I do believe it is something I would like to try, but am hesitant to do the self-service route-
Did you go to a clinic or just lab for bloodwork?
If you don't mind me asking.
I had blood work done, and then bought and administered the Testosterone myself. The Department of Veterans Affairs will apparently only give TRT if you are super low. It was cheaper for me to just buy it than to use my private insurance. Maybe not the most responsible thing to do, but I feel like I am being pretty conservative with the dose and will get more blood work in about 3 months to be safe. @Airborne Daddy has stronger knowledge on this subject and was a big help to me. MESORX has a lot of information as well. Of course, some of those cats eat Testosterone as a snack, but they are committed to it.
 
I had blood work done, and then bought and administered the Testosterone myself. The Department of Veterans Affairs will apparently only give TRT if you are super low. It was cheaper for me to just buy it than to use my private insurance. Maybe not the most responsible thing to do, but I feel like I am being pretty conservative with the dose and will get more blood work in about 3 months to be safe. @Airborne Daddy has stronger knowledge on this subject and was a big help to me. MESORX has a lot of information as well. Of course, some of those cats eat Testosterone as a snack, but they are committed to it.
Several years ago, prior to some extended downtime and weight gain, I tested 400. I assume it has reduced since then and I certainly seem to be a good candidate for TRT.
I am reading up and trying to get a better understanding on all the nuance associated with the treatment, but am very interested.

Thanks for your response
 
UGL stuff is super cheap and high quality. There are sources in the source forum that also do steroids, but I personally don't feel comfortable ordering them from china. mesorx and steroidsourcetalk have US sources, and are better places to talk about steroid sourcing than here - Zippity doesn't like AAS sourcing talk.

But having a good doc or TRT clinic to help you get dialed in, manage any side effects, etc. is nice. The problem is there are far more uninformed docs and clinics than there are informed ones. Lots of doctors are basing their recommendations off very old protocols and doing stuff like 200mg once every two weeks, so you end up spending a week with very low levels. On the other side, a bunch of the clinics just give you whatever you want without giving a fuck at all about your health, etc.

I'm up to 200mg test e a week and 80mg of deca for joints. I don't respond super well to test so I am still in the reference range on 200mg. I inject twice a week, 100mg/40mg each.
 
Wondering where to start here. I’m taking low dose tirz. And I’m 5-10lb within goal weight. So I want to focus more on muscle growth and definition.
Bonus points for a good source recommendation.
Would like to order and get going asap! Thanks!
For context im 43 yrs old. 6'1 and was 270+ lbs after a ton of depression. test levels where down to below 100. bp was 179 over 122. It was bad. Im now about 225-235 and 12% bf .I used tirzepetide along with ostarine and or acp105. Those are on the more mild sarm side of things. Ive recently been using 5amino 1mq and slupp332 . Each one of these addresses unique areas. I do think our of everything i mentioned ostarine even in low doses can really help lean muscle development which supports weight loss. It needs to be said, ostarine is a sarm and can be suppressive on testosterone levels as well as on the kidneys so youd want to have enclo and vitamins like milk thistle and NAC along with it.so i think its important always to get bloodwork done. Slupp332 is not a sarm and its not a peptide but it does work amazing with glps. It supports lean muscle and somehow creates a lot of clean energy for the gym. There is a new compound called bam15.....I have yet to hear from anyone whos actually used it and gotten bloodwork done while useing it. If you are looking for strictly a peptide to stack with your glp...cjc1295 no dac/ipamorelin has proven to be very helpful in building lean muscle and helping to burn fat. If you want a peptide thats just about burning visceral fat; tesamorelin 2mgs a day 5 days on 2 days off for 3 months. Oddly both will have some water retention so youll need to be prepared you may feel like you arent losing the weigh; trust me you will be losing fat. Hope this is helpful
 
For what it's worth. Im an acupuncturist by trade. So my medical knowledge is based on whoo whoo taoist theory. That being said, when I stick a needle in a patient that has an unexpected positive result, I will chatgpt it. I created a chinese medicine chatgot, and it explains the result in a way I never thought about or it throws out some obscure ancient theory that I totally forgot. I'm amazed at it's growth over time.
 
What's your Ostarine dose and protocol?
I personally like 20mgs a day 8-10weeks. enclo starting 6mgs every other day at week 5 for me. I think from a health perspective using it at 10mgs a day would be better and stop the muscle waisting that glps can lead to.. Even 5mgs a day would help maintain lean muscle on a caloric defeciet. There is a study being done as we speak with this exact protocol
 
I personally like 20mgs a day 8-10weeks. enclo starting 6mgs every other day at week 5 for me. I think from a health perspective using it at 10mgs a day would be better and stop the muscle waisting that glps can lead to.. Even 5mgs a day would help maintain lean muscle on a caloric defeciet. There is a study being done as we speak with this exact protocol
I'm in the latter camp, currently taking 6mg per day with no set end date.
 
For context im 43 yrs old. 6'1 and was 270+ lbs after a ton of depression. test levels where down to below 100. bp was 179 over 122. It was bad. Im now about 225-235 and 12% bf .I used tirzepetide along with ostarine and or acp105. Those are on the more mild sarm side of things. Ive recently been using 5amino 1mq and slupp332 . Each one of these addresses unique areas. I do think our of everything i mentioned ostarine even in low doses can really help lean muscle development which supports weight loss. It needs to be said, ostarine is a sarm and can be suppressive on testosterone levels as well as on the kidneys so youd want to have enclo and vitamins like milk thistle and NAC along with it.so i think its important always to get bloodwork done. Slupp332 is not a sarm and its not a peptide but it does work amazing with glps. It supports lean muscle and somehow creates a lot of clean energy for the gym. There is a new compound called bam15.....I have yet to hear from anyone whos actually used it and gotten bloodwork done while useing it. If you are looking for strictly a peptide to stack with your glp...cjc1295 no dac/ipamorelin has proven to be very helpful in building lean muscle and helping to burn fat. If you want a peptide thats just about burning visceral fat; tesamorelin 2mgs a day 5 days on 2 days off for 3 months. Oddly both will have some water retention so youll need to be prepared you may feel like you arent losing the weigh; trust me you will be losing fat. Hope this is helpful
Is there any reason to think Tesamorelin/ Ipamorelin wouldn't have the same effects on muscle than CJC? If GH goes up, I don't think it matters.
 
Is there any reason to think Tesamorelin/ Ipamorelin wouldn't have the same effects on muscle than CJC? If GH goes up, I don't think it matters.
From my experience, tesa focuses more on visceral fat (internal around oragans) and cjc tends to help lean muscle development. Thats what ive read and experienced myself.
 
From my experience, tesa focuses more on visceral fat (internal around oragans) and cjc tends to help lean muscle development. Thats what ive read and experienced myself.
And by what mechanism of action could that possibly happen? They are both GHRH analogs.
 
Honestly, I actually dont know the answer to this. Tesa is basically generic engrifta . It certainly has different effects on my body. Ill need to research this more. What your saying makes sence im just not certain why they would do two different things
 

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