Congress introduce bill to restrict manufacture of GLP1s.

[RadicalCrimson]

I just saw a single vial of T100 for $268.
I just did a group buy of Uther T100 for $220. For 10 vials.
That's 12 times less.

Update: The email said $268, but the website says $291.
$218.25 if you buy 3+, though. What a bargain!

 

[Calm Logic]

I just did a group buy of Uther T100 for $220. For 10 vials.
That's 12 times less.

Yes, at PWGrove for $205 plus $15 flat shipping. It will be in small 3 mL vials like everything else.

 

[pavlovs]

That is practically free compared to reta kits at Cain's new sister site. The larger-dose kit has a $1,000 markup compared to Nexaph ($850 for 48-mg kit at Nexaph vs. $1850 at EZPeptides):

I'm pretty impressed with Grey Axis. Right now they have a kit of R30 for 310 dollars. That's a better deal that Nexaph's R24 preorder for 300. Grey also has an R50 kit for 498.00. Cain and his sister site are probably selling plenty though, those prices wouldn't be so high if people weren't paying them.

 

[Calm Logic]

I'm pretty impressed with Grey Axis. Right now they have a kit of R30 for 310 dollars. That's a better deal that Nexaph's R24 preorder for 300. Grey also has an R50 kit for 498.00. Cain and his sister site are probably selling plenty though, those prices wouldn't be so high if people weren't paying them.

$1+ a gram for reta is a good way to support a vendor.

 

[d0se1]

I got an email from Skye today. Looks like several are throwing in the towel.

 

[Calm Logic]

They seem to be really over-reacting.

Not knowing anything, I would venture that sales were already dropping (for the overpriced/ripoff resellers), so risk tolerance was lessening. Or someone they all know was busted or some other insider info.

 

[tubby]

They seem to be really over-reacting.

Not knowing anything, I would venture that sales were already dropping, so risk tolerance was lessening. Or someone they all know was busted or some other insider info.

I mean there are two ways the soon to be new law plays out:
Either it's written narrowly such that compounding pharmacies only get in trouble if they sell "counterfeit" products that are fully reconstituted OR they decide that the law applies to anyone selling "counterfeit" GLP1-related products and nail domestic sellers with running an unlicensed pharmacy (and whatever additional charges might apply there) while they're at it.

If I was in their shoes I wouldn't want to take the gamble on which way it plays out. Not sure how old you are, but it feels strangely reminiscent of back in the day when the RIAA went after Napster (and other file sharing services).

If 5% to 10% of users are going through non-pharma channels, they probably wouldn't care, but when it's gotten to the point where Tiktok users are actively encouraging Lilly's potential customer base to buy elsewhere, pharma is going to put their full weight behind crushing the non-official US supply chain to whatever extent they're able to.

 

[Calm Logic]

If I was in their shoes I wouldn't want to take the gamble on which way it plays out. Not sure how old you are, but it feels strangely reminiscent of back in the day when the RIAA went after Napster (and other file sharing services).

If 5% to 10% of users are going through non-pharma channels, they probably wouldn't care, but when it's gotten to the point where Tiktok users are actively encouraging Lilly's potential customer base to buy elsewhere, pharma is going to put their full weight behind crushing the non-official US supply chain to whatever extent they're able to.

They have always been taking risks, so why stop exactly now? As others have said here and elsewhere, first, there has to be a law. Then it has to be implemented. Congress is slow, the FDA is underfunded, etc. So there is more to the story.

Selling sema at $10 a mg is sleazy anyway (as with Kimera Chems for a vial of sema 5 mg), so good riddance, though GLPs will be back by some of these guys who are just temporarily on the bangwagon to create marketing buzz/urgency.

These guys are all with public websites, so Cain will just get more business in the meantime, including maybe even his EZPeptides site with reta 48-mg kits for over $1800. Until Cain ever gets busted, wisely retires, or stops having a very public website, Cain seems invincible, though so did Napster. But one way the Napster situation was different was that every young person was using it.

 

[Waclive]

I'm not even using a GLP-1 yet and this makes me want to buy and hold on to a large supply right now.

 

[Calm Logic]

For the most part, it's a fictional crisis to extract more from the vulnerable by the greediest people in grey:



It's an excuse to increase demand and temporarily lower prices. More people are becoming informed that these vendors charge same/more than some newbie-friendly compounding pharmacies.

Sooner than later, orfoglipron pills by Elli Lilly will be out for $150 per month self-pay, which is another stressor for these sleazy vendors:

 

[Jellybelly54]

Here is the six page bill. Just another bill to protect Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk. Send a message to your congressman asking them to vote against it. That’s all you can do .

https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/yakym.house.gov/uploads/2025/12/SAFE-Drug-Act-Final-Bill-Text.pdf

 

[Waclive]

Here is the six page bill. Just another bill to protect Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk. Send a message to your congressman asking them to vote against it. That’s all you can do .

https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/yakym.house.gov/uploads/2025/12/SAFE-Drug-Act-Final-Bill-Text.pdf

Sourcing alternatively is probably the most effective thing to do, sadly. Does anyone remember when congress worked for the people? Meh, me either.

 

[keangkong]

Have you guys seen the below video on this?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYpPTDqeLM&t=13s


https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-she...-favored-nation-pricing-to-american-patients/

My quick read of the proposed bill mentioned in this thread is that it only applies to compounding pharmacies that are selling their stuff out of state. It may be mean that people who get compounded GLP-1 drugs will have to get them in-state.

 

[yrrdead]

Sourcing alternatively is probably the most effective thing to do, sadly. Does anyone remember when congress worked for the people? Meh, me either.

Well you work for who pays you , same with congress. Unfortunately their paycheck from the people is dwarfed by lobbying/corporate dollars.

Don't worry as Citizens United showed us , Corporations are people too.

 

[Waclive]

Well you work for who pays you , same with congress. Unfortunately their paycheck from the people is dwarfed by lobbying/corporate dollars.

Don't worry as Citizens United showed us , Corporations are people too.

The good ole American conflict of interest.

 

[Calm Logic]

A sign that some of this (manufactured) crisis is having real effects is that two relatively unknown Chinese vendors that sell mostly to US resellers are not taking orders until March, after the Chinese New Year (Feb 17 - March 3).

In somewhat related news, the former owners of Paradigm Peptides plead guilty a week ago. The biggest issue was duping people by selling SARMs but giving a controlled substance, testosterone, instead.

United States v. Matthew Kawa

www.justice.gov

"Federal investigators also believe that the SARM, hCG, and peptide products sold by Paradigm Peptides were new drugs unapproved by the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”).

 

[PackmanJohnny]

A sign that some of this (manufactured) crisis is having real effects is that two relatively unknown Chinese vendors that sell mostly to US resellers are not taking orders until March, after the Chinese New Year (Feb 17 - March 3).

In somewhat related news, the former owners of Paradigm Peptides plead guilty a week ago. The biggest issue was duping people by selling SARMs but giving a controlled substance, testosterone, instead.

United States v. Matthew Kawa

www.justice.gov

"Federal investigators also believe that the SARM, hCG, and peptide products sold by Paradigm Peptides were new drugs unapproved by the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”).

This seems counterintuitive, but maybe im underestimating how slimy and/or stupid some people are.

unless maybe theres some unknown backchannel where he was actually selling test and the customers knew it but they masked transctions by calling them 'SARMs'

 

[Calm Logic]

We never underestimate stupidity here, haha.

 

[RuggerPanda]

I plan on hoarding a bit after I get my tax refund. Between inflation, higher demand, tarrifs, increased customs pressure... prices are going up.

I always feel more comfortable when I have a stockpile of peptides but so far seems that there has been more competition recently and the price of most peptides have dropped considerable the past 3-4 months. I just paid 40% less than I did for Reta just 3 months ago. So many packages crossing the border every day it's hard for customs to take a dent out of it and still not the drugs they are most focused on.

 

[Calm Logic]

so far seems that there has been more competition recently and the price of most peptides have dropped considerable the past 3-4 months.

Regarding all the competition:

1. Chinese vendors on here and elsewhere
2. Vendors at websites (e.g. Nexaph, UtherPep, GXResearch)
3. American resellers (including GBs) on TG/Discord and elsewhere
4. B/S/T (individuals reselling at TG/Discord)
5. Big Pharma when orforglipron is $150 a month

 

[Habibibi]

I remember when 325 was a good deal for R30. Now, anything north of 200 feels like a ripoff.

 

[PAPoots]

Who has reta 30 at 200? I'm seeing prices around 270.

 

[Calm Logic]

Going on memory:

J5 has R40 for $220.

PWG had Uther R20 for $135 before they sold out.

 

[Habibibi]

Who has reta 30 at 200? I'm seeing prices around 270.

A fair amount : QST, ABC, qsc and a few more

 

[Calm Logic]

ERP US warehouse but requires crypto:



Shipping is only $20.