Congress introduce bill to restrict manufacture of GLP1s.

They seem to be really over-reacting.

Not knowing anything, I would venture that sales were already dropping (for the overpriced/ripoff resellers), so risk tolerance was lessening. Or someone they all know was busted or some other insider info.
 
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Calm Logic said:
They seem to be really over-reacting.

Not knowing anything, I would venture that sales were already dropping, so risk tolerance was lessening. Or someone they all know was busted or some other insider info.
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I mean there are two ways the soon to be new law plays out:
Either it's written narrowly such that compounding pharmacies only get in trouble if they sell "counterfeit" products that are fully reconstituted OR they decide that the law applies to anyone selling "counterfeit" GLP1-related products and nail domestic sellers with running an unlicensed pharmacy (and whatever additional charges might apply there) while they're at it.

If I was in their shoes I wouldn't want to take the gamble on which way it plays out. Not sure how old you are, but it feels strangely reminiscent of back in the day when the RIAA went after Napster (and other file sharing services).

If 5% to 10% of users are going through non-pharma channels, they probably wouldn't care, but when it's gotten to the point where Tiktok users are actively encouraging Lilly's potential customer base to buy elsewhere, pharma is going to put their full weight behind crushing the non-official US supply chain to whatever extent they're able to.
 
tubby said:
If I was in their shoes I wouldn't want to take the gamble on which way it plays out. Not sure how old you are, but it feels strangely reminiscent of back in the day when the RIAA went after Napster (and other file sharing services).

If 5% to 10% of users are going through non-pharma channels, they probably wouldn't care, but when it's gotten to the point where Tiktok users are actively encouraging Lilly's potential customer base to buy elsewhere, pharma is going to put their full weight behind crushing the non-official US supply chain to whatever extent they're able to.
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They have always been taking risks, so why stop exactly now? As others have said here and elsewhere, first, there has to be a law. Then it has to be implemented. Congress is slow, the FDA is underfunded, etc. So there is more to the story.

Selling sema at $10 a mg is sleazy anyway (as with Kimera Chems for a vial of sema 5 mg), so good riddance, though GLPs will be back by some of these guys who are just temporarily on the bangwagon to create marketing buzz/urgency.

These guys are all with public websites, so Cain will just get more business in the meantime, including maybe even his EZPeptides site with reta 48-mg kits for over $1800. Until Cain ever gets busted, wisely retires, or stops having a very public website, Cain seems invincible, though so did Napster. But one way the Napster situation was different was that every young person was using it.
 
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For the most part, it's a fictional crisis to extract more from the vulnerable by the greediest people in grey:

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It's an excuse to increase demand and temporarily lower prices. More people are becoming informed that these vendors charge same/more than some newbie-friendly compounding pharmacies.

Sooner than later, orfoglipron pills by Elli Lilly will be out for $150 per month self-pay, which is another stressor for these sleazy vendors:

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Waclive said:
Sourcing alternatively is probably the most effective thing to do, sadly. Does anyone remember when congress worked for the people? Meh, me either.
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Well you work for who pays you , same with congress. Unfortunately their paycheck from the people is dwarfed by lobbying/corporate dollars.

Don't worry as Citizens United showed us , Corporations are people too.
 
A sign that some of this (manufactured) crisis is having real effects is that two relatively unknown Chinese vendors that sell mostly to US resellers are not taking orders until March, after the Chinese New Year (Feb 17 - March 3).

In somewhat related news, the former owners of Paradigm Peptides plead guilty a week ago. The biggest issue was duping people by selling SARMs but giving a controlled substance, testosterone, instead.

www.justice.gov

United States v. Matthew Kawa

www.justice.gov www.justice.gov

"Federal investigators also believe that the SARM, hCG, and peptide products sold by Paradigm Peptides were new drugs unapproved by the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”).
 
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Calm Logic said:
A sign that some of this (manufactured) crisis is having real effects is that two relatively unknown Chinese vendors that sell mostly to US resellers are not taking orders until March, after the Chinese New Year (Feb 17 - March 3).

In somewhat related news, the former owners of Paradigm Peptides plead guilty a week ago. The biggest issue was duping people by selling SARMs but giving a controlled substance, testosterone, instead.

www.justice.gov

United States v. Matthew Kawa

www.justice.gov www.justice.gov

"Federal investigators also believe that the SARM, hCG, and peptide products sold by Paradigm Peptides were new drugs unapproved by the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”).
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This seems counterintuitive, but maybe im underestimating how slimy and/or stupid some people are.

unless maybe theres some unknown backchannel where he was actually selling test and the customers knew it but they masked transctions by calling them 'SARMs'
 
PAPoots said:
I plan on hoarding a bit after I get my tax refund. Between inflation, higher demand, tarrifs, increased customs pressure... prices are going up.
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I always feel more comfortable when I have a stockpile of peptides but so far seems that there has been more competition recently and the price of most peptides have dropped considerable the past 3-4 months. I just paid 40% less than I did for Reta just 3 months ago. So many packages crossing the border every day it's hard for customs to take a dent out of it and still not the drugs they are most focused on.
 
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so far seems that there has been more competition recently and the price of most peptides have dropped considerable the past 3-4 months.
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Regarding all the competition:

1. Chinese vendors on here and elsewhere
2. American resellers (including GBs) on TG/Discord and elsewhere
3. B/S/T (individuals reselling at TG/Discord)
4. Big Pharma when orforglipron is $150 a month
 
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Going on memory:

J5 has R40 for $220.

PWG had Uther R20 for $135 before they sold out.
 
MsGizmo said:
Well ... I only said I would consider it 😉

As for the supply ... they could totally do it. The only real choke point on the supply chain was the plastic injection pens. Easily solved by giving us syringes and the vials. Lilly is already doing that.
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As I said on this website if you have insurance Semeglutie is 25 a month with the cuopon and they make you work for it and Zeobound is being dropped a lot because it's so expensive
 
dogmom said:
Hopefully, with new drugs on the horizon that will be better than even reta, authorities won't care in a few years to enforce any particular ban. I just think at this point there will always be something medical that will help with weight loss and maintenance.
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Wholeheartedly agree we are looking at a future of medication-supoorted weight management. Imagine never having lived in a world without such support.
 
Federal investigators also believe that ... peptide products sold by Paradigm Peptides were new drugs unapproved by the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”).
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People seem to be missing the most important part of this press release. Yes, these guys were easy pickings to make an example of because of the shady AAS stuff they had going on, but by including the part about 'other peptide products' (ie. glp's) the FDA kind of tipped their hand about how they intend to go after less shady companies slinging glp's on American soil starting next year. By already having set a precedent with Paradigm, it'll make it easier for them to apply it to other companies. They always go after the low hanging fruit first to set a precedent with a novel legal theory. This is the canary in the coal mine.

I've seen videos from several people in the community talking about how some of these companies got a tap on the shoulder from their lawyers having heard about what is about to come down the pike and that's why they're discontinuing selling glps. It's not to push promos. You couldn't pay me enough to sell a single vial of any peptide.

As far as getting stuff from China I read a post awhile ago from someone who had a friend in customs talking about how humans have been training AI to detect contraband during packages scans and while I'm sure they won't get them all, it could be devastating for the gray in the next few years. I believe the guy had said they wanted it up and running in full by mid to late 2026.
 
fittide said:
People seem to be missing the most important part of this press release. Yes, these guys were easy pickings to make an example of because of the shady AAS stuff they had going on, but by including the part about 'other peptide products' (ie. glp's) the FDA kind of tipped their hand about how they intend to go after less shady companies slinging glp's on American soil starting next year. By already having set a precedent with Paradigm, it'll make it easier for them to apply it to other companies. They always go after the low hanging fruit first to set a precedent with a novel legal theory. This is the canary in the coal mine.

I've seen videos from several people in the community talking about how some of these companies got a tap on the shoulder from their lawyers having heard about what is about to come down the pike and that's why they're discontinuing selling glps. It's not to push promos. You couldn't pay me enough to sell a single vial of any peptide.

As far as getting stuff from China I read a post awhile ago from someone who had a friend in customs talking about how humans have been training AI to detect contraband during packages scans and while I'm sure they won't get them all, it could be devastating for the gray in the next few years. I believe the guy had said they wanted it up and running in full by mid to late 2026.
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There is nothing novel at all about the FDA (and DEA and IRS) winning federal criminal cases over peptide distribution and related crimes like money laundering.

It is uncommon though, especially relative to the large number of distributors/vendors openly advertising on search engines and social platforms.

And I agree they went for the lowest hanging fruit this time. So maybe less wrist slapping this time regarding probation time, etc. But the fines are often/usually huge.
 
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As far as getting stuff from China I read a post awhile ago from someone who had a friend in customs talking about how humans have been training AI to detect contraband during packages scans
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I really don't need to stockpile any more...
 
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That's an old list. I don't think I'd trust prices on a list over a month old. Is that vendor in the glp1 list of vendors?
I think a competent vendor would post their prices monthly. Even if all they do is change the date and repost.
I usually wait to order until I have enough in my cart to get free shipping. The last two vendor I went through, I lost out on free shipping because their price list was out of date and they were out of stock.
 
PAPoots said:
That's an old list. I don't think I'd trust prices on a list over a month old. Is that vendor in the glp1 list of vendors?
I think a competent vendor would post their prices monthly. Even if all they do is change the date and repost.
I usually wait to order until I have enough in my cart to get free shipping. The last two vendor I went through, I lost out on free shipping because their price list was out of date and they were out of stock.
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Last week I made a large order with LN. That price list was valid although I did not order any Reta. This is my first order with them. I have received tracking information already. For me the low prices made paying the shipping a no-brainer.
 
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