GB's that aren't actually GB's - Carry the Torch!

[Broken Chef]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

 

[Ms_Ery]

Thanks for explaining. 🙂

 

[geoguy78]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

Haha I saw you talking about this on a certain Discord server earlier. They definitely aren't having a GB, and not a very impressive offering right now in my opinion.

 

[Drexeldragon216]

Great post! Appreciate all that info. Still working to find my way into one of the GB servers but I’m not in a rush. I haven’t even figured crypto out yet 😐

 

[moonpies4misfits]

Thanks for this! I'm new to the world of GLP-1s and peptides as a whole. Started my first Tirz vial from Skye a little over a month ago and have yet to participate in a GB. I didn't realize that part about the testing being included so that definitely makes me feel better about participating in one in the future.

If anyone feels like making a little infographic about GB vs Promo I'll gladly paste it anywhere I see it may be needed.

 

[Garbo]

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years.

Your entire post was so valuable; it was generous of you to spend the time writing it. This particular part above, though, really got to me. It is so true, so perceptive and so perfectly stated. Thank you for what you are trying to do for this community. 🫶🏻

 

[Drey77]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

Yes thank you for this! The first few “GB” discords I joined I quickly realized it was just venders running them with no real benefit or savings to be had so I backed out and just bought and tested on my own. I’m still working my way on finding some these real GB’s to join but I am looking forward to when I do!

 

[Broken Chef]

I am relieved to see that was so well received! I'm a bit of a jabberjaw and sometimes get into TMI territory. I hesitate to say certain things here because there are things that are kind of hush hush. But on the other hand, I know what it was like walking in the door. Also want to protect this precious community. It's worth fighting for. Thanks for all the feedback!

 

[maiconph]

How can I find a legitimate GB group?So far, I've made a purchase with Ampure, which I'm waiting to receive, and another one through Annie's "GB" via GYC.For example, can I say that Annie's GB is a legitimate GB?What are the current prices considered cheap for tirz?

 

[Mrpmrp]

I agree this place could get crowded once shortage ends. I’ve made my way to some discord servers but I don’t think they are real GB’s as much as just a vendor interface.

Just trying to push ahead and learn/find the right places.

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

How can I find a legitimate GB group?So far, I've made a purchase with Ampure, which I'm waiting to receive, and another one through Annie's "GB" via GYC.For example, can I say that Annie's GB is a legitimate GB?What are the current prices considered cheap for tirz?

QSC just posted their Tirz GB. So look up new posts on here. Perfect timing for you.

 

[G Vice]

Agree....the Labor Day QSC GB promo for Tirz 30 is a very good deal.

 

[RedSkip]

How many would still test independently knowing an independent vial will be shipped to Jano?

 

[dionysos]

@Broken Chef @MrsRoper_1977 @G Vice @Mrpmrp
The Group Buy Devil is definitely in the Promo Details!
Vendors are quite deliberately blurring the merchandising distinctions between Real Group Buys, Group Buys so-called, and Promos.
Example: QSC opening an accurately named, competitive priced and WELCOME Discord PROMO channel while touting it as a GROUP BUY on GLP1forum.com's Vendor Forum and others.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

Old timer here. I like vendor-led group buys for a couple of reasons:
- you always know who the supplier is so can evaluate reputation and risk based on past performance.
- Removes a middle man who takes a fee
- lower risk of them just taking the money and running, which is a serious concern for non-vendor gbs where you’re paying the facilitator
- your middle man is only as good as the supplier anyway, and has no actual power — you’re still at the mercy of the supplier if they choose not to honor a reship obligation unless your gb facilitator is prepared to go out of pocket to make members whole in the event of an issue

At the end of the day if a group buy is hitting those 100 unit moq prices then they’re not a group buy either, they’re a sales arm for a vendor that introduces a whole bunch of risk for not a lot of benefit.

 

[MarisWinter]

Haha I saw you talking about this on a certain Discord server earlier. They definitely aren't having a GB, and not a very impressive offering right now in my opinion.

Yes, it’s been an irritating waste of TIME. Been watching a few and HELL, it’s a Holiday! What a waste of life force. Ugh.

 

[MarisWinter]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

OK, I adore you, you UNbroken Chef!

 

[MarisWinter]

Thanks for this! I'm new to the world of GLP-1s and peptides as a whole. Started my first Tirz vial from Skye a little over a month ago and have yet to participate in a GB. I didn't realize that part about the testing being included so that definitely makes me feel better about participating in one in the future.

If anyone feels like making a little infographic about GB vs Promo I'll gladly paste it anywhere I see it may be needed.

PLEASE!

 

[MarisWinter]

How many would still test independently knowing an independent vial will be shipped to Jano?

Yes, that is complete crap! And I am not even an ‘exhausted old timer”. I find this infuriating, how can people deal with this year after year? Ugh.

 

[nurseratchit]

Just a heads up to the newer folks. You may have found your way into some GB servers pretty quickly that are hosted by vendors. They are having SALES/PROMOTIONS and calling them GB's. PLEASE do not confuse these with real GB's. A real group buy will often include free or cheap shipping (usually with a min order), post purchase testing that is organized by the buyer , NOT the vendor, and everyone gets the same price. The good group buys will not come as an open invite in this forum where dozens can just click. Getting in to a quality GB requires a bit of proving yourself, getting to know people, working your way up through the ranks (quite literally in some cases).

These promo's being wrongfully called GB's often require each person to order xx kits to get a better price (rather than everyone getting the discount), testing is either chaotic, extra, or non existent and left to the buyers to figure out on their own - no different than ordering from Amo and putting together a test group

Those who came before us have worked very hard to develop the 'Criteria" for a legit GB. It is the obligation of new members to understand what a real GB is, and not confuse it with these promotions. I fear what has been known as a GB is going to get misunderstood, diluted and the great things that come with it will go away or become nearly impossible to find.

We, as buyers, need to be holding these vendors to the high standards that our predecessors set in play. @dionysos has said it numerous times... As soon as we back off and allow low expectations, the vendors will take advantage, and the low expectations will become the norm.

This is part of the issue regarding how hard it is to find info and pry this advice out of "Old-timers". Many are exhausted from fighting for this for years. It is our duty as new members to carry the torch! Accept no substitutions!

If Compounding pharmacies are made to stop selling glp1's, this place is going to get nuts. So the people coming in now are ahead of this and need to be educated, so that when the flood gates open, you too can help direct the new people.

Don't let the greatness of a real GB get watered down to a sales blitz that comes with no perks!

End Panicked Rant.

Excellent post…can we pin this somewhere along with @ZippityDooDah's piece about group buys?? Maybe make them required reading? Even though I read Zip's post when I first came here I didn't know what a group buy was and didn't know what I didn't know yet. With all the talk of EL coming down on compounders it's easy to get caught up in the frenzy. In my impatience, I did end up making one "GB-in-name-only" purchase that I hopefully won't regret. At least I now know how to get it tested and I consider it the price of my education. I am so thankful for this forum and the 'old-timers' in this group.

 

[MarisWinter]

Old timer here. I like vendor-led group buys for a couple of reasons:
- you always know who the supplier is so can evaluate reputation and risk based on past performance.
- Removes a middle man who takes a fee
- lower risk of them just taking the money and running, which is a serious concern for non-vendor gbs where you’re paying the facilitator
- your middle man is only as good as the supplier anyway, and has no actual power — you’re still at the mercy of the supplier if they choose not to honor a reship obligation unless your gb facilitator is prepared to go out of pocket to make members whole in the event of an issue

At the end of the day if a group buy is hitting those 100 unit moq prices then they’re not a group buy either, they’re a sales arm for a vendor that introduces a whole bunch of risk for not a lot of benefit.

Thanks. thanks. all the details helps us. A LOT. People taking the time, it helps.

 

[nurseratchit]

Old timer here. I like vendor-led group buys for a couple of reasons:
- you always know who the supplier is so can evaluate reputation and risk based on past performance.
- Removes a middle man who takes a fee
- lower risk of them just taking the money and running, which is a serious concern for non-vendor gbs where you’re paying the facilitator
- your middle man is only as good as the supplier anyway, and has no actual power — you’re still at the mercy of the supplier if they choose not to honor a reship obligation unless your gb facilitator is prepared to go out of pocket to make members whole in the event of an issue

At the end of the day if a group buy is hitting those 100 unit moq prices then they’re not a group buy either, they’re a sales arm for a vendor that introduces a whole bunch of risk for not a lot of benefit.

But how can newbies know how to choose a legit vendor? For example, some experienced people seem very devoted to QSC, but I have also read about intermittent quality issues, their main rep Tracy being difficult and not always honoring obligations.

 

[geoguy78]

But how can newbies know how to choose a legit vendor? For example, some experienced people seem very devoted to QSC, but I have also read about intermittent quality issues, their main rep Tracy being difficult and not always honoring obligat

This is why I flip flopped and bought from Amo. Possible stinging vs sketch customer service? Just right now in another thread Tracy is getting called out for his "guaranteed purity" which now he's saying isn't a guarantee at all. Kind of kicking myself because QSC is undercutting Amo by $90 (maybe I'll give in on this one too...) but I just don't get the warm fuzzies

 

[nurseratchit]

@Broken Chef @MrsRoper_1977 @G Vice @Mrpmrp
The Group Buy Devil is definitely in the Promo Details!
Vendors are quite deliberately blurring the merchandising distinctions between Real Group Buys, Group Buys so-called, and Promos.
Example: QSC opening an accurately named, competitive priced and WELCOME Discord PROMO channel while touting it as a GROUP BUY on GLP1forum.com's Vendor Forum and others.
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Please explain to me how it is different from the one ASC posted last month that you somewhat promoted with your own posting? I think the answer is that they did not offer independent post-buy testing from an individual as part of the deal? Am I on the right track?

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

But how can newbies know how to choose a legit vendor? For example, some experienced people seem very devoted to QSC, but I have also read about intermittent quality issues, their main rep Tracy being difficult and not always honoring obligations.

I hear you, but that is a separate question. what I’m saying is that a group buy managed by a third party who collects the money doesn’t add an iota of safety for a newbie, it just adds the illusion of safety while in fact creating risk. The only way you’re getting full security is buying mounjaro from Walgreens, what we are doing here is as much research as we can do to evaluate the risk vs reward according to our own risk tolerance and financial means.

 

[nurseratchit]

This is why I flip flopped and bought from Amo. Possible stinging vs sketch customer service? Just right now in another thread Tracy is getting called out for his "guaranteed purity" which now he's saying isn't a guarantee at all. Kind of kicking myself because QSC is undercutting Amo by $90 (maybe I'll give in on this one too...) but I just don't get the warm fuzzies

yeah, I don't need warm fuzzies, but professionalism, honesty and consistency are required.

 

[Broken Chef]

How can I find a legitimate GB group?So far, I've made a purchase with Ampure, which I'm waiting to receive, and another one through Annie's "GB" via GYC.For example, can I say that Annie's GB is a legitimate GB?What are the current prices considered cheap for tirz?

Let me make this very clear: Annie's GYC GB is most definitely NOT a legit GB.. NOT EVEN CLOSE! It is simply a promotion where they are paying to test a vial... Eventually. That is not to say they have bad product, it's just not a GB. They demand trust, but refuse to trust others. Hard pass for this guy.

Prices vary between vendors, sales, groups, vial size, amount ordered at one time, the market, and whatever they feel like charging.

Finding a real GB requires time, proving your knowledgeable & trustworthy, talking to people, working your way up through the ranks of various places, and luck.

Due to the nature of these, I've already said more than I should, so I apologize, but that's as much as I'm willing to say. This was more about making sure people don't think of a gb as the watered down nonsense we are seeing lately.

Edit: @exploitedworkerbee makes some very good points! For me, the post-purchade 3 vial testing being handled by the facilitator and included in the price is what makes up a good portion of the value and what I'm saying separates vendor gb's from legit gb's.

And I'll just say that there are multiple "levels' of group buy facilitators. From sketchy steal your money, to, well, much better options that make you feel safe.

But it's a very valid point to make, thanks.

Also GYC just posted their newest promo and has T40 for $370. Getting someone to pay for the testing up front might be an issue, based on how that went in the first buy. And there's a minimum order $ amount.

 

[Sackett]

Let me make this very clear: Annie's GYC GB is most definitely NOT a legit GB.. NOT EVEN CLOSE! It is simply a promotion where they are paying to test a vial... Eventually. That is not to say they have bad product, it's just not a GB. They demand trust, but refuse to trust others. Hard pass for this guy.

Prices vary between vendors, sales, groups, vial size, amount ordered at one time, the market, and whatever they feel like charging.

Finding a real GB requires time, proving your knowledgeable & trustworthy, talking to people, working your way up through the ranks of various places, and luck.

Due to the nature of these, I've already said more than I should, so I apologize, but that's as much as I'm willing to say. This was more about making sure people don't think of a gb as the watered down nonsense we are seeing lately.

This is how we learn from those who have blazed the trail ahead. Chance favors the prepared mind (educated mind)

 

[Broken Chef]

I'm mostly concerned about a bunch of new people thinking that a GB requires one of the buyers to front the $ for a test, doesn't include testing at all, or relies on vendor testing, and only offers discounts if each person buys xx kits shipped to one address.

But, yeah, I can see where certain gb's could be risky and some would prefer direct vendor purchases.

There's just so much work that's gone into some of these gb's and I'm seeing a trend - 3 vendor servers now, that I know of - who are running promotions and calling them gb's.. so I don't want to see that become the expected norm.

 

[RedSkip]

I'm mostly concerned about a bunch of new people thinking that a GB requires one of the buyers to front the $ for a test, doesn't include testing at all, or relies on vendor testing, and only offers discounts if each person buys xx kits shipped to one address.

But, yeah, I can see where certain gb's could be risky and some would prefer direct vendor purchases.

There's just so much work that's gone into some of these gb's and I'm seeing a trend - 3 vendor servers now, that I know of - who are running promotions and calling them gb's.. so I don't want to see that become the expected norm.

Seems like enough folks here to initiate our own GB… or at least gauge interest for a future GB.