Go to Vendor?

[Lowkey]

Yes, but oversight/scrutiny on local compound makes it a safer bet than shooting blindly and ordering from a random vendor in China that you found on Facebook or a new board (though I'm sure there is a lot of funny business going on with the compounders too).

I'm not bashing CN manufacturers at all, they are probably better - We get our products from a manufacturer in China too, I have no reason to say the product from China is bad.

My issue is with how your initial message was phrased in a way that makes it seem like any vendor you find online has the same product you get from local compounding pharmacies. Which largely is true, but you run a higher risk of getting a bad product if you order online without knowing what you're doing.

And while the raw source is one thing, it also matters how the raws are processed. If you're trying to say the lyophilized products all come from the same place, I will have to disagree - But we can agree that there are only a few good sources for raws.

Most of what I've come across before coming to these GLP-1 forums were all from the same place. Not all of them. And a lot of the stuff I'm seeing here aren't, few are. My point wasn't for people to just choose any random vendor they find. Just that 1 manufacturer holds most of the real estate and they happen to have the best quality out there. Chase the quality. They're always within FDA specs(clean, 10% to 25% overfill, and above 98.5% purity (typically 99.5+%) consistently. Yes, overfill is a pharmaceutical requirement unbeknownst to the public. Which is why we are seeing it in our test. But 10-25% is the required range. My best guess is for degradation purposes. I do know the EXP date correlates with the medication being at the labeled dosage or below.

Yeah you're right. There are only a few good sources for raw mats. Not everything out of china is bad. Like everything, you still need to do your research. Just because everyone in a particular group is getting all their products from a particular place, doesn't mean it's good. You should always be looking for the better product who is consistent with my statement above. A specific overfill is good, not because it's more, but because it's within regulations. 98.5% is still high purity according to the FDA. There are good products out there and bad. I've mostly seen good overall. More expensive doesn't = good. And cheap doesn't always = bad. Stick to sources with a good history. Don't trust blindly. Fortunately we don't see too many legitimate scammers anymore. Or products that are giving people infections. Mostly just low quality, insane overfill or underfill issues. The amount of infections in the past were horrendous. That and people selling fakes. You don't really see that anymore as raw materials are cheap and easy to obtain, and manufacturers are easier to find (or their resellers at the very least). The dinosaurs of this industry are still around. Most people are just finding the new commers. That's where all the risk is.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Guys I wanted to ask: do all these vendors that we currently have include a batch number on the box that they send to you? If yes is it linked to a janoshik report? I will not trust any peptide without a batch number written and an official janoshik report for that specific batch. Trust is not easy to come by these days…

 

[mopo89]

Guys I wanted to ask: do all these vendors that we currently have include a batch number on the box that they send to you? If yes is it linked to a janoshik report? I will not trust any peptide without a batch number written and an official janoshik report for that specific batch. Trust is not easy to come by these days…

lol no

 

[brentm]

Guys I wanted to ask: do all these vendors that we currently have include a batch number on the box that they send to you? If yes is it linked to a janoshik report? I will not trust any peptide without a batch number written and an official janoshik report for that specific batch. Trust is not easy to come by these days…

I question your logic on authentication of batch numbers.

It's not difficult to print a label. There are no necks to wring when buying overseas.

That's the beauty of compounding pharmacies. At least there is a neck to wring. Someone to file suit against.

Anyone can print a label with a number on it. Vials can and have been recapped as well. Too many ways to game your authentication methods using a number and a report.

There's just no reliable way to know outside of burning one of your vials on a test. And then testing your own vial for purity doesn't tell you what the other unreported/untested constituents are.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

I question your logic on authentication of batch numbers.

It's not difficult to print a label. There are no necks to wring when buying overseas.

That's the beauty of compounding pharmacies. At least there is a neck to wring. Someone to file suit against.

Anyone can print a label with a number on it. Vials can and have been recapped as well. Too many ways to game your authentication methods using a number and a report.

There's just no reliable way to know outside of burning one of your vials on a test. And then testing your own vial for purity doesn't tell you what the other unreported/untested constituents are.

So what would you advise a newbie like me to do? I was invited by a group member JohnnyD on discord, is he trustworthy? His reta price was the best I have seen, even better than the Chinese vendors.

 

[mopo89]

So what would you advise a newbie like me to do? I was invited by a group member JohnnyD on discord, is he trustworthy? His reta price was the best I have seen, even better than the Chinese vendors.

as many people have advised you on here, you need to do way more research judging by the questions you ask. that's what a newbie like you needs to do - read, read, and read some more.

 

[brentm]

So what would you advise a newbie like me to do? I was invited by a group member JohnnyD on discord, is he trustworthy? His reta price was the best I have seen, even better than the Chinese vendors.

I wouldn't jump into any group buys. You trust "JohnnyD"?

For someone who hasn't bought overseas yet... a group buy is not where you should start.

SRYLAB price: Reta 10mg/vial 400usd=2kit Reta10mg + Free shipping
TUK ANGEL is 270 for 1 kit of 10mg
GYC is 10mg for $260

I hear SRYLAB has been in the news recently due to shipping fentanyl precursor.
Personally, I'd hit up GYC or TUK ANGEL... if you just have to go for the best price... SRYLAB.

Likely won't lose money with those... they've all had their share of issues.

Don't group buy.... go sign up for https://peptide.chat and go talk to these vendors yourself.

Do some legwork.

 

[normal]

So what would you advise a newbie like me to do? I was invited by a group member JohnnyD on discord, is he trustworthy? His reta price was the best I have seen, even better than the Chinese vendors.

You're going to be injecting this into your body. Go hit the interwebs/here and go read for a night so you're way more comfortable with this process and how everything works. Please don't just trust any one person's thoughts or options, read read read until you're confident in your own decisions and processes.

 

[Lowkey]

Guys I wanted to ask: do all these vendors that we currently have include a batch number on the box that they send to you? If yes is it linked to a janoshik report? I will not trust any peptide without a batch number written and an official janoshik report for that specific batch. Trust is not easy to come by these days…

You really only see batch numbers, codes to test results, or labels from resellers/vendors (mostly domestic) or some of the OLD companies. Otherwise you're getting a unmarked box with unlabeled vials. The box typically has a product identifier on it.

EDIT - I've never seen unlabeled orders get confiscated at customs which is probably why they do it. Have seen labeled orders held up by customs. Rare. But those companies are usually good at sending another order free of charge.

 

[keangkong]

Guys I wanted to ask: do all these vendors that we currently have include a batch number on the box that they send to you? If yes is it linked to a janoshik report? I will not trust any peptide without a batch number written and an official janoshik report for that specific batch. Trust is not easy to come by these days…

Do all? Of course not.

 

[keangkong]

You're going to be injecting this into your body. Go hit the interwebs/here and go read for a night so you're way more comfortable with this process and how everything works. Please don't just trust any one person's thoughts or options, read read read until you're confident in your own decisions and processes.

I'd stick to large vendors that have good reputations.

 

[keangkong]

I wouldn't jump into any group buys. You trust "JohnnyD"?

For someone who hasn't bought overseas yet... a group buy is not where you should start.

SRYLAB price: Reta 10mg/vial 400usd=2kit Reta10mg + Free shipping
TUK ANGEL is 270 for 1 kit of 10mg
GYC is 10mg for $260

I hear SRYLAB has been in the news recently due to shipping fentanyl precursor.
Personally, I'd hit up GYC or TUK ANGEL... if you just have to go for the best price... SRYLAB.

Likely won't lose money with those... they've all had their share of issues.

Don't group buy.... go sign up for https://peptide.chat and go talk to these vendors yourself.

Do some legwork.

QSC group buys are great.

 

[Lowkey]

I wouldn't jump into any group buys. You trust "JohnnyD"?

For someone who hasn't bought overseas yet... a group buy is not where you should start.

SRYLAB price: Reta 10mg/vial 400usd=2kit Reta10mg + Free shipping
TUK ANGEL is 270 for 1 kit of 10mg
GYC is 10mg for $260

I hear SRYLAB has been in the news recently due to shipping fentanyl precursor.
Personally, I'd hit up GYC or TUK ANGEL... if you just have to go for the best price... SRYLAB.

Likely won't lose money with those... they've all had their share of issues.

Don't group buy.... go sign up for https://peptide.chat and go talk to these vendors yourself.

Do some legwork.

Group buys can be beneficial. Most of the valuable COA's and information on vendors from china are from group buys. They almost always chip in to get tests done so at least they know what they are really getting. Plus they are getting bulk prices. I've never done it myself, but from what I've gathered, everyone still pays separately to the vendor but it's grouped together as a bulk order to get bulk prices, then shipped to each individual. No different than ordering yourself. Then they pool money together for someone to get a test done. There many be other methods, but this is how I've seen them work.

 

[brentm]

Group buys can be beneficial. Most of the valuable COA's and information on vendors from china are from group buys. They almost always chip in to get tests done so at least they know what they are really getting. Plus they are getting bulk prices. I've never done it myself, but from what I've gathered, everyone still pays separately to the vendor but it's grouped together as a bulk order to get bulk prices, then shipped to each individual. No different than ordering yourself. Then they pool money together for someone to get a test done. There many be other methods, but this is how I've seen them work.

Or money goes through a gb coordinator who gets a cut.

Why haven't you done it? Why you telling me how you think it works if you haven't done it?

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

I wonder how much it really costs the Chinese vendors per mg of reta?

Im guessing max cost 0.20$

But then you got rent and staff fuel/transportation and bills and equipment so all of that on top maybe total cost to produce a mg of reta $0.50

60%+ profit margin

 

[brentm]

I wonder how much it really costs the Chinese vendors per mg of reta?

Im guessing max cost 0.20$

But then you got rent and staff fuel/transportation and bills and equipment so all of that on top maybe total cost to produce a mg of reta $0.50

60%+ profit margin

You want to know how to build a clock or just know the time?

It's supply and demand. Reta still has a few years of trials. Guess which one is cheapest? Sema. Why. Highest supply and strong demand.

Most people on reta were already on research something else. Wait for approval before you expect prices to drop.

 

[Lowkey]

Or money goes through a gb coordinator who gets a cut.

Why haven't you done it? Why you telling me how you think it works if you haven't done it?

Group buys are a fairly new concept. I've been in the game long enough to get better deals on a single box than people will get on a bulk 50 box order (Since 2006). I've built relationships with manufacturers beyond pharmaceuticals, know managers instead of commission based sales reps. Never needed to do a group buy when people started doing them in the past year or so. All I know is what people who do them have told me. And the way I stated seems to be the most popular. I've also known many people who've been scammed by the single buyer group buys.

 

[fetefille]

Group buys are a fairly new concept. I've been in the game long enough to get better deals on a single box than people will get on a bulk 50 box order (Since 2006). I've built relationships with manufacturers beyond pharmaceuticals, know managers instead of commission based sales reps. Never needed to do a group buy when people started doing them in the past year or so. All I know is what people who do them have told me. And the way I stated seems to be the most popular. I've also known many people who've been scammed by the single buyer group buys.

Serious question, with all that going for you, why bother with any of this? These forums, discord it you’re there? Sounds like you got plugs, what gives?

 

[brentm]

Group buys are a fairly new concept. I've been in the game long enough to get better deals on a single box than people will get on a bulk 50 box order (Since 2006). I've built relationships with manufacturers beyond pharmaceuticals, know managers instead of commission based sales reps. Never needed to do a group buy when people started doing them in the past year or so. All I know is what people who do them have told me. And the way I stated seems to be the most popular. I've also known many people who've been scammed by the single buyer group buys.

beyond pharmaceuticals?

What's beyond that?

The way you describe "group buys" sounds very much like the "Chinese version".

Real group buys have a GB coordinator. S/he collects all the money, makes a single transaction, receives all the product in one shipment and then parcels out the individual buys.

Otherwise, what's the point? What exactly makes it a group buy if you just pay the vendor and they ship it direct to you... that's a "promotion". Not a group buy.

As for the rest of your nonsense. An account newer than mine has all these connections but takes the time out of their day to misexplain group buys to someone who never asked? Seems legit.

 

[Lowkey]

I wonder how much it really costs the Chinese vendors per mg of reta?

Im guessing max cost 0.20$

But then you got rent and staff fuel/transportation and bills and equipment so all of that on top maybe total cost to produce a mg of reta $0.50

60%+ profit margin

$0.05 per mg on raw materials alone if buying by the kilo