Exactly, it's happening to multiple vendors across multiple types of peptide.
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Shoot a message to @krysia0430 over on Telegram or Discord for an invite link.
Ok I'm in there. Going over
I still don't buy it. The difference in creating zero peptide lyophilized powder and the real thing is the cost of the raws, which is likely not more than 25% of the manufacturing/finishing costs. The FF would need to know the cap colors in advance or take the time to recap all of the vials that they had produced. It just seems like a lot of work to save a few bucks and risk burning your relationship with your customer. It would be easier and more sustainable to just have their own legitimate batches produced to sell. I think it is more likely that a raw producer provided bunk raws and GYC didn't test before or after manufacture.
It’s called “Case of the Missing Peptide”
The reason that theory doesn’t pan out is that all the bad kits have the same label, no matter which vendor they came from.
You know, I read through Krysia's investigative work on the Swiss and didn't catch that. This kinda blows my "bad raws" theory to hell. I'm going to back and read Krysia's write-up again.
No of course they wouldn't order vials with pure mannitol and replace those out. If the freight forwarder story is true (which I'm hesitant to believe) then there's probably some random ass cheap peptide like AOD or DSIP in there. They probably switched it out for a cheaper peptide and kept the expensive tirz. Although the cap colors matching makes me skeptical that this is anyone's deliberate act rather than a GYC fuckup
It’s not just GYC.
That just seems so far fetched that a company raking in billions upon billions is going to go operation bravo on some underground labs to try and maybe dissuade people from using them over a couple million dollars a year at best. Their lawyers make that much in a month. They'll definitely go after it through all legal avenues possible but if they're gonna play dirty they'd probably just knock off tracy not pull some elaborate oceans 11 stunt.
Which other vendors had vials test as nothing? Are you referring to the SRY screwup where they accidentally sent Reta instead of tirz?
It's complete and obvious bullshit. Real eye rolling stuff.
No, this is not related to the SRY issue. Most of the other vendors affected are GBs and not all have disclosed their sources. Royal Peptides also affected, Bucky's GB and several others I've never heard of.
Ah, okay. I still need to go through that Swiss thread but haven't gotten to it yet. Sounds like it definitely could be the case that all these GBs are sourcing from GYC or the issue is with a common supplier between GYC and these other vendors. It's important to remember that GYC might not be finishing their own vials and rather just purchasing finished product to sell which had the issue. This would also explain why they didn't bother internal testing, why other vendors including domestic are having the same issues and why it's all kits with the same labels.
After having read Krysia's "The Case of The Missing Peptides" on Swiss, I'm convinced we'll never have a good sense of what happened. I suspect I'd have to read and write Chinese and be familiar with how the grey industry operates there to be able to come up with reasonable guesses as to what likely happened. So far, the vendors I have used (SRY, SSA, Amolist, and SSA) appear unaffected.
GYC allows PT. They paid PT for this directly for the volunteer GB testing. I submitted the info to PT to set up the order and sent in my vial, GYC paid PT directly. PT sent the results straight to me (I am unsure if he also sent a copy to GYC but since I posted it doesn't really matter🤣).
One thing to note with the GYC T40, the people who got T40 that tested well in the aqua cases received their orders first. For the rest of us, shipping kept taking longer than expected. I was told I would have tracking within a week but it was closer to 3, and even after tracking it was 4 more days until it actually left the warehouse. So if they were having custom fakes made, they totally had time while slowly sending out real ones first (cases and labels on the real ones were also different). Also the vials of mannitol (or whatever) had a vacuum, so had testing not been done a consumer would not have been able to tell aside from lack of feels. Someone reconstituted GHK-CU as well and while the lyophilized pucks looked the correct color, once reconstituted it is also likely fake as the liquid was barely tinted. Whoever did this went through a lot of effort. And it wasn't GYC faking it or they wouldn't have paid for volunteer testing with true random selection. I feel like sabotage/peptide gang wars to take competition out feels like the most likely scenario.
If the theory that half the sellers are just sales people for one particular company are correct, they could all share the same shipping warehouse. I'm still waiting to see if I can get access to The Swiss so I'm wildly uninformed about who this has affected other than GYC. But if everyone shipped from the same warehouse, it makes sense multiple were involved.
Right, the problematic label is also used by a specific seller, ZZB I think, but the affected vendors usually didn't have that label, either they re-label the kits or they finish themselves. So maybe some ran out of their own stuck and started buying from other sellers without re-labelling and testing? That could be one possibility too
