GYC shipping vials with zero peptides detected

[keangkong]

It seems like if there is a 3rd party at the warehouse seizing peptides and replacing with blanks, it is likely someone paid by a competitor to sabotage. Doing all of that would take a lot of effort though. Does seem scary to me because while this appears to be manitol what would stop them from replacing with something that was actually dangerous.

I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that anyone with an ounce of sense realizes that if people died due to poisoning, that there would be serious consequences, many of which would not be legal. Anyone making money from grey market peptides would have their business greatly hurt by such incidents. Call me a racist if you wish, but I trust folks living in China more than I do folks living in the US to not to have some crazy out there who just wants to kill someone. No, I'm not anti-American; I'm proud of American accomplishments and have an American flag hanging in front of my house.

 

[dogmom]

I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that anyone with an ounce of sense realizes that if people died due to poisoning, that there would be serious consequences, many of which would not be legal. Anyone making money from grey market peptides would have their business greatly hurt by such incidents. Call me a racist if you wish, but I trust folks living in China more than I do folks living in the US to not to have some crazy out there who just wants to kill someone. No, I'm not anti-American; I'm proud of American accomplishments and have an American flag hanging in front of my house.

That is what me thinks is more than likely a competitor. Because if someone actually wanted to blow up the scene they could do that easily it seems like with replacing with something dangerous. I think it is someone who just wants to interrupt other sellers business. But yeah for me it is a new fear unlocked.

I know people think folks are crazy for sticking with QSC but at least with them I know they have their own operations. Each XYZ new seller popping up who knows who their manufacturer is and whose warehouses their share. It is just a guessing game.

 

[fetefille]

That is what me thinks is more than likely a competitor. Because if someone actually wanted to blow up the scene they could do that easily it seems like with replacing with something dangerous. I think it is someone who just wants to interrupt other sellers business. But yeah for me it is a new fear unlocked.

I know people think folks are crazy for sticking with QSC but at least with them I know they have their own operations. Each XYZ new seller popping up who knows who their manufacturer is and whose warehouses their share. It is just a guessing game.

Ok, but by the same token, a competitor f-ing with others’ supply with anything other than just plain ol mannitol would absolutely get them wrapped up in an investigation and increased scrutiny, no? Maybe shut the whole thing down if a death happened.

(Now that I read yours again, I may be saying the same thing? Has anyone said what’s actually in the vials?)

 

[fetefille]

I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that anyone with an ounce of sense realizes that if people died due to poisoning, that there would be serious consequences, many of which would not be legal. Anyone making money from grey market peptides would have their business greatly hurt by such incidents. Call me a racist if you wish, but I trust folks living in China more than I do folks living in the US to not to have some crazy out there who just wants to kill someone. No, I'm not anti-American; I'm proud of American accomplishments and have an American flag hanging in front of my house.

Not for nothing, the elementary students randomly stabbed at school would beg to differ on that “some crazy” part.

 

[dogmom]

Ok, but by the same token, a competitor f-ing with others’ supply with anything other than just plain ol mannitol would absolutely get them wrapped up in an investigation and increased scrutiny, no? Maybe shut the whole thing down if a death happened.

Yeah but something like that would get the attention of governments and police. They don't want scrutiny to the point where it would affect the whole industry.

 

[GLP69]

If the theory that half the sellers are just sales people for one particular company are correct, they could all share the same shipping warehouse. I'm still waiting to see if I can get access to The Swiss so I'm wildly uninformed about who this has affected other than GYC. But if everyone shipped from the same warehouse, it makes sense multiple were involved.

I haven't read the details on discord yet, but just from skimming this thread, a bunch of sellers all having the same source and getting scammed by them or someone working for them sounds 10000x more plausible than the other stuff people are throwing out there. I mean the grey market community is relatively small. The thought that there are all of these different labs finishing their own peptides to satisfy a relative handful of customers never really made sense to me. EL planting someone in their 3PL to swap vials out? Lol. It cracks me up how everyone around here seems to go straight for the most sinister sounding explanation for things.

I fear we're about to start seeing a lot of scams and shady vendors popping up with all of the unsuspecting newcomers though.

 

[chmuse]

I haven't read the details on discord yet, but just from skimming this thread, a bunch of sellers all having the same source and getting scammed by them or someone working for them sounds 10000x more plausible than the other stuff people are throwing out there. I mean the grey market community is relatively small. The thought that there are all of these different labs finishing their own peptides to satisfy a relative handful of customers never really made sense to me. EL planting someone in their 3PL to swap vials out? Lol. It cracks me up how everyone around here seems to go straight for the most sinister sounding explanation for things.

I fear we're about to start seeing a lot of scams and shady vendors popping up with all of the unsuspecting newcomers though.

100%. It would be so easy to do well for a few months, post a great sale that everyone jumps on, then cut and run with the btc

 

[GLP69]

100%. It would be so easy to do well for a few months, post a great sale that everyone jumps on, then cut and run with the btc

It basically became the norm with darknet markets. You better believe we're going to see some of it when this thing starts getting too big.

 

[scarywood75]

Because if someone actually wanted to blow up the scene they could do that easily it seems like with replacing with something dangerous. I think it is someone who just wants to interrupt other sellers business. But yeah for me it is a new fear unlocked.

Just put some laxative or some shit like that 🤣

 

[dogmom]

100%. It would be so easy to do well for a few months, post a great sale that everyone jumps on, then cut and run with the btc

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

 

[scarywood75]

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

Right, except they would already be gone by now if it was that and they would also not have paid for their shit to get tested

 

[dogmom]

Right, except they would already be gone by now if it was that and they would also not have paid for their shit to get tested

yeah I don't think that is what GYC is doing here.

 

[GLP69]

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

Seems like the timing is all wrong to do an exit scam right now anyway if someone were really trying to capitalize. I mean we're seeing the early panic from the recent FDA news, but I would think the real marks will be the stragglers who start showing up in February.

 

[keangkong]

I haven't read the details on discord yet, but just from skimming this thread, a bunch of sellers all having the same source and getting scammed by them or someone working for them sounds 10000x more plausible than the other stuff people are throwing out there. I mean the grey market community is relatively small. The thought that there are all of these different labs finishing their own peptides to satisfy a relative handful of customers never really made sense to me. EL planting someone in their 3PL to swap vials out? Lol. It cracks me up how everyone around here seems to go straight for the most sinister sounding explanation for things.

I fear we're about to start seeing a lot of scams and shady vendors popping up with all of the unsuspecting newcomers though.

Yes, one company (who name I don't know) but who sells to multiple places makes a great deal of sense.

 

[GtownBrown]

From what I have read, the group buys affected are not revealing their vendors. So, we really are just speculating. For instance: Bucky’s GB tested zero pep Reta. My Reta label from a different group buy (out for testing now) matched his Reta label. Then, my tirz30 from same buy had no effect on me, so I checked that label and found it was also a match. Other people in my GB also reporting no effect from tirz. I have no incentive to test the tirz because it cost less to just replace it, but I’m certain there’s no pep in that vial. See? Speculation based on some concrete bit of info.

If the theory that half the sellers are just sales people for one particular company are correct, they could all share the same shipping warehouse. I'm still waiting to see if I can get access to The Swiss so I'm wildly uninformed about who this has affected other than GYC. But if everyone shipped from the same warehouse, it makes sense multiple were involved

 

[GtownBrown]

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

This was my first thought. In October, there was some legal action/enforcement in China that the vendors referred to. It was about the same time as the DOJ indicting some companies like SRY. New source pathways, bank accounts, etc. were being formed. I think it affected factories. Perfect time for an exit scam.

 

[clevesand]

This was my first thought. In October, there was some legal action/enforcement in China that the vendors referred to. It was about the same time as the DOJ indicting some companies like SRY. New source pathways, bank accounts, etc. were being formed. I think it affected factories. Perfect time for an exit scam.

If there is an exit scam they don't ship anything. As has been pointed out earlier this stuff cost pennies. The difference between a fake vial and a vial with a few sprinkles of tirz is very negligible and they wouldn't go through the hassle.

 

[scarywood75]

So you guys are saying that our vendors got exit scammed? I find the idea hilarious 😂

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Yeah—this is all bad. I have two kits of the fake stuff (r10 and t30) that’s not even on their list. That means that multiple companies were hit. If you want to know more, join The Swiss on Discord, where they are tracking all this.

Please can you name the shipping company involved and the vendors as well.

I recently purchased from the following;

ASC - Sema20 and Tirz60
Gyc - Tirz60 and reta30
ZYH - fk alot of things Tirz30, Reta30, Ipa, Tesamorelin, HGH, Sema20, Ss31, Motsc60mg, Cagri40mgs, Kpv100mgs

 

[noteablequotable]

Please can you name the shipping company involved and the vendors as well.

I recently purchased from the following;

ASC - Sema20 and Tirz60
Gyc - Tirz60 and reta30
ZYH - fk alot of things Tirz30, Reta30, Ipa, Tesamorelin, HGH, Sema20, Ss31, Motsc60mg, Cagri40mgs, Kpv100mgs

We're still trying to figure this out, but I haven't heard anyone mention ASC or ZYH. If you haven't gotten the product you ordered from GYC you're probably safe.

 

[zpped]

I know people think folks are crazy for sticking with QSC but at least with them I know they have their own operations. Each XYZ new seller popping up who knows who their manufacturer is and whose warehouses their share. It is just a guessing game.

Longevity is a major factor in picking a vendor, but you are falsely assuming qsc has their own operations. Most people believe qsc is also just reseller.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

From what I have read, the group buys affected are not revealing their vendors. So, we really are just speculating. For instance: Bucky’s GB tested zero pep Reta. My Reta label from a different group buy (out for testing now) matched his Reta label. Then, my tirz30 from same buy had no effect on me, so I checked that label and found it was also a match. Other people in my GB also reporting no effect from tirz. I have no incentive to test the tirz because it cost less to just replace it, but I’m certain there’s no pep in that vial. See? Speculation based on some concrete bit of info.

If a group buy delivers 0% fill and continues to protect the identity of the vendor I’d suggest not using them again.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Krysia's (who has spent a lot of time researching this issue and talking with people directly involved) current leaning is that this was not the freight forwarder but more likely a finisher that GYC and a couple of GB's were buying from provided zero peptide product.

 

[GtownBrown]

If there is an exit scam they don't ship anything. As has been pointed out earlier this stuff cost pennies. The difference between a fake vial and a vial with a few sprinkles of tirz is very negligible and they wouldn't go through the hassle.

If it is a factory/finisher making an exit, they got paid for these last batches and didn’t have to buy any peptides to put in them.

If a group buy delivers 0% fill and continues to protect the identity of the vendor I’d suggest not using them again.

Obvi.

 

[scarywood75]

FYI, from GYC, what do you guys think?

 

[GLP69]

FYI, from GYC, what do you guys think?

The whole warehouse/freight forwarder thing doesn't pass the smell test. They're just unable to give us a true explanation without exposing their business model.

My guess is that a relatively legit company is the source (if these guys even know the real source), and the source are probably the ones actually storing it at these 3PL's, and these GB's and "companies" like GYC are purely sales and it all ultimately ships from the same warehouses. Someone along the chain on the source end of things, pulled a switcheroo on one of the inbound shipments and GYC and the like are having to do damage control without explaining how it all works and where it came from.

I mean I could see a warehouse worker trying to sneak some inventory out maybe if he knew what the stuff actually was, but 0 chance in hell someone at that level would be replacing legit product with fakes.

 

[penewbie]

The whole warehouse/freight forwarder thing doesn't pass the smell test. They're just unable to give us a true explanation without exposing their business model.

100%.

 

[scarywood75]

The whole warehouse/freight forwarder thing doesn't pass the smell test. They're just unable to give us a true explanation without exposing their business model.

My guess is that a relatively legit company is the source (if these guys even know the real source), and the source are probably the ones actually storing it at these 3PL's, and these GB's and "companies" like GYC are purely sales. It all probably ships from the same warehouses. Someone along the chain on the source end of things, pulled a switcheroo on one of the inbound shipments and GYC and the like are having to do damage control without explaining how it all works and where it came from.

I mean I could see a warehouse worker trying to sneak some inventory out maybe if he knew what the stuff was and someone who would buy it, but 0 chance in hell someone at that level would be replacing legit product with fakes.

But at the end, does it really matter if the vendor makes it right?

 

[GLP69]

But at the end, does it really matter if the vendor makes it right?

In terms of an isolated situation like this, I would say probably not. I think its relevant to trying to understand the big picture though. All of these different vendors may just be the illusion of choice.

 

[stickfigure]

But at the end, does it really matter if the vendor makes it right?

It matters if other vendors may be affected by the same issue, coming from the same source. Not everyone is buying in bulk and testing.