GYC shipping vials with zero peptides detected

[scarywood75]

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

Right, except they would already be gone by now if it was that and they would also not have paid for their shit to get tested

 

[dogmom]

Right, except they would already be gone by now if it was that and they would also not have paid for their shit to get tested

yeah I don't think that is what GYC is doing here.

 

[GLP69]

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

Seems like the timing is all wrong to do an exit scam right now anyway if someone were really trying to capitalize. I mean we're seeing the early panic from the recent FDA news, but I would think the real marks will be the stragglers who start showing up in February.

 

[keangkong]

I haven't read the details on discord yet, but just from skimming this thread, a bunch of sellers all having the same source and getting scammed by them or someone working for them sounds 10000x more plausible than the other stuff people are throwing out there. I mean the grey market community is relatively small. The thought that there are all of these different labs finishing their own peptides to satisfy a relative handful of customers never really made sense to me. EL planting someone in their 3PL to swap vials out? Lol. It cracks me up how everyone around here seems to go straight for the most sinister sounding explanation for things.

I fear we're about to start seeing a lot of scams and shady vendors popping up with all of the unsuspecting newcomers though.

Yes, one company (who name I don't know) but who sells to multiple places makes a great deal of sense.

 

[GtownBrown]

From what I have read, the group buys affected are not revealing their vendors. So, we really are just speculating. For instance: Bucky’s GB tested zero pep Reta. My Reta label from a different group buy (out for testing now) matched his Reta label. Then, my tirz30 from same buy had no effect on me, so I checked that label and found it was also a match. Other people in my GB also reporting no effect from tirz. I have no incentive to test the tirz because it cost less to just replace it, but I’m certain there’s no pep in that vial. See? Speculation based on some concrete bit of info.

If the theory that half the sellers are just sales people for one particular company are correct, they could all share the same shipping warehouse. I'm still waiting to see if I can get access to The Swiss so I'm wildly uninformed about who this has affected other than GYC. But if everyone shipped from the same warehouse, it makes sense multiple were involved

 

[GtownBrown]

Yes that is part of an exit scam.

I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.

This was my first thought. In October, there was some legal action/enforcement in China that the vendors referred to. It was about the same time as the DOJ indicting some companies like SRY. New source pathways, bank accounts, etc. were being formed. I think it affected factories. Perfect time for an exit scam.

 

[clevesand]

This was my first thought. In October, there was some legal action/enforcement in China that the vendors referred to. It was about the same time as the DOJ indicting some companies like SRY. New source pathways, bank accounts, etc. were being formed. I think it affected factories. Perfect time for an exit scam.

If there is an exit scam they don't ship anything. As has been pointed out earlier this stuff cost pennies. The difference between a fake vial and a vial with a few sprinkles of tirz is very negligible and they wouldn't go through the hassle.

 

[scarywood75]

So you guys are saying that our vendors got exit scammed? I find the idea hilarious 😂

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Yeah—this is all bad. I have two kits of the fake stuff (r10 and t30) that’s not even on their list. That means that multiple companies were hit. If you want to know more, join The Swiss on Discord, where they are tracking all this.

Please can you name the shipping company involved and the vendors as well.

I recently purchased from the following;

ASC - Sema20 and Tirz60
Gyc - Tirz60 and reta30
ZYH - fk alot of things Tirz30, Reta30, Ipa, Tesamorelin, HGH, Sema20, Ss31, Motsc60mg, Cagri40mgs, Kpv100mgs

 

[noteablequotable]

Please can you name the shipping company involved and the vendors as well.

I recently purchased from the following;

ASC - Sema20 and Tirz60
Gyc - Tirz60 and reta30
ZYH - fk alot of things Tirz30, Reta30, Ipa, Tesamorelin, HGH, Sema20, Ss31, Motsc60mg, Cagri40mgs, Kpv100mgs

We're still trying to figure this out, but I haven't heard anyone mention ASC or ZYH. If you haven't gotten the product you ordered from GYC you're probably safe.

 

[zpped]

I know people think folks are crazy for sticking with QSC but at least with them I know they have their own operations. Each XYZ new seller popping up who knows who their manufacturer is and whose warehouses their share. It is just a guessing game.

Longevity is a major factor in picking a vendor, but you are falsely assuming qsc has their own operations. Most people believe qsc is also just reseller.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

From what I have read, the group buys affected are not revealing their vendors. So, we really are just speculating. For instance: Bucky’s GB tested zero pep Reta. My Reta label from a different group buy (out for testing now) matched his Reta label. Then, my tirz30 from same buy had no effect on me, so I checked that label and found it was also a match. Other people in my GB also reporting no effect from tirz. I have no incentive to test the tirz because it cost less to just replace it, but I’m certain there’s no pep in that vial. See? Speculation based on some concrete bit of info.

If a group buy delivers 0% fill and continues to protect the identity of the vendor I’d suggest not using them again.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Krysia's (who has spent a lot of time researching this issue and talking with people directly involved) current leaning is that this was not the freight forwarder but more likely a finisher that GYC and a couple of GB's were buying from provided zero peptide product.

 

[GtownBrown]

If there is an exit scam they don't ship anything. As has been pointed out earlier this stuff cost pennies. The difference between a fake vial and a vial with a few sprinkles of tirz is very negligible and they wouldn't go through the hassle.

If it is a factory/finisher making an exit, they got paid for these last batches and didn’t have to buy any peptides to put in them.

If a group buy delivers 0% fill and continues to protect the identity of the vendor I’d suggest not using them again.

Obvi.

 

[scarywood75]

FYI, from GYC, what do you guys think?

 

[GLP69]

FYI, from GYC, what do you guys think?

The whole warehouse/freight forwarder thing doesn't pass the smell test. They're just unable to give us a true explanation without exposing their business model.

My guess is that a relatively legit company is the source (if these guys even know the real source), and the source are probably the ones actually storing it at these 3PL's, and these GB's and "companies" like GYC are purely sales and it all ultimately ships from the same warehouses. Someone along the chain on the source end of things, pulled a switcheroo on one of the inbound shipments and GYC and the like are having to do damage control without explaining how it all works and where it came from.

I mean I could see a warehouse worker trying to sneak some inventory out maybe if he knew what the stuff actually was, but 0 chance in hell someone at that level would be replacing legit product with fakes.

 

[penewbie]

The whole warehouse/freight forwarder thing doesn't pass the smell test. They're just unable to give us a true explanation without exposing their business model.

100%.

 

[scarywood75]

The whole warehouse/freight forwarder thing doesn't pass the smell test. They're just unable to give us a true explanation without exposing their business model.

My guess is that a relatively legit company is the source (if these guys even know the real source), and the source are probably the ones actually storing it at these 3PL's, and these GB's and "companies" like GYC are purely sales. It all probably ships from the same warehouses. Someone along the chain on the source end of things, pulled a switcheroo on one of the inbound shipments and GYC and the like are having to do damage control without explaining how it all works and where it came from.

I mean I could see a warehouse worker trying to sneak some inventory out maybe if he knew what the stuff was and someone who would buy it, but 0 chance in hell someone at that level would be replacing legit product with fakes.

But at the end, does it really matter if the vendor makes it right?

 

[GLP69]

But at the end, does it really matter if the vendor makes it right?

In terms of an isolated situation like this, I would say probably not. I think its relevant to trying to understand the big picture though. All of these different vendors may just be the illusion of choice.

 

[stickfigure]

But at the end, does it really matter if the vendor makes it right?

It matters if other vendors may be affected by the same issue, coming from the same source. Not everyone is buying in bulk and testing.

 

[zpped]

It matters if other vendors may be affected by the same issue, coming from the same source. Not everyone is buying in bulk and testing.

Problem is, we're never going to actually know the truth. Which is, again, why testing is so important.

 

[stickfigure]

Problem is, we're never going to actually know the truth. Which is, again, why testing is so important.

We all preach why testing is important, but people still purchase a single 10mg kit of mystery powder from China and inject with no 3rd party testing

 

[GLP69]

Problem is, we're never going to actually know the truth. Which is, again, why testing is so important.

Yeah I dont think it would change much in practical terms really. It's just interesting trying to figure out how things really operate when you get a little peak behind the curtain like we did here.

 

[keangkong]

Assuming SRY is unaffected by what happened, SRY has got to be happy that this happened. No, I'm not conjuring up conspiracy theories that SRY caused this. However, SRY had some bad publicity for being charged by the US DOJ with distributing a fentanyl-like opioid and for being accused, probably falsely, of sending a hot pack (a package of an illicit substance marked in a way so that it will be seized).

 

[chmuse]

Assuming SRY is unaffected by what happened, SRY has got to be happy that this happened. No, I'm not conjuring up conspiracy theories that SRY caused this. However, SRY had some bad publicity for being charged by the US DOJ with distributing a fentanyl-like opioid and for being accused, probably falsely, of sending a hot pack (a package of an illicit substance marked in a way so that it will be seized).

In my head, SRY is like one of those monopolies in America that has their hands in food, electronics, clothing, and cars. They're just everywhere.

 

[zpped]

Assuming SRY is unaffected by what happened, SRY has got to be happy that this happened. No, I'm not conjuring up conspiracy theories that SRY caused this. However, SRY had some bad publicity for being charged by the US DOJ with distributing a fentanyl-like opioid and for being accused, probably falsely, of sending a hot pack (a package of an illicit substance marked in a way so that it will be seized).

don't forget the counterfeit postage.

edit: and I almost forgot about the time they made roach their primary domestic representative. That one was a hoot.

 

[clayd]

don't forget the counterfeit postage.

edit: and I almost forgot about the time they made roach their primary domestic representative. That one was a hoot.

but sry has good prices, accepts alipay, and responds on whatsapp the same day, even during US daytime hours, and sends tracking numbers. wouldn't think those things would be differentiators, but here we are

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

was there ever a second test by another lab to confirm?

 

[ShredHer]

New here. Is this likely to have been caught up in the dodgy goings on? This was purchased at end of November from a person in China named Serlina (can’t remember her surname and im
not on FB atm to look) have ordered from her previously (vials had green cap) without any issues.

 

[chmuse]

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New here. Is this likely to have been caught up in the dodgy goings on? This was purchased at end of November from a person in China named Serlina (can’t remember her surname and im
not on FB atm to look) have ordered from her previously (vials had green cap) without any issues.

Looks like one of the bad labels to me

 

[ShredHer]

Looks like one of the bad labels to me

I’ve just emailed the seller regarding this.

 

[chmuse]

I’ve just emailed the seller regarding this.

You should send it to be tested idk if it's been confirmed ALL of those labels are bad, just that some are

 

[zpped]

View attachment 4841
New here. Is this likely to have been caught up in the dodgy goings on? This was purchased at end of November from a person in China named Serlina (can’t remember her surname and im
not on FB atm to look) have ordered from her previously (vials had green cap) without any issues.

A lot of vendors got cheated by one of their suppliers recently. This picture matches the pattern but it's never certain unless you test it. Which you should already be doing.

 

[GtownBrown]

View attachment 4841
New here. Is this likely to have been caught up in the dodgy goings on? This was purchased at end of November from a person in China named Serlina (can’t remember her surname and im
not on FB atm to look) have ordered from her previously (vials had green cap) without any issues.

Yes, that is the suspect label. It is likely that is zero peptide.

 

[problems]

Yeah—this is all bad. I have two kits of the fake stuff (r10 and t30) that’s not even on their list. That means that multiple companies were hit. If you want to know more, join The Swiss on Discord, where they are tracking all this.

Do you have a link to the Swiss?

 

[GtownBrown]

Do you have a link to the Swiss?

I don’t have invite privileges. Message Krysia to ask for an invite.

 

[ShredHer]

The label is same as previous from this seller and had no issues with their product.

I’ve tried it today and it’s working as per previous supply.

👍🏻

 

[YoYoFat]

The label is same as previous from this seller and had no issues with their product.

I’ve tried it today and it’s working as per previous supply.

👍🏻

You know that fast?

 

[nonyabizznez]

Maybe she's taking about the syringes... The syringes are working 🙄

 

[chmuse]

You know that fast?

Is it weird to feel the effects the same day? Am I placebo-ing myself? (Genuine question.)

 

[penewbie]

I can feel it within 8-12 hours.

 

[chmuse]

I can feel it within 8-12 hours.

My first dose I felt within a few hours, definitely less than 6. I usually pin at night if 'noise' was there that day and when I wake up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, no noise. But I'm not above believing I want it to work so badly I've placebo-ed myself.

 

[GimmeABreak]

My first dose I felt within a few hours, definitely less than 6. I usually pin at night if 'noise' was there that day and when I wake up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, no noise. But I'm not above believing I want it to work so badly I've placebo-ed myself.

It's 48+ hours for me to feel anything (pinning 7.2mg/5-days) and it is usually fatigue on the third day.

 

[chmuse]

It's 48+ hours for me to feel anything (pinning 7.2mg/5-days) and it is usually fatigue on the third day.

I wonder if my using sema makes a difference. I'm three months in and tried my first .5 dose and got very sick the same day, then remained sick for days. Today is my first day holding down solid food since Christmas.

 

[zpped]

I wonder if my using sema makes a difference. I'm three months in and tried my first .5 dose and got very sick the same day, then remained sick for days. Today is my first day holding down solid food since Christmas.

I stopped "feeling" anything from tirz after the first few weeks. Never felt anything from Reta. Still losing weight. I could notice subtle behavior differences from the beginning of the week to the end.

I've taken a lot of peps and the only one that gives definitive feels to me is pt141.

 

[keangkong]

The great thing about the GYC tirzepatide-free vials is they cause minimal side effects. You won't experience any sulfur burps or constipation. You also won't lose too quickly.

 

[GimmeABreak]

The great thing about the GYC tirzepatide-free vials is they cause minimal side effects. You won't experience any sulfur burps or constipation. You also won't lose too quickly.

I think it is actually called Placebotide when it is in this form.

 

[nonyabizznez]

I stopped "feeling" anything from tirz after the first few weeks. Never felt anything from Reta. Still losing weight. I could notice subtle behavior differences from the beginning of the week to the end.

I've taken a lot of peps and the only one that gives definitive feels to me is pt141.

@chmuse is your sickness mostly in the morning?

(The pt141 comment has me wondering)

 

[chmuse]

@chmuse is your sickness mostly in the morning?

(The pt141 comment has me wondering)

I wasn't the one who used the pt141 (yet- it is one of the ones I'll eventually be trying, because sema has nuked my libido.)

If you're going where I think you're going, not a possibility for me. But now the idea is in my head and I have anxiety, so I'm probably going to be unable to sleep until I check because life finds a way 😱

 

[Nikki nik]

@chmuse is your sickness mostly in the morning?

(The pt141 comment has me wondering)

I think I want to try more pt141