penewbie
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It's complete and obvious bullshit. Real eye rolling stuff.
GYC shipping vials with zero peptides detected
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MiniatureSnail
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No, this is not related to the SRY issue. Most of the other vendors affected are GBs and not all have disclosed their sources. Royal Peptides also affected, Bucky's GB and several others I've never heard of.
noggin
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Ah, okay. I still need to go through that Swiss thread but haven't gotten to it yet. Sounds like it definitely could be the case that all these GBs are sourcing from GYC or the issue is with a common supplier between GYC and these other vendors. It's important to remember that GYC might not be finishing their own vials and rather just purchasing finished product to sell which had the issue. This would also explain why they didn't bother internal testing, why other vendors including domestic are having the same issues and why it's all kits with the same labels.
It's my belief that this is how it works for basically every single vendor that sells around here with the exception of maybe a few (QSC and Amo would be where i'd bet money on having some hand in the production/finishing aspect but who knows). Everything else is one big group buy.
keangkong
Research Enthusiast
After having read Krysia's "The Case of The Missing Peptides" on Swiss, I'm convinced we'll never have a good sense of what happened. I suspect I'd have to read and write Chinese and be familiar with how the grey industry operates there to be able to come up with reasonable guesses as to what likely happened. So far, the vendors I have used (SRY, SSA, Amolist, and SSA) appear unaffected.
It seems like if there is a 3rd party at the warehouse seizing peptides and replacing with blanks, it is likely someone paid by a competitor to sabotage. Doing all of that would take a lot of effort though. Does seem scary to me because while this appears to be manitol what would stop them from replacing with something that was actually dangerous.
lazygardener
New_Member
GYC allows PT. They paid PT for this directly for the volunteer GB testing. I submitted the info to PT to set up the order and sent in my vial, GYC paid PT directly. PT sent the results straight to me (I am unsure if he also sent a copy to GYC but since I posted it doesn't really matter
).lazygardener
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One thing to note with the GYC T40, the people who got T40 that tested well in the aqua cases received their orders first. For the rest of us, shipping kept taking longer than expected. I was told I would have tracking within a week but it was closer to 3, and even after tracking it was 4 more days until it actually left the warehouse. So if they were having custom fakes made, they totally had time while slowly sending out real ones first (cases and labels on the real ones were also different). Also the vials of mannitol (or whatever) had a vacuum, so had testing not been done a consumer would not have been able to tell aside from lack of feels. Someone reconstituted GHK-CU as well and while the lyophilized pucks looked the correct color, once reconstituted it is also likely fake as the liquid was barely tinted. Whoever did this went through a lot of effort. And it wasn't GYC faking it or they wouldn't have paid for volunteer testing with true random selection. I feel like sabotage/peptide gang wars to take competition out feels like the most likely scenario.
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scarywood75
Research Enthusiast
My understanding is that this is happening across different vendors and all types of peptides.
They all seem to have got the same label tho, it seems like they may have switched the entire kits and not just vials inside.
Shipping was slower, of course it's Christmas time, but still another weird coincidence.
I don't see how this is about stealing good supply, since there's easier ways.
But at the same time there's easier ways to sabotage vendors, so I'm not sure either. Maybe they thought it would be harder to trace that back to the forwarder if they do it this way? That obviously didn't work out.
That's a very well thought out plan tho, whatever we think happened. Doing it during Christmas where shipping is slow, but all vendors have their peak sales of the year, taking the time to make labels, lyophilized vials and replace the good ones.
Given what we know, it's not the raw manufacturers, because of the labels that aren't the one used by the affected vendors. Could be our resellers that brought a bad batch from some finishers, but they normally should've been tested before being sent to us.
They all seem to have got the same label tho, it seems like they may have switched the entire kits and not just vials inside.
Shipping was slower, of course it's Christmas time, but still another weird coincidence.
I don't see how this is about stealing good supply, since there's easier ways.
But at the same time there's easier ways to sabotage vendors, so I'm not sure either. Maybe they thought it would be harder to trace that back to the forwarder if they do it this way? That obviously didn't work out.
That's a very well thought out plan tho, whatever we think happened. Doing it during Christmas where shipping is slow, but all vendors have their peak sales of the year, taking the time to make labels, lyophilized vials and replace the good ones.
Given what we know, it's not the raw manufacturers, because of the labels that aren't the one used by the affected vendors. Could be our resellers that brought a bad batch from some finishers, but they normally should've been tested before being sent to us.
scarywood75
Research Enthusiast
We won't see anymore promotions I feel like for a long time, if GYC makes this right, that's a huuuge money loss for them right there
If the theory that half the sellers are just sales people for one particular company are correct, they could all share the same shipping warehouse. I'm still waiting to see if I can get access to The Swiss so I'm wildly uninformed about who this has affected other than GYC. But if everyone shipped from the same warehouse, it makes sense multiple were involved.
scarywood75
Research Enthusiast
Right, the problematic label is also used by a specific seller, ZZB I think, but the affected vendors usually didn't have that label, either they re-label the kits or they finish themselves. So maybe some ran out of their own stuck and started buying from other sellers without re-labelling and testing? That could be one possibility too
scarywood75
Research Enthusiast
The proofs we have however point more the fault at the FF company.
keangkong
Research Enthusiast
I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that anyone with an ounce of sense realizes that if people died due to poisoning, that there would be serious consequences, many of which would not be legal. Anyone making money from grey market peptides would have their business greatly hurt by such incidents. Call me a racist if you wish, but I trust folks living in China more than I do folks living in the US to not to have some crazy out there who just wants to kill someone. No, I'm not anti-American; I'm proud of American accomplishments and have an American flag hanging in front of my house.
That is what me thinks is more than likely a competitor. Because if someone actually wanted to blow up the scene they could do that easily it seems like with replacing with something dangerous. I think it is someone who just wants to interrupt other sellers business. But yeah for me it is a new fear unlocked.
I know people think folks are crazy for sticking with QSC but at least with them I know they have their own operations. Each XYZ new seller popping up who knows who their manufacturer is and whose warehouses their share. It is just a guessing game.
Ok, but by the same token, a competitor f-ing with others’ supply with anything other than just plain ol mannitol would absolutely get them wrapped up in an investigation and increased scrutiny, no? Maybe shut the whole thing down if a death happened.
(Now that I read yours again, I may be saying the same thing? Has anyone said what’s actually in the vials?)
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Not for nothing, the elementary students randomly stabbed at school would beg to differ on that “some crazy” part.
Yeah but something like that would get the attention of governments and police. They don't want scrutiny to the point where it would affect the whole industry.
I haven't read the details on discord yet, but just from skimming this thread, a bunch of sellers all having the same source and getting scammed by them or someone working for them sounds 10000x more plausible than the other stuff people are throwing out there. I mean the grey market community is relatively small. The thought that there are all of these different labs finishing their own peptides to satisfy a relative handful of customers never really made sense to me. EL planting someone in their 3PL to swap vials out? Lol. It cracks me up how everyone around here seems to go straight for the most sinister sounding explanation for things.
I fear we're about to start seeing a lot of scams and shady vendors popping up with all of the unsuspecting newcomers though.
100%. It would be so easy to do well for a few months, post a great sale that everyone jumps on, then cut and run with the btc
