I took a chance with LSPL

the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
OUCH again!
 
LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag 🚩I needed.
 
LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
It's unfortunately really easy to have a second account for that. 😔
 
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It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag 🚩I needed.
In an ideal world, vendors would test the product only for their own integrity, before putting a batch on the market (or at least before fulfilling any orders. But the public shouldn't put trust in tests they commission, so I'm sort of glad if they stand back and stay out of testing. What they can (but seem not to) do is maintain total separation between batches, with a unique number/color for each...without which any testing is much less valuable.

I don't see why people even seek claim/truth about being manufacturers or not. It's a supply chain, and vendors are fine...if they act appropriately in ensuring product quality and reputation, which is in the interest of each participant in the supply chain. They're then free to focus on marketing/aftermarket support, building reputation, micromanaging logistics and delivery (no small matter), and answering every newbie's (including my own!) stupid questions on multitudinous forums.
 
OUCH, too late for me. I just placed a fat order over $600 yesterday. Keep the bad news coming guys LOL
Remember the days at Dunkin Donuts when at the entry there was a window on the left where you could watch them make the donuts? Or when you walked into an Olive Garden and they were making homemade pasta at what's now is a bar full of bratty kids?

I think after the zero peps fiasco they know the ruse is over. The donuts and pasta come from a central location and so do our peps.

I bet your order will be just fine.
 
They also deal in illegal stock ..... may want to revisit them.
 
Would be very interesting to know what you are trying to say???? Do you mean illegal soup stock, or illegal stock market 😂 do explain yourself please.
This confused me too. I assumed what was meant was being immobilized in a very public setting as a method of punishment by humiliation ... which is a violation of the Constitution of the United States of America🇺🇸
 
I just ordered yesterday. $350. Praying it gets to me and good quality! No tracking number yet.
 
I ordered from Ava at LSPL on 2/22. Got my tracking number on 2/25. Received the delivery today, 2/28. Much faster than I expected.

That's REALLY fast.

I paid on the 1st, got tracking on the 3rd, and it didn't even leave the warehouse until the 8th.
 
That's REALLY fast.

I paid on the 1st, got tracking on the 3rd, and it didn't even leave the warehouse until the 8th.
It's more likely that your product hadn't reached the US "warehouse" from China when your tracking was provided. Sometimes the label is created weeks before the package ships. My profile icon is an actual label for a package from QSC that was shipped in early November... Still no movement but replaced 2 months later days before they unplugged.
 
It's more likely that your product hadn't reached the US "warehouse" from China when your tracking was provided. Sometimes the label is created weeks before the package ships. My profile icon is an actual label for a package from QSC that was shipped in early November... Still no movement but replaced 2 months later days before they unplugged.

I wish. These are all tracking updates located entirely within a single city in CN.

It went from distribution center, to processing, to something called "warehousing", shipped out...but shipped to--the operation center!

Where is the operation center, you ask? Well, the same place as the distribution center!

7 tracking updates (10 total) and it technically hasn't left the origin point yet. I think they're just tossing the package back and forth, as a form of entertainment, and scanning it randomly during this event.

It's kinda hilarious when I read through the updates.

The tracking is actually insanely detailed for how far the package has traveled so far. I expect to updated by the city block once it gets here.

I'm not sweating it, just posting my experience.
 
(...) 7 tracking updates (10 total) and it technically hasn't left the origin point yet. I think they're just tossing the package back and forth, as a form of entertainment, and scanning it randomly during this event.

Ahh yes, the old fake to the right, flea flicker, reverse pitch, hook and ladder, halfback pass trick. These guys are players, out there tryna fool the customs cops.
(Or, yeah, they're just screwing with us.)
 
Yes they are......
I can see why you're arguing with yourself...
They are not unusable if not stored in a temperature controlled environment before and during shipping.
This is like a math sentence:

They are not unusable if not stored in a temperature controlled environment before and during shipping. (The double negatives cancel)

Common denominator:

You're saying peps are good to go regardless of temp in transit.
 
I ordered on the 11th. Got one FedEx tracking number from CA, one USPS tracking number from NY. Both say still awaiting item.
Tracking on 2nd it didn't leave China till 11th or 12th....next day arrived US. So I'd give it 8 to 10 days before it gets in the US and then another 3 to 5 to clear customs and get to FedEx. HOWEVER yours may have been on the plane with mine on the 12th.
 

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