I took a chance with LSPL

[Fisherman2356]

God speed! Join the testing groups!!

What does that do? I'm tech challenged and navigating through this shit is not being that much fun. So, I'll sit on sidelines for a while and see how it goes.

 

[Fisherman2356]

the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.

OUCH again!

 

[indolent]

OUCH again!

A minor ouchie to save $1000 a month and have better fine-tuned control of your regimen than you would otherwise

 

[BrowsingAbout]

LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.

It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag I needed.

 

[chmuse]

LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.

It's unfortunately really easy to have a second account for that.

 

[BrowsingAbout]

What does that do? I'm tech challenged and navigating through this shit is not being that much fun. So, I'll sit on sidelines for a while and see how it goes.

Testing groups use donor vials and divide the cost of testing so it’s affordable.

 

[indolent]

It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag I needed.

In an ideal world, vendors would test the product only for their own integrity, before putting a batch on the market (or at least before fulfilling any orders. But the public shouldn't put trust in tests they commission, so I'm sort of glad if they stand back and stay out of testing. What they can (but seem not to) do is maintain total separation between batches, with a unique number/color for each...without which any testing is much less valuable.

I don't see why people even seek claim/truth about being manufacturers or not. It's a supply chain, and vendors are fine...if they act appropriately in ensuring product quality and reputation, which is in the interest of each participant in the supply chain. They're then free to focus on marketing/aftermarket support, building reputation, micromanaging logistics and delivery (no small matter), and answering every newbie's (including my own!) stupid questions on multitudinous forums.

 

[nonyabizznez]

OUCH, too late for me. I just placed a fat order over $600 yesterday. Keep the bad news coming guys LOL

Remember the days at Dunkin Donuts when at the entry there was a window on the left where you could watch them make the donuts? Or when you walked into an Olive Garden and they were making homemade pasta at what's now is a bar full of bratty kids?

I think after the zero peps fiasco they know the ruse is over. The donuts and pasta come from a central location and so do our peps.

I bet your order will be just fine.

 

[Airborne Daddy]

OUCH, too late for me. I just placed a fat order over $600 yesterday. Keep the bad news coming guys LOL

265 here lol...