I took a chance with LSPL

indolent said:
the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
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OUCH again!
 
indolent said:
LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
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It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag 🚩I needed.
 
indolent said:
LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
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It's unfortunately really easy to have a second account for that. 😔
 
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BrowsingAbout said:
It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag 🚩I needed.
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In an ideal world, vendors would test the product only for their own integrity, before putting a batch on the market (or at least before fulfilling any orders. But the public shouldn't put trust in tests they commission, so I'm sort of glad if they stand back and stay out of testing. What they can (but seem not to) do is maintain total separation between batches, with a unique number/color for each...without which any testing is much less valuable.

I don't see why people even seek claim/truth about being manufacturers or not. It's a supply chain, and vendors are fine...if they act appropriately in ensuring product quality and reputation, which is in the interest of each participant in the supply chain. They're then free to focus on marketing/aftermarket support, building reputation, micromanaging logistics and delivery (no small matter), and answering every newbie's (including my own!) stupid questions on multitudinous forums.
 
Fisherman2356 said:
OUCH, too late for me. I just placed a fat order over $600 yesterday. Keep the bad news coming guys LOL
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Remember the days at Dunkin Donuts when at the entry there was a window on the left where you could watch them make the donuts? Or when you walked into an Olive Garden and they were making homemade pasta at what's now is a bar full of bratty kids?

I think after the zero peps fiasco they know the ruse is over. The donuts and pasta come from a central location and so do our peps.

I bet your order will be just fine.
 
Fisherman2356 said:
Would be very interesting to know what you are trying to say???? Do you mean illegal soup stock, or illegal stock market 😂 do explain yourself please.
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This confused me too. I assumed what was meant was being immobilized in a very public setting as a method of punishment by humiliation ... which is a violation of the Constitution of the United States of America🇺🇸
 
I just ordered yesterday. $350. Praying it gets to me and good quality! No tracking number yet.
 
EllenRipley said:
I ordered from Ava at LSPL on 2/22. Got my tracking number on 2/25. Received the delivery today, 2/28. Much faster than I expected.
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That's REALLY fast.

I paid on the 1st, got tracking on the 3rd, and it didn't even leave the warehouse until the 8th.
 
Melpo said:
That's REALLY fast.

I paid on the 1st, got tracking on the 3rd, and it didn't even leave the warehouse until the 8th.
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It's more likely that your product hadn't reached the US "warehouse" from China when your tracking was provided. Sometimes the label is created weeks before the package ships. My profile icon is an actual label for a package from QSC that was shipped in early November... Still no movement but replaced 2 months later days before they unplugged.
 
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