Also, you should disclose that you are Cain's alt account.
Nexaph First Purchase - Retatrutide
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noteablequotable
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Can you guys stop making things up? According to your account you're a normal user. The only people who would have access to information that might substantiate a claim like that are the admins/mods and you're definitely NOT one of those.
Mod here. Can’t say for sure that this is the vendor because he learned to use a VPN after his alt account usage was discovered before. It’s just as likely they’re users being driven from other platforms to push the vendor, and not the vendor himself, so IP addresses don’t tell us much anyway.
I can say that there have been a lot of fresh accounts with very kind things to say about nexaph (I haven’t looked closely but last night there were at least two posts like this from different accounts where it was the only message they ever posted) so recommend to anyone hunting for vendors to evaluate the credibility of reviewers when you see them. Thats just last night, there has been a lot of this going on. We will be getting this likely brigading/shillery behavior under control soon. In the meantime just keep your peepers peeled, there is a lot of money at stake and vendors know that the lifetime value of your business is enormous, they’ll go to great lengths to keep you from going elsewhere. And the dishonest ones will do so in a dishonest fashion.
This is the problem with dishonest people, it can be hard to give them the benefit of the doubt when you see questionable behavior.
I see people with super low post counts that have the "Research Expert" badges chime in on random vendors/manufacturers. Seemingly with shill-like behavior.
I also see brand new accounts logging in to say disparaging things about other vendors or members of this forum.
Any well-developed social engineering accounts will be difficult to distinguish from regular activity.
I also see brand new accounts logging in to say disparaging things about other vendors or members of this forum.
Any well-developed social engineering accounts will be difficult to distinguish from regular activity.
The research expert badge is individually granted by Zippity based on his experience with you. I don’t know if he has a checklist of criteria or if it’s vibes, but when you see it it means that he decided to grant it. Low post count probably means it’s someone he has experience with on a different platform. Knowing Zippity I read it as someone he trusts not to be a shill, and who has been around long enough to have developed their own informed opinions, but those might be opinions he disagrees with.
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noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Thank you for the taking steps to protect the community from this kind of activity bee. Very early in my career I worked at a big tech Co and it was my job to identify and quarantine fake accounts. It can be painful and thankless work even when there are clear patterns of behavior that make the accounts easy to identify. It's definitely a full time job.
I understand that Nexaph has earned extra scrutiny and I'm perfectly fine with that, what's upsetting to me is that these accusations, some of which absolutely crumble upon inspection, are damaging my ability to take other forum members seriously. The most valuable thing about forums like this is that even when we can't trust vendors we can trust each other and the experiences we report. It's starting to seem like the people who are overly eager to catch Nexaph doing something bad NOW are "crying wolf" and can't be trusted because they actually hate him too much to be objective. It's damaging their credibility, not his.
I'm not suggesting that anyone stop criticizing the company, I just wish folks would take their foot off the gas a bit and present their concerns with less vitriol and more evidence.
Yeah... then people who are trying to do good for the community are run down because the vendor's "rating" is wrong. And the critics decide it is time to impose their personal set of values on others and resort to ad hominem or other logical fallacies when others are unwilling to adopt the critics personal set of values.
Nothing new here. How many times have you had the best of intentions when warning someone about another just to have it blow up in your face?
People see what they want to see.
I do believe in second chances in most cases. Nexaph seems to deliver good products at good prices. And own up to mistakes such as mislabeling, or purity levels not meeting standards.
@noteablequotable Unlike most vendors nexaph is allowed on the general forum to respond to accusations, so that’s something. Personally i try not to make a habit of unsubstantiated accusation, definitely call me out if you find me doing so. But I also am not prepared to sit back and allow brigading and shillery on the site just because the perpetrator uses a vpn, or is having loyal customers make posts on their behalf, or otherwise makes it hard to prove definitively. There is a certain amount of looking, walking, and quacking like a duck that is hard to overlook, and two users with no prior posts defending a vendor with this history and patterns within hours of one another does fall into that category. This isn’t the first time it’s happened either.
@brentm Just because you don’t want to hear it doesn’t mean it’s an unfair thing to say. This vendor’s dishonest behavior has been divisive, some care some don’t, and that’s ok to discuss and disagree about, but don’t go acting like the nexaph critics have no leg to stand on and are simply throwing ad hominem around, or conversely that the defenders are not guilty of that. I could easily cite quite a few ad hominem attacks coming from your account. This is a tired-ass conversation and I hope it can stop soon. I’m working on making that happen, appreciate if you can do your part in the meantime and stop fanning the flames.
So with all of that said at the moment there isn’t a desire to censor or ban because that MIGHT be an over correction — tbd — so the best I can do is point out the duck when it quacks. It would be negligent not to given what is ostensibly going on here.
@brentm Just because you don’t want to hear it doesn’t mean it’s an unfair thing to say. This vendor’s dishonest behavior has been divisive, some care some don’t, and that’s ok to discuss and disagree about, but don’t go acting like the nexaph critics have no leg to stand on and are simply throwing ad hominem around, or conversely that the defenders are not guilty of that. I could easily cite quite a few ad hominem attacks coming from your account. This is a tired-ass conversation and I hope it can stop soon. I’m working on making that happen, appreciate if you can do your part in the meantime and stop fanning the flames.
So with all of that said at the moment there isn’t a desire to censor or ban because that MIGHT be an over correction — tbd — so the best I can do is point out the duck when it quacks. It would be negligent not to given what is ostensibly going on here.
I think you might be reading more into what I said than I had originally intended. I was more frustrated to see the "spreadsheets" disappear when I thought they added more benefit than any detriment they might have made. But life isn't always fair. And my rose-tinted lenses don't always reflect situations accurately. I am only human.
I did learn, from another source, that the counterfeit OEM pens were pre-loaded with gray market meds and then sold. Something I didn't gather or completely understand in your original alert. I learned this from another resource I don't see here.
So overall I appreciate the information and do want to hear it. When asked, I tell people I purchased from them in the past. And I always include an asterisk that there is controversy surrounding them. And to do your own due diligence.
I'll stop "fanning the flames".
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I agree. If there is good evidence that that Nexaph is using fake accounts they should be called out for that, but there wasn't when the accusation was made. It's possible that those posts really were from new users, but it's also possible that they were fake accounts commissioned by Nexaph or a competitor of theirs who smells blood in the water. There's no easy way to tell, but a user blurting it out with no support isn't helpful and may actually make the activity harder to spot in the future because you let someone know their behavior is suspicious (just use the report button folks). Based on my experience the best thing to do is monitor the behavior of those accounts over time for specific things (I'll dm you some thoughts in case there really is an effort to brigade).
I wasn't thinking about you when I mentioned wild accusations, it was specifically the claim about fake accounts and then the suggestion they may have doctored a COA because it wasn't listed on Janoshik's site (quickly disproven by an actual buyer). That kind of stuff isn't useful to other forum members and it's also annoying so I wish people would stop before it escalates into something so absurd it creates a rift in the community.
msorganized01
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Hello sir,
Have you used this batch yet? If you don't mind sharing your experience as far as efficacy? Have you always been on the Ret or did you switch from Terz to this? Thanks so much!
Definitely just a new user trying to navigate. Thanks for the warm welcome though. If I have done something to offend, I sincerely apologize. If this is not the appropriate place/forum/venue to learn, can you please suggest a more appropriate platform? I had, until now, really appreciated and enjoyed learning from everyone here.
Alrighty, looks like this thread has run its course, I’m pulling the plug on it. This whole thing began as an order review, but has transformed into something different and much uglier, and it’s time to shut ‘er down. OP now has a forum of his own so is free to repost the review there if he has more to add, it can be found at qualligator.com
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