Nexaph Reta 12 mg - neon green cap under- performing 89-92 % re-testing

exploitedworkerbee said:
1. Do these suppliers even do QC in China? The bad batches seem to mostly get discovered by 3rd party testing, possible I just don’t have line of sight there though
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I'm going off what Zippity said in the pist linked above, and he thinks its common. I've seen the concept brought up more in discord land as well.

exploitedworkerbee said:
2. Even though I don’t think he is especially smart, even baba would recognize that it would be problematic to sell known bad peptides with a purity guarantee. The guy has been in the testing servers for a long time and is well aware that people will be doing post-sale tests
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But again, if he gets them cheap enough it still could work out. Also if he tests them quickly enough, it won't be apparent immediately. Most domestic peptide business don't last more than a year or so and it takes time for issues like this to come out. Plenty of profit to make before people get wise and by then something else could shut them down.

exploitedworkerbee said:
3. Sitting around waiting for a bad batch of whatever to come along doesn’t seem like a very good business model.
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But it's consistent with the constant out of stock issues they have.

Overall I do think alot of money could be made with a QC fails approach and it would require alot less effort than a diy homebrew lypho operation with similar profits.
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
I'm going off what Zippity said in the pist linked above, and he thinks its common. I've seen the concept brought up more in discord land as well.


But again, if he gets them cheap enough it still could work out. Also if he tests them quickly enough, it won't be apparent immediately. Most domestic peptide business don't last more than a year or so and it takes time for issues like this to come out. Plenty of profit to make before people get wise and by then something else could shut them down.


But it's consistent with the constant out of stock issues they have.

Overall I do think alot of money could be made with a QC fails approach and it would require alot less effort than a diy homebrew lypho operation with similar profits.
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🤔 gotta open a peptide shop at the local outlet mall next to the Nordstrom Rack
 
The QC fails seems hard to believe because they replace the entire batch and have had to do this more than once. If the QC failed factory sells you cheap knowing its failed I doubt the factory replaces his kits for free. So he ends up paying for that.

I guess it depends how cheap we're talking too. Also hes technically not operating like a domestic vendor at this point. Everything lately is a prebuy. He can just as easily be using the presale money to hit a MOQ and order in bulk from any vendor. His prices are higher than china prices still. They're just cheaper than domestic single vial companies.
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
I'm going off what Zippity said in the pist linked above, and he thinks its common. I've seen the concept brought up more in discord land as well.


But again, if he gets them cheap enough it still could work out. Also if he tests them quickly enough, it won't be apparent immediately. Most domestic peptide business don't last more than a year or so and it takes time for issues like this to come out. Plenty of profit to make before people get wise and by then something else could shut them down.


But it's consistent with the constant out of stock issues they have.

Overall I do think alot of money could be made with a QC fails approach and it would require alot less effort than a diy homebrew lypho operation with similar profits.
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When you say QC , what are you abbreviating? thanks :)
 
Vicki said:
The QC fails seems hard to believe because they replace the entire batch and have had to do this more than once. If the QC failed factory sells you cheap knowing its failed I doubt the factory replaces his kits for free. So he ends up paying for that.

I guess it depends how cheap we're talking too. Also hes technically not operating like a domestic vendor at this point. Everything lately is a prebuy. He can just as easily be using the presale money to hit a MOQ and order in bulk from any vendor. His prices are higher than china prices still. They're just cheaper than domestic single vial companies.
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This is my thinking as well. Group buys let's him purchase at the MOQ's using other peoples money. He typically charges about 1.5x CN vendor pricing and if he is making buy of 100 kits or more his pricing could be a lot better. Then he sometimes buys a couple of dozen extra kits to sell on his site, also using the pre-buy money. His costs are fairly low, $500 for a Jano test of three vials, shipping costs and whatever the site costs him to run. I think his product tests too well to be QC rejects. I may be. biased (or hopeful?) though because I have his kits in my freezer.
 
Vicki said:
The QC fails seems hard to believe because they replace the entire batch and have had to do this more than once. If the QC failed factory sells you cheap knowing its failed I doubt the factory replaces his kits for free. So he ends up paying for that.

I guess it depends how cheap we're talking too. Also hes technically not operating like a domestic vendor at this point. Everything lately is a prebuy. He can just as easily be using the presale money to hit a MOQ and order in bulk from any vendor. His prices are higher than china prices still. They're just cheaper than domestic single vial companies.
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That theory would explain why Cain is now stating that 98% purity is his new standard of acceptability .... is another reason for me not to buy from him till he clears up what's going on...
 
GimmeABreak said:
This is my thinking as well. Group buys let's him purchase at the MOQ's using other peoples money. He typically charges about 1.5x CN vendor pricing and if he is making buy of 100 kits or more his pricing could be a lot better. Then he sometimes buys a couple of dozen extra kits to sell on his site, also using the pre-buy money. His costs are fairly low, $500 for a Jano test of three vials, shipping costs and whatever the site costs him to run. I think his product tests too well to be QC rejects. I may be. biased (or hopeful?) though because I have his kits in my freezer.
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But how do you account for all the problems with the products? I don't know of any Chinese factories that can't even consistently attach the caps correctly. This type of thing isn't typical of regular products.

And if he is ordering regular products in bulk WHY is he constantly running out of stock? He would be shooting himself in the foot by missing out on demand if all he has to do is order more. Alot of missed profit if that were the case.

Also prices for glps are a bit higher than China prices, but the non glps are neck and neck with China prices on the higher side (ASC is comparable price wise).

And regarding purity, the percentage should start high if using good raws, so if the test is done quickly it will come back fine. It's only once it's tested after a while that the degradation issue is apparent. This type of issue would take time to uncover, which seems to be happening now.
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
But how do you account for all the problems with the products? I don't know of any Chinese factories that can't even consistently attach the caps correctly. This type of thing isn't typical of regular products.

And if he is ordering regular products in bulk WHY is he constantly running out of stock? He would be shooting himself in the foot by missing out on demand if all he has to do is order more. Alot of missed profit if that were the case.

Also prices for glps are a bit higher than China prices, but the non glps are neck and neck with China prices on the higher side (ASC is comparable price wise).

And regarding purity, the percentage should start high if using good raws, so if the test is done quickly it will come back fine. It's only once it's tested after a while that the degradation issue is apparent. This type of issue would take time to uncover, which seems to be happening now.
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These are the reasons I think he might be homebrewing at least some of the stuff. Nobody seems to believe thats possible though.
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
But how do you account for all the problems with the products? I don't know of any Chinese factories that can't even consistently attach the caps correctly. This type of thing isn't typical of regular products.

And if he is ordering regular products in bulk WHY is he constantly running out of stock? He would be shooting himself in the foot by missing out on demand if all he has to do is order more. Alot of missed profit if that were the case.

Also prices for glps are a bit higher than China prices, but the non glps are neck and neck with China prices on the higher side (ASC is comparable price wise).

And regarding purity, the percentage should start high if using good raws, so if the test is done quickly it will come back fine. It's only once it's tested after a while that the degradation issue is apparent. This type of issue would take time to uncover, which seems to be happening now.
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Well, I am in a different industry than this.. but I can tell you... I have a bearing size I buy 10-15K a year for a certain customer from the same factory for the last 15 years. About 5 years ago I get an email from my customer that the c clips were not attached properly and they are falling off with the shields. I can't imagine as we have been supplying these for 10 years.. same factory, right? Well, I contact my agent, she contacts QC... and she thanks me and tells me a part on their machine in manufacturing is "broken". At this point.. do I believe them or not? Did "their" machine really have a discrepancy or are they buying from another manufacturer? They sent me another correct 10K relatively quick.

My point? Even if you go to China and inspect their facilities... in my industry, and all the rest, are extremely incestuous. They all make parts for each other, buy things from each other, etc. Hell, when I worked for a "domestic" manufacturer back in the day, we sold millions of dollars of green rings to a "domestic" manufacturer (our competitor) in MO from our Chinese joint venture. I know I have been doing business with the same 3-4 factories for the last 20+ years. I could buy products cheaper elsewhere but I have had ONE incident in all of this time. Do I believe everything they tell me? No.. because I know how they operate.
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
But how do you account for all the problems with the products? I don't know of any Chinese factories that can't even consistently attach the caps correctly. This type of thing isn't typical of regular products.

And if he is ordering regular products in bulk WHY is he constantly running out of stock? He would be shooting himself in the foot by missing out on demand if all he has to do is order more. Alot of missed profit if that were the case.

Also prices for glps are a bit higher than China prices, but the non glps are neck and neck with China prices on the higher side (ASC is comparable price wise).

And regarding purity, the percentage should start high if using good raws, so if the test is done quickly it will come back fine. It's only once it's tested after a while that the degradation issue is apparent. This type of issue would take time to uncover, which seems to be happening now.
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I wonder how many crimp jobs are done using child labor.
 
Cain just put out a presale for Tesa and I don’t know if it is just me, but it looks like his prices are going up. Has anyone tracked this?
 
The full results that Sabrina F worked on for over a week (our testing group paid for the tests and paid for the vials, but her work was volunteered, a gift to us) was 6 mb and too big to upload here. If you are interested in seeing some of the results you can join the "Full Spectrum Testing server" on discord. Her tests are in a google folder that are shared in the server. Currently up for testing are Mots-C from several vendors, the GYC 40 mg Tirze and NAD+ from several vendors. Here is an invite link if you are interested: https://discord.gg/yguV4haC
 
nccane said:
Buying it from nexaph and following it up with a numega test result.

Really questioning the general publics decision making at this point.
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It was throw-away Reta. If the test showed that there was no additional degradation it might have been free, usable Reta. Why not throw in a couple of bucks to see?

Also, purchased from a Raven GB that happened to be with the same supplier as Cain or maybe it was purchased through Cain, not sure at this point.
 
morganite said:
The full results that Sabrina F worked on for over a week (our testing group paid for the tests and paid for the vials, but her work was volunteered, a gift to us) was 6 mb and too big to upload here. If you are interested in seeing some of the results you can join the "Full Spectrum Testing server" on discord. Her tests are in a google folder that are shared in the server. Currently up for testing are Mots-C from several vendors, the GYC 40 mg Tirze and NAD+ from several vendors. Here is an invite link if you are interested: https://discord.gg/yguV4haC
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I'm not following, what is Sabrina's relationship with this lab?

Because you've said she worked on these results for over a week, unpaid.
But Sabrina said this wasn't her lab nor was she affiliated with it.


This feels shady, I'm hoping there's a reasonable explanation.
 
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