paypal just took me for $400

[peptideusername]

Thank you for the info - there's a lot of complaining noise on here around a few vendors, so it's sometimes difficult to determine if people just had problems like slow delivery, bad comms, or got completely fucked by a particular vendor.

(Also the OP just seems to have done it wrong by not putting an abstraction between Paypal and the vendor.)

I suggest finding information on other platforms like discord and Peppys. You're not going to get a bigger picture view of things if you're only staying here.

And yes, that abstraction you mentioned is a self-custodial wallet. It's a wallet that isn't beholden to an exchange like PayPal, Cashapp, Kraken or Strike.

 

[noggin]

People can do what they choose with their money but I find the idea of not purchasing peptides from SRY because a different arm of the company created opioids to be a little virtue signal-esque. Johnson and Johnson used to produce opioids, does that mean you'll never use Tylenol again? If you think there's a personal risk involved then sure don't buy but I think this whole PR nightmare has made SRY customer service better and the products cheaper.

 

[zpped]

Thank you for the info - there's a lot of complaining noise on here around a few vendors, so it's sometimes difficult to determine if people just had problems like slow delivery, bad comms, or got completely fucked by a particular vendor.

(Also the OP just seems to have done it wrong by not putting an abstraction between Paypal and the vendor.)

Yeah OP's problem isn't unique to SRY. But I don't know of any vendor that is bad mouthed around here for not a good reason.

 

[zpped]

People can do what they choose with their money but I find the idea of not purchasing peptides from SRY because a different arm of the company created opioids to be a little virtue signal-esque. Johnson and Johnson used to produce opioids, does that mean you'll never use Tylenol again? If you think there's a personal risk involved then sure don't buy but I think this whole PR nightmare has made SRY customer service better and the products cheaper.

Everyone has their own moral line. But legally producing a drug that has real legitimate use and was abused is not the same thing as illegally selling that drug on the black market.

 

[stickfigure]

Not to mention the synthetic opioid in SRY indictment has no legitimate medical use - it's only use is to cut drugs which kill americans.

 

[keangkong]

Everyone has their own moral line. But legally producing a drug that has real legitimate use and was abused is not the same thing as illegally selling that drug on the black market.

Agreed. Would I avoid SRY because of what they appear to have done? I'm not sure. But I have no problem understanding why someone would avoid them. These synthetic opiates are killing more people than other illegal drugs have killed Americans in the past.

 

[noggin]

Everyone has their own moral line. But legally producing a drug that has real legitimate use and was abused is not the same thing as illegally selling that drug on the black market.

I think you make a good point that there absolutely is a difference. One is legal and one is illegal and those that draw their moral line between legal distribution of opioids and illegal should rightfully stay away from SRY. My concern is that many are conflating the difference between legal and illegal with the actual harm caused. Illegal distribution of these opioids will absolutely harm people, but those who access them are likely already addicted and will get their hands on it one way or another, SRY or not. On the other hand legal distribution in my view causes much more harm as it's introducing otherwise unknowing people into potential opioid addictions. It's unfair to say that just because it's legal it is less harmful when there is reason to believe that's not the case.

 

[stickfigure]

Most people who buy illegal drugs in the US don't want fentanyl or some other synthetic opioid cut in their drugs, so the notion that they will buy opioids elsewhere is flawed.

 

[peptideusername]

I think you make a good point that there absolutely is a difference. One is legal and one is illegal and those that draw their moral line between legal distribution of opioids and illegal should rightfully stay away from SRY. My concern is that many are conflating the difference between legal and illegal with the actual harm caused. Illegal distribution of these opioids will absolutely harm people, but those who access them are likely already addicted and will get their hands on it one way or another, SRY or not. On the other hand legal distribution in my view causes much more harm as it's introducing otherwise unknowing people into potential opioid addictions. It's unfair to say that just because it's legal it is less harmful when there is reason to believe that's not the case.

I really don't understand your angle here. "Drugs addicts are drug addicts so who cares if they get sold something that will kill them, since it's already illegal and they're already addicted"?
That's a scary perspective.

The opioid epidemic is well known and the prescription of these drugs has dried up considerably. So when they can't access (safer) legal opioids, whether prescribed or purchased from a dealer, addicted persons end up turning to the black market. Guess what's there? Fentanyl made with ingredients like SRY is selling.

Your reasoning leads me to believe that you haven't encountered drug addiction first or second hand. Harm reduction is the name of the game with addicts, and being flippant about anyone that sells fent ingredients is the opposite of harm reduction.

 

[zpped]

I think you make a good point that there absolutely is a difference. One is legal and one is illegal and those that draw their moral line between legal distribution of opioids and illegal should rightfully stay away from SRY. My concern is that many are conflating the difference between legal and illegal with the actual harm caused. Illegal distribution of these opioids will absolutely harm people, but those who access them are likely already addicted and will get their hands on it one way or another, SRY or not. On the other hand legal distribution in my view causes much more harm as it's introducing otherwise unknowing people into potential opioid addictions. It's unfair to say that just because it's legal it is less harmful when there is reason to believe that's not the case.

You imagined a line that isn't the same one someone else might have. You don't have that line and it seems you have trouble imagining a different one. But you are arguing against something that no one said.

Someone's line might be that. It might also be that supplying a drug for to people that need it (and some people that don't end up with it) and selling the drug directly to addicts.

 

[Bettyd48]

I send crypto from my CashApp wallet. Is that also as risky as pay pal?

Yes. Some cashapp accounts have been flagged. People send from cashapp to other wallets to
Be safe

 

[noggin]

I really don't understand your angle here. "Drugs addicts are drug addicts so who cares if they get sold something that will kill them, since it's already illegal and they're already addicted"?
That's a scary perspective.

The opioid epidemic is well known and the prescription of these drugs has dried up considerably. So when they can't access (safer) legal opioids, whether prescribed or purchased from a dealer, addicted persons end up turning to the black market. Guess what's there? Fentanyl made with ingredients like SRY is selling.

Your reasoning leads me to believe that you haven't encountered drug addiction first or second hand. Harm reduction is the name of the game with addicts, and being flippant about anyone that sells fent ingredients is the opposite of harm reduction.

Sorry if my point wasn't clear, it's definitely not that we shouldn't care about addicts going to the black market or the negative effects of the black market, these are real suffering people who deserve empathy. My point is that the black market is an opportunistic market that will find replacements as soon as one company is no longer producing. If SRY shrivels up and dies absolutely nothing changes and not a life is saved. The same isn't true about prescription opioids where if Purdue never would have existed a large part of the opioid crisis would have been fully averted, vs if the largest black market opioid producer never existed not much would be different (we learned a lot of this from the war on drugs)
As @zpped mentioned there's definitely other moral perspectives than legality and utilitarianism from which to look at this but personally I see the most reasonable to be the utilitarian view where I'd like to minimize harm, and I don't see boycotting purchases from SRY to be in-effect saving any lives.

 

[peptideusername]

Sorry if my point wasn't clear, it's definitely not that we shouldn't care about addicts going to the black market or the negative effects of the black market, these are real suffering people who deserve empathy. My point is that the black market is an opportunistic market that will find replacements as soon as one company is no longer producing. If SRY shrivels up and dies absolutely nothing changes and not a life is saved. The same isn't true about prescription opioids where if Purdue never would have existed a large part of the opioid crisis would have been fully averted, vs if the largest black market opioid producer never existed not much would be different (we learned a lot of this from the war on drugs)
As @zpped mentioned there's definitely other moral perspectives than legality and utilitarianism from which to look at this but personally I see the most reasonable to be the utilitarian view where I'd like to minimize harm, and I don't see boycotting purchases from SRY to be in-effect saving any lives.

well maybe you can jump in your Time Machine and go back to the 90s and stop the opioid epidemic from happening!

Or maybe we can all live in the same timeline where that toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. I'm not sure why you're stanning for SRY but your reasoning seems oblivious to the real world, and I'm not really interested in furthering this deliberation. Thanks for your input.

 

[Sunflower]

Yes. Some cashapp accounts have been flagged. People send from cashapp to other wallets to
Be safe

Thanks for the heads up. I found a tutorial for sending $ from PayPal to Exodus wallet. Do you use Exodus or know if I can buy BTC on Cashapp (as usual), send to Exodus, and pay the vendor without extra fees? Or is there a more efficient way to use Exodus?

 

[zpped]

Thanks for the heads up. I found a tutorial for sending $ from PayPal to Exodus wallet. Do you use Exodus or know if I can buy BTC on Cashapp (as usual), send to Exodus, and pay the vendor without extra fees? Or is there a more efficient way to use Exodus?

Exodus is a popular choice.

You can buy btc on cashapp and send to eodus, but there is a small fee for transferring it. BTC shouldn't be your top choice for these transactions because it is so much more volatile and has higher transfer fees. preferably something like usdt.

 

[hexagonal]

well maybe you can jump in your Time Machine and go back to the 90s and stop the opioid epidemic from happening!

Or maybe we can all live in the same timeline where that toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. I'm not sure why you're stanning for SRY but your reasoning seems oblivious to the real world, and I'm not really interested in furthering this deliberation. Thanks for your input.

I think he's largely just pointing out that we're purchasing drugs through people that are happy to take advantage of the system to sell them to us - every single vendor knows we're injecting this shit and not using it for research purposes. You can maybe make the case that this is moral and ethical for things that are through clinical trials, but a lot of what's for sale by every single vendor is potentially wildly dangerous for human use - we don't know for sure because we don't have clinical studies. Hell, you can buy DNP from QSC - that's an easy one to get wrong and kill yourself just as fast as a drug overdose.

Basically none of us are doing in depth research on who all these companies are, who owns them, what other subsidiaries are owned by the same people, etc. We have no idea how many companies are making opioid precursors and analogs - certainly many more than in the indictment. If you want to avoid SRY because there is a known link, go for it, but frankly, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if every vendor on here is connected in some way to companies that have helped facilitate the continued opioid pandemic. I'd bet money that more are involved than just SRY.

Drug dealers deal drugs. This is axiomatically true. I've not purchased from SRY, I have no plan to purchase from SRY, but I don't think any of us are in a position to moralize about the drug trade when we are all almost certainly contributing to it in some fashion.

 

[noggin]

I think he's largely just pointing out that we're purchasing drugs through people that are happy to take advantage of the system to sell them to us - every single vendor knows we're injecting this shit and not using it for research purposes. You can maybe make the case that this is moral and ethical for things that are through clinical trials, but a lot of what's for sale by every single vendor is potentially wildly dangerous for human use - we don't know for sure because we don't have clinical studies. Hell, you can buy DNP from QSC - that's an easy one to get wrong and kill yourself just as fast as a drug overdose.

Basically none of us are doing in depth research on who all these companies are, who owns them, what other subsidiaries are owned by the same people, etc. We have no idea how many companies are making opioid precursors and analogs - certainly many more than in the indictment. If you want to avoid SRY because there is a known link, go for it, but frankly, I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if every vendor on here is connected in some way to companies that have helped facilitate the continued opioid pandemic. I'd bet money that more are involved than just SRY.

Drug dealers deal drugs. This is axiomatically true. I've not purchased from SRY, I have no plan to purchase from SRY, but I don't think any of us are in a position to moralize about the drug trade when we are all almost certainly contributing to it in some fashion.

Thank you hexagonal, this pretty much echos my point but worded a lot better than I did. We're not legally purchasing drugs and using them under a doctor's supervision. It's seems oxymoronic to be making moral panic about illegal drug companies supplying other illegal drugs. If you want to take the legality argument then you should be purchasing Tirz from Eli Lilly, and if you want to go the moral route then the only option is to not use peptides at all. Boycotting SRY over this indictment is just a reactionary feel-good stance to take.

 

[zpped]

It's perfectly fine to have that perspective. But it's weird you're both incapable of understanding others might draw a line between personal danger of peptides and the societal epidemic of opioids.

 

[glpfun]

The original concerns were about cross contamination I think, an additional concern about morality is getting conflated with the original concern a bit.