You can see much of how it unfolded here:
Ha. That'll get you every time if you're trying to play games. Seems he's got a happy customer base at this point and is treating customers fairly. Think he learned his lesson and is trying to play straight now?
And that's why people who've been around longer are so important, I only joined in October so my memory and information base isn't as big as yours.
He's proven to be very good at viral marketing. He does giveaways and such which are marketing activities, but framed as "giving back to the community," causing entire forums to simp for him even when there is a stream of hiccups such as a series of bad batches and shifting to a group buy model (as evidenced by the whole "pick the cap color!" thing on the "pre-buy" he posted here yesterday). On certain forums you'll find people praising and thanking him for selling them their peptides, seemingly forgetting he's in this for profit. Just wait, they'll come out of the woodwork here shortly and say that people just have an "axe to grind," ignoring any of the substance of what was said above. The whole thing is distasteful at best.
Tirzreddit people will put up with anything to use their credit card.
Well, from a pure and unemotional business perspective, he has found a hole in the market. He's more expensive than sourcing direct from China, easier for most to deal with regarding long lead times, communication, etc., and he's far less expensive than most if not all the US resellers. I'm right there with you about it being distasteful, and I wouldn't do that. But, I am a hardcore student of business as well and have seen firsthand this and other distasteful stuff happen in very profitable businesses. To varying degrees, I think owning and running a business extracts that from a person. In what I do, I see it everyday. It's a very "grey" area.....pun intended.
Yep, I won't dispute that the guy is making money. It's unfortunate that he is doing it in such a manipulative manner. Tricking people into thinking you're doing them a favor to extract money from them really rubs me the wrong way, but indeed it's effective. I'm not critiquing his business sense, as his bank account is not something I'm particularly concerned about.
Fair point and appreciate the honesty in which you are moderating this....and the backstory. Places like this need to adhere to principles or else they are no good to anyone. Thank you.
since you are telling people that cain is not trustworthy how about adding QSC or ASC how they are some of the most trusted people on here that just outright scammed people out of alot of product.
I'm new to this site but thought I did see some info about QSC and ASC? Not defending in any way. It's tough to keep up with all this because it's spread out over time. Also, when buying direct from China, the more reputable ones use PayPal. That can be tied to a card, so there's protection. Yes, there's an additional transaction fee but I'm ok with that for the peace of mind.
its a cat and mouse game if you find good product buy it and save it while you can because the next day in this business is never a for sure thing. Ive had brokers that went years no problems then overnight nothing. I dont hold it personal its just business and i move on with my next broker.
100%. I am a little indifferent about all this from the standpoint that I buy "legit" stuff from China regularly for my business. So, I'm used to communicating with them, how they operate, etc. I don't wait for something to happen. If I smell something funny, I find another source.
The evidence doesn't point to QSC having scammed anyone; they appear to have been busted. If you’re as old school as you say you are then you ought to understand and appreciate the distinction. If Nexa gets busted and Baba is sitting in jail, you shouldn't expect to receive outstanding orders either. That's a risk you take with every single vendor.
And he stated in a vendor post on another platform that Nexaph:
Well damn. That is quite the smoking gun. Much different than just using Chinese name. How long ago was that? Is that post still up?
Post is still up on Peppy’s under “Vendor Posts”
I've heard of that but not on that forum. Where is that?
this feels like whataboutism. just because someone mentions they think one vendor is untrustworthy doesn't mean they automatically have to mention every other vendor they've deemed untrustworthy. multiple vendors can be untrustworthy at the same time, and they're discussed in the relevant threads about them.
This forum is bias against cain so you wont find many people trying to stand up for him or have ordered and tested his product personally. But a few of us have bought from him no problems
…. Did I call that one or what? Not engaging on the substance, just saying it’s bias that came to exist for no apparent reason.
