raw_oyster_eater
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I feel like a number of people are mothering me again. Ok I promise not to use DNP. And I'll eat my fucking vegetables.
I'm going to shoot for losing 100 pounds in 6 months
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🤣😈 yes the story behind discovery of fat burning effects of DNP looks similar, workers in a factory exposed to DNP were found death with ZERO body fat ...
you are too paranoid, bro
we just discuss the substance ...
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
You don't do dry humor in Malaysia? I couldn't care less. Please keep the comments coming. It's helping me.
This is the closest I'll ever get to breaking bad.
So i've got a touch of gout in my big toe, i think from injecting that fake lemon bottle. I dare not tell my wife at the risk of really getting my balls busted.
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It is something I do manually and completely at random.
wow random, so its like I won a lottery!
I have to be now even more careful with my comments, btw. I think @dionysos should get the tag as he is the most active and helpful member here so far
Im just somebody who has history of steroids and peptides use and did study together with my wife for degree in nursing science, if that makes one "expert" 😉
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
i'd like to get some recommendations. Don't do it doesn't count.
A cazillion guys are going to these clinics for TRT. I don't see how a little of that would hurt.
I have already suggested I think 2 times steroids here, so I will not tell you not to do it, risks are there of course and you have to do your own research first, but what im suggesting for weight loss is the safest steroid around - Oxandrolone or maybe better use SARMS - Ostarine, Ostarine is even under research to be used with Semaglutide to prevent muscle loss. Anyway back to practical tips: get on TRT first and then add low dose Oxandrolone or low dose Ostarine, or you can combine both, since its you, the bravest lab rat around! 😉 (just kidding OK)
By low dose I mean 10mg daily for both, Oxandrolone maybe can push up to 10mg 2x daily, take it for lets say 2 months max, after 1 month off, watch your liver blood tests while on.
If you are serious about it, you should also get a second opinion from @Bacchus
What I was doing was TRT with dose a little over the limit (150mg/week) + Oxandrolone 10mg 2x daily 6 weeks on and 1 month off. Right now I took a break from TRT to restore my natural test (its already back, I was on HCG the whole time) and im right now on Ostarine 10mg daily
EDIT: you mention before you have enlarge prostate, so you will have to take DHT blocker, dutasteride is the best, but do some more research and again @Bacchus can probably give you some tips too
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What are you trying to achieve with steroids at this time? muscle retention?
Why not pursue TRT treatment through a medical provider until you're in a healthy place (bloodwork is good, weight has come off)? I may have missed in this novella if you actually have low testosterone that would qualify for TRT.
The risks associated with steroids don't play well with the health risks you already have.
Probably because he has an enlarged prostate, (and more importantly) an eGFR of ~40 and blood in his urine.
so the solution is steroids? 🤔 (not saying you think this)
Generally it wouldn’t really hurt very much. But I would tread carefully since you already have a few minor complications.
If your free testosterone is low, a small dose could be helpful - But as Tomes pointed out, there should be a specific purpose for everything you take. If you don’t have have any symptoms of low T, or if you don’t hit the gym/exercise at least 3-5 days a week - I’d say the risk/reward for your purpose might not be worth it.
My biggest concern in your case would be aromatase, which could counteract any benefits for the purpose of losing fat/cause side effects.
In conclusion, I would recommend getting blood work done before you consider it. If your free T isn’t low, I would probably not add testosterone.
As @milos mentioned, anavar is a better fit for your purpose. 10-20mg per day (the damage from Anavar can more or less be compared to drinking a beer per 10mg). If you do though, you should check your T every 4-6 weeks and make sure it’s not getting suppressed, though it’s unlikely to be at that dose. I’d also test BP regularly.
i don’t have much to add to this, it’s a good and safe approach.
Adding an AI could have its benefits, but it can be a bit of a double edged sword as it takes some experience to regulate your estro “by feel” - and the effects of AIs can be quite reduced if your body fat is high.
If adding T, I would probably do a shorter ester and more frequent injections in order to minimize aromatase and quickly get it out of your system if you experience any side effects.
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
I'm just trying to figure out how to feel good while I'm losing weight. I started the tesa and did some crunches (just a few hundred not really working that hard) and my stomach felt rock hard. I've never experienced that before. Now on my second week I can't get that back. I don't know if I'm not eating enough, or my pit gland just fell off and can't produce the hormone. If HGH can give me that back, I want to do it.
I also have HCG coming. I read some scare stuff on reddit where they're saying it could be contaminated with mad cow disease. Is that fear mongering?
I also have HCG coming. I read some scare stuff on reddit where they're saying it could be contaminated with mad cow disease. Is that fear mongering?
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
I feel like there is too much ado about my kidney function. It did the same thing last time I had a stone and bounced right back.
its not a solution for sure, he just said don't tell me don't do it ... so I gave him suggestion, better than if he goes to reddit and reads about high dose Trenbolone ...
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I miss the point about aromatase, its a good logical point! That's why I ask for your input! Thanks ...
Also @Dee X made a very good point
but if he really wants to take everything possible that can help him with his goal, which he already does anyway, steroids will certainly help with weight loss while preserving muscle mass.
We are not doctors, but you see our concerns before about your kidney function were right.
zpped
Advanced Researcher
He also isn't interested in putting in the work to preserve muscle.
Judging by how many people use HCG and how many cases there were s of mad cow disease… Pure fear mongering and total bs.
HgH’s effect for both fat loss and muscle building is exaggerated in my opinion - unless you have a synergistic effect from testo and/or other steroids - in addition to a lot more than a medical dose.
Don’t get me wrong, it has effect and it works, but not instantly with shocking results.
If you want shocking and quick results, you also got to abuse your body quite harshly… That’s just how it is.
As for feeling good, it’s probably not the answer you want. But from dealing with bodydismorphia and frustration over results being slow - taking dosages of stuff that are far from sane and being told by several doctors that I have won the lottery considering the lack of severe side effects…
The answer is to find a way to be content, be happy about improving and let things take time.
Reaching a specific arbitrary goal, isn’t really going to make any difference at all 🤷♂️
This comment made me think of my friend (now in his late 50's)...He literally drinks a 5th of whiskey a day...no kidding. Only drinks at night when he gets home from work and never misses a day of work in decades. Liver and all other blood work comes back good every time. I tell him all the time he is one lucky SOB. I tell him he won the lottery when it comes to internal organs. I know someday his luck will run out. We had another friend who drank 1/2 as much and died in late 40's from liver failure (bad organ lottery for him).
The problem is you never know what ticket you got until it's too late!
I never drink or smoke...Whenever I go to the doctor and they asked the questions about drinking/smoking I always say, "No, No, I'm obese! I CAN'T afford to have any other bad habits!"
I am glad you are a member here, Revo. I heart NPs.
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Thanks. I enjoy it. 22 years so far as an RN… 15 of them as an NP. Unfortunately have witness many inappropriate uses of Testosterone and the consequences both illicit and by providers…. Had my first Overdose of monjaro 2 weeks ago ….. 2 liters of Fluid, zofran and toradol made them better…. Was interesting…… kidneys took a hit too due to dehydration
Thanks. I enjoy it. 22 years so far as an RN… 15 of them as an NP. Unfortunately have witness many inappropriate uses of Testosterone and the consequences both illicit and by providers…. Had my first Overdose of monjaro 2 weeks ago ….. 2 liters of Fluid, zofran and toradol made them better…. Was interesting…… kidneys took a hit too due to dehydration
zpped
Advanced Researcher
Thought this guy is relevant. He pushed it pretty extreme, lost 150lbs while keeping most muscle possible. Used a trt clinic, peptides, quit his job and worked out 3 times a day for a year.
As a 20+ year member of AA (and NA), I could not agree with you more 😔
Great to hear your success!
If you don't mind me asking I am wondering if you have noticed any help/relief with those addictions while taking glp1 meds. I believe I have seen this mentioned somewhere.
I have a niece who really needs to loose weight and also has a severe alcohol issue (falling down/passing out level) but isn't ready to get help...I've casually mentioned glp1 meds to her. Wondering if the glp1's might also be a "backdoor" that ends up helping her with both if she tries them. I'm pretty sure she didn't win the good organ lottery. Sadly not sure she will make it another 10 years the way she is going...🙁
No, I don't mind your question 🙂
I am very sorry to hear about your niece. She is certainly not headed toward a happy future, and she must be suffering very much, whether she is able to admit it or not.
In my own particular case, my drug and alcohol addictions were lifted two decades ago solely through the 12-step program. But I have read many, many posts on the various Reddit tirz/sema subs which convey how their desire to drink is gone. Some normal drinkers actually complain about it, lol. But the people who had long been secretly wishing they could stop seem ... awestruck that they have lost their desire for it.
Much could be said about how this medication would not be a permanent solution for alcoholism, that there are deeper issues and behaviors that need changing… people say that about people losing weight on the GLP drugs, right?
I don't disagree…but I do think that a person who is starting to feel better about themselves — by not drinking, by losing weight, by maybe feeling some hope after a long time — has a better chance of seeing things a different way, and being able/willing to take even more steps towards a happier future. 🙏🏻
SLZRdad
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How’s the weight loss going?
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
218 so I have 45 to go with only 3.5 months left. I don't think I'm going to make it but that's OK. I don't look pregnant in a t-shirt anymore so I'm already very pleased.
I am finding the cagri works the best for me. It's best at suppressing appetite and doesn't make my heart rate go to 120 bpm.
SLZRdad
New Member
What were you taking before?(sry if you already said previously)
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
We've been kicking a lot of options around, none of which have been implemented yet. I do have HGH, HCG, Testosterone C and a few mild steroids ordered. And I started tesamorelin recently that is supposed to target deep fat in the stomach. Too early to tell if it's doing anything.
There was an issue with high creatinine in my last blood test. I just ordered a portable meter to keep a close eye on it. It also does uric acid and urea.
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There is not a single post on this unbelievably long mega thread that has made me happy like this one.
For just a second it felt like I could breathe again, reading between the lines that you have reached a place where you yourself could relax a little and breeeeeathe. Where you could see how awesome you are doing and how time will take care of everything like it is already doing. And maybe, just maybe you could stop your relentless march to your self-imposed deadline. (which I related to in my bones.)
When you wrote " ... but that is OK" I actually teared up for a split second. But then, everybody knows I am a little old lady who's oversensitive lol.
Anyway! You made my day, Raw 🫶🏻
@PepOhio
Hey good morning, Pep. I just came across this thread on a subreddit and immediately thought about you, and your niece.
I had no idea there is a community out there of people using GLPs primarily for alcohol use disorder. Wow 💜
Thank you 💜
I was looking for another rabbit hole to fall through.😉
Been reading through some of the r/dryzempic threads mentioned further down in the post.
ImSW1
New Member
My brotha, put the needle down and step away from the vial 🤣. Put the HGH, HCG, Testosterone C and the few mild steroids away for now.
You're doing amazing. Remember, slow and steady wins the "human" race.
Great work losing weight but I'm not sure this is sustainable. I did something similar after bariatric surgery. Lost 110 lbs in roughly 8 months. Then it just became almost impossible to lose weight. I was gaining weight on 1400 cals a day. When I cut it some more to lose weight my brain would go asleep on me. Cortisol was through the roof. My enzymes were all over the place. In the end i had to deal with a 25 lbs regain over the following year. Absolutely wrecked my metabolism/Homeostasis.
That being said, Glp-1s are a completely different kettle of fish. They (and those other things you're lining up) may help to get you across your finish line, but the finish line is only a point on the very long line that comprises a weight loss journey. Will you be able to maintain the GW? How much more Meds will you need to maintain the GW? Just don't do something whacky to your metabolism. The human body is remarkable at 'compensating' until it gives up, then everything falls apart at the same time...
That being said, Glp-1s are a completely different kettle of fish. They (and those other things you're lining up) may help to get you across your finish line, but the finish line is only a point on the very long line that comprises a weight loss journey. Will you be able to maintain the GW? How much more Meds will you need to maintain the GW? Just don't do something whacky to your metabolism. The human body is remarkable at 'compensating' until it gives up, then everything falls apart at the same time...
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
I've been thinking about it. I really don't care if it's sustainable. If it's not, I'll just do a weight loss blast every year to remove excess and get back down to my baseline. But I do believe there will be a protocol for some drug or combo of drugs that will help us keep the weight off.
I'm actually having a lot of fun with this. I like to fix up my old cars. Now i'm fixing up myself and i'm getting the same sense of pride and accomplishment. I don't want to stress others out over it. There have been some stressed out reactions especially over deep calorie restriction. I think fasting is a really good thing. I'm going to try and shrink my prostate with fasting.
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Im nearly exactly your specs! Im a 51m 5’11” starting weight was 271lbs on July 2nd, today I’m at 218lbs only using Tirz and OMAD/and eating only protein enriched food and shakes (No sugars and nearly no carbs… No breads and pastas at all.) For the last month ive used cjc1295/ipamorelin and BPC157 as when i started to work out and weight lift with heavy resistance bands i could move for days after (i have never worked out in my life! I was skinny as a teen but never was “muscular”) and after adding the CJC,IPA, and BPC i had no soreness after working out and could do it daily with no downtime. About to add Tesa as well for the lingering belly fat (and hopefully love handles). My goal is also 185-175 range by end of year. But i think i can get there. Have also been talking to my doc about peptides and shes all for it! And even told me about how her boyfriend took Anovar and it really helped him (First time i had a doc tell me go for it with peptides and mild steroids) Shes been doing blood work on me every 3 months. I went from having an A1C of 5.7 (borderline pre diabetic the day i started) to 5.2! Perfect A1C. BP went from 140/80 to 114/80!, Cholesterol from 237 to 202 (still not a great good and bad cholesterol mix but much better than it was), and PSA was good as well. She also started me on a prescription of 50,000iu of vitamin D a week (was very deficient cause it lethargy and weight loss and depressed mood) to now back to normal! And she also started me on testosterone gel 1.6% 40mg daily as i was very low! (Being 51 and morbidly obese i assumed i was low but it was very low… like 148 testosterone and a 4.4 free testosterone.) Been doing that for 3 months now and just did my bloodwork last Friday and should be getting those results today. But assume it’ll be much improved as i feel a ton better. I haven’t started adding Reta or Cagri to my regimen at all as I’m still at 7.5mg and still losing decently and just trying to be more active now that its finally starting to cool off (in Phoenix,AZ and has been over 100 degrees since April and just a week ago dropped below 100). I look and feel like a different person but am super motivated to get to goal weight before end of year. Should be sub 200 by mid November and i think ill have a chance at it but at the very least ill be very close and haven’t been that weight since i was like 18. Good luck and keep us posted as to your progress as we (besides age) are very similar to starting weight, dates, and goals.
EDIT: Literally minutes after writing this i got my new testosterone results in. They are as follows:
3 months of the testosterone Gel 1.6% 40mg daily my testosterone levels went from -
148 to 326 (in normal levels for my age now whew!) and free testosterone from 4.4 to 6.2 (much better but still listed as low. She has extended my script for an other 3 months and will recheck then but the fact that even though its rising, I’m still in the low normal to low range so adding in anovar still feels like a decent idea.) let me know for anyone with experience (@Bacchus ?).
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raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
Let me know when you find a source if appropriate. I'm getting my stuff from China but it sounds like your doc is prescribing it for you. I've got some stuff on the way to me. My doc didn't want me to go on anything. She sees it as a sign of weakness.
Please continue to post frequent updates. It will help me to have someone in a similar situation to compare myself to/compete with.🥷
The tesa only works on deep fat from what I've researched, but i have that problem too. I'm trying fat melting injections for the fat pouch below the BB which i had even when i was 170 pounds. So far, they don't seem to be dissolving anything. I'll give it a month or 2 to work.
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Congratulations! That is freaking awesome! I will be celebrating 30 years 10/15. It is crazy how time flies....
I never even heard of or thought of peps for alcoholism/drug addiction. It totally makes sense, though. Down another rabbit hole I go.
Why do obesity drugs seem to treat so many other ailments?
From alcoholism to Parkinson’s, scientists are studying the mechanisms behind the broad clinical potential of weight-loss drugs.
www.nature.com
Always like to keep my eyes open for new toys I probably don't need...do you have a link for the meter you specifically got?
Thanks 🙂
Chizikitide-1977
Research Enthusiast
Have you considered MOTS-C? Exercise in a bottle, I swear I feel 20 years younger since I started taking it.
moonpies4misfits
Advanced Researcher
It knocks me out a few hours after taking it 😭 Although I suspect it may be related to MTHFR/MTRR gene mutations (confirmed), methylation pathways, etc. I have switched my Cyano B12 to Methyl B12 and started taking methylfolate and betaine tmg and will probably give the MOTS-C another go in a month or so. Fingers crossed because I've had terrible fatigue for a while, way before I started the Tirz. 🤞
Before trying MOTS-C again try a course of SS-31 first. It’s supposed to repair damaged mitochondria first, then the mots-c will do a better job. And yes, Tirz fatigue was the only side effect for me but it was real. I now take 0.5ml each of MIC B12 & LIPO-C twice a week and it has solved my issue for fatigue. Another thing to look into as it was an issue for me was in my initial bloodwork i found out that i was Vitamin D deficient and had low testosterone (but didnt have the normal low T issues so never suspected) Im a guy so not sure this would apply (no idea your gender and dont want to assume) but addressing both of those was probably also pivotal in eliminating the fatigue as well.
The Anavar isnt prescribed but she was all on board for me taking it if i can find an affordable and reliable source (shes super open minded). SO i will look into overseas sources as well ( i always send a sample out to be tested but ive done that enough with a few vendors and have had perfect results so i know which vendors to trust so i should be good.)
Yes, tesa was used for more visceral fat but anecdotal evidence has said that it can also target normal belly fat as well. Not sure how true this is but getting one kit is affordable enough to try. As for the “fat melters” I haven’t had a ton of luck with these (if we are talking about the same things) but they have helped hugely with the fatigue part of tirz (I take 0.5ml each of MIC B12 & LIPO-C twice a week) i started these mostly for the fatigue but the happy side effect a lot of peopl talked about was breaking stalls and plateaus as well. It helped with the fatigue and not convince d of the breaking of stalls ( i did break thru but not convinced it was the cause). Also had a few people on a subreddit reach out to me saying that they found big success in adding AOD9604 to their routine instead of Tesa. So may try that as well.
And finally I’ll be sure to keep in touch as it’s nice to find someone in near the same boat and stats as you to compare notes with! Good luck brother.
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
At-Home Kidney Test | Kidney Blood Test With Bluetooth
The at-home kidney test machine testing for Uric Acid (UA), Creatinine (CR), and Urea (UR) .
www.medasia.store
I think this is a pretty cheap device and i don't hold out that much hope for its accuracy, but if it can give me an idea of what kinds of activities, foods, medicines cause my eGFR to go down, i can modify my behaviors in a way to avoid potential kidney damage. I'm wondering if i have a stone now that is causing some blockage. The hospital did use a hand held device before i did my ct scan to make the decision whether to use contrast dye. I'm sure it was a much more expensive one.
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moonpies4misfits
Advanced Researcher
I did 😢
Nothing has stood out in my bloodwork. I did have a hysterectomy & oophorectomy so I was thrown into surgical menopause pretty early which is definitely a factor, but MHT didn't seem to help the fatigue.
I did recently learn about MTHFR and MTRR gene mutations, and that's when it clicked. I ran to my DNA results and plugged them into Genetic Genie and NutraHacker and sure enough, I had a few mutations. Issues that can arise from these mutations can be tested for by checking homocysteine, b12, and folate levels. We already knew I had low B12 (despite being a carnivore!). I haven't had the other tests done though. Hoping my new supplement regimen helps.
I'm sleepy and don't have the bandwidth to type out all the sciency stuff, so heres a summary from ChatGPT:
Awwww, thank you. Recovery *is* freaking awesome, yes.
And congratulations to you. I will remember you on October 15th and raise a cup of coffee to toast your 30 Years
💟
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
i had ordered this: https://www.flexussports.com/products/amilean-fat-loss-lotion-with-2-aminophylline
they don't have it and they're trying to talk me into this: https://pavlikperformance.com/products/metaboderm
there's actually study that says Aminophylline works so i don't know about the botanical stuff.
the above are external topical fat melters.
there are also injectable fat melters that are supposed to directly act on the fat cell destroying the membrane. (lemon bottle, lipo lab, dr lipo, neobella, skinderma, desobody and several others) the main ingredients: PPC PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE, deoxycholic acid, enzymes from pineapple Bromelain, Riboflavin, and Lecithin etc. Dermatologists and health clinics are providing these treatments for hefty fees. People inject their own and save. I've been trying this on my fat pouch at the bottom of my stomach.
they don't have it and they're trying to talk me into this: https://pavlikperformance.com/products/metaboderm
there's actually study that says Aminophylline works so i don't know about the botanical stuff.
the above are external topical fat melters.
there are also injectable fat melters that are supposed to directly act on the fat cell destroying the membrane. (lemon bottle, lipo lab, dr lipo, neobella, skinderma, desobody and several others) the main ingredients: PPC PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE, deoxycholic acid, enzymes from pineapple Bromelain, Riboflavin, and Lecithin etc. Dermatologists and health clinics are providing these treatments for hefty fees. People inject their own and save. I've been trying this on my fat pouch at the bottom of my stomach.
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