CNBC's "Ozempic underworld: Inside the black market of obesity drugs"

[Glp1judd]

Choose the bear…

 

[Vacation4us]

This is ludicrous. Why isn't CNBC doing their job and being real journalists? Where's the story about why normal middle class folks are risking their money and health in search of a "deal"? The real story is that these meds are changing people's lives for the better, and cost way more than they need to, so people are taking risks to get them.

Well said, you deserve a prize.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

But slimming down for women actually increases our danger, that was the point of @moonpies4misfits anecdotes. Fat men who slim down can look forward to more positive attention but rarely will it result in outright sexual assault, sexual harrrassment and being MORE scared of men than we already are. I’m not looking forward to that aspect either.

Ding ding ding. Thank you for articulating my point. 💚

 

[noteablequotable]

Kinda missed the point there. Do they welcome that aspect of being fat? Cuz honestly, I feel safer out in public as a fat woman than I ever did as a thin woman.

I weigh over 100+lbs more now than I did in my twenties due to health issues and this aspect of being thin was horrible. I was getting this harassment from women too, and men would flirt with me in front of their wives. It was very lonely and often really humiliating to be more attractive.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

That’s exactly what we are saying that we have experienced. Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women? Maybe ask the women in your life how often they’ve had danger signals raise their hair bc men are doing weird stuff like parking next to them in an empty carpark or following them around the store trying to make convo despite ignoring them. Etc etc etc. Most of us women here will have had a long period of “being slim enough to be conventionally attractive” and then being fat. The risks go way down being fat. It’s almost comforting and it’s actually a common thing for women who were sexually assaulted to turn to overeating and find safety in their fatness.

I have a feeling logic won't work with this one. He thought my post about harassment somehow equated to men getting laid and that speaks volumes.

 

[brentm]

Jesus fucking christ, where's your reading comprehension? We are simply stating fact, that we feel safer in public when we aren't considered conventionally attractive. "Inadvertently" You fucking knew what kind of reaction your last comment would get. Inadvertent my ass.

On a somewhat similar note but completely relevant. And at the risk of triggering someone reading this.

If I were a woman in today's society. I would be proficient and confident in concealed carry. This would mean the confidence to carry a loaded (chambered) weapon on my person. The ability to handle the weapon (lock, secure, transfer) safely. Lots of range practice with someone who can properly train me on safety, and how to put my shots on target reliably at different distances. Etc etc etc.

I grew up with my mom (single mother) who was constantly harassed by strangers. It might have been a different world back then, and she certainly didn't make attempts to blend in. She did carry some form of mace.

That might be another option. Bear spray.

This is one of the things I'm looking forward to about losing some more weight. Is wearing clothing where concealed carry is more comfortable.

And I'm a man....

There's crazy people everywhere.

 

[ImSW1]

That’s exactly what we are saying that we have experienced. Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women? Maybe ask the women in your life how often they’ve had danger signals raise their hair bc men are doing weird stuff like parking next to them in an empty carpark or following them around the store trying to make convo despite ignoring them. Etc etc etc. Most of us women here will have had a long period of “being slim enough to be conventionally attractive” and then being fat. The risks go way down being fat. It’s almost comforting and it’s actually a common thing for women who were sexually assaulted to turn to overeating and find safety in their fatness.

How about we stop talking about how dangerous OUR gender is to women and point the finger at the VERY few men that are absolute scumbags?

I hope you are able find healing but I take significant issue with this "all men are evil" conversation. I, and I'd venture a VAST majority of my gender are just trying to get through our lives like you are.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

On a somewhat similar note but completely relevant. And at the risk of triggering someone reading this.

If I were a woman in today's society. I would be proficient and confident in concealed carry. This would mean the confidence to carry a loaded (chambered) weapon on my person. The ability to handle the weapon (lock, secure, transfer) safely. Lots of range practice with someone who can properly train me on safety, and how to put my shots on target reliably at different distances. Etc etc etc.

I grew up with my mom (single mother) who was constantly harassed by strangers. It might have been a different world back then, and she certainly didn't make attempts to blend in. She did carry some form of mace.

That might be another option. Bear spray.

This is one of the things I'm looking forward to about losing some more weight. Is wearing clothing where concealed carry is more comfortable.

And I'm a man....

There's crazy people everywhere.

Absolutely. I've been wanting to do all of this once it fits in my budget, especially since I live in a major city in a somewhat iffy part of town.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

How about we stop talking about how dangerous OUR gender is to women and point the finger at the VERY few men that are absolute scumbags?

I hope you are able find healing but I take significant issue with this "all men are evil" conversation. I, and I'd venture a VAST majority of my gender are just trying to get through our lives like you are.

Nobody said it was all men, but it's enough men to make most women feel this way. If it were just a very few, why do we have SO MANY personal stories like this? We didn't just make this shit up, this is coming from our lived experiences. Maybe it would be less of a problem if more of the good men called out the bad actors instead of making excuses and minimizing the problem.

 

[brentm]

Absolutely. I've been wanting to do all of this once it fits in my budget, especially since I live in a major city in a somewhat iffy part of town.

https://www.amazon.com/Keychain-Release-Maximum-Strength-Accurate/dp/B071YPH2DY

Nothing wrong with non-lethal options either.

Of course they make a Law Enforcement Only option and that's the one I want.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

https://www.amazon.com/Keychain-Release-Maximum-Strength-Accurate/dp/B071YPH2DY

Nothing wrong with non-lethal options either.

Of course they make a Law Enforcement Only option and that's the one I want.

Oh, I've got multiples lol. I also carry a knife but that's more for utilitarian purposes and isn't the best option for self defense in general. Distance is key.

 

[ImSW1]

Nobody said it was all men, but it's enough men to make most women feel this way. If it were just a very few, why do we have SO MANY personal stories like this? Maybe it would be less of a problem if more of the good men called out the bad actors instead of making excuses and minimizing the problem.

Yeah, because there's no lack of men standing up and putting themselves in danger for women. What would you precisely like us to do for you?

The statement I'm responding to is "Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women?"

Yes, there's evil PEOPLE out there but when we're you guaranteed safety at all times? How many is "enough" men? There's 170ish million men in America. How many of us do you think are in this group?

I wish you were safe everywhere you went, but that's a pipe dream for both genders.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

Yeah, because there's no lack of men standing up and putting themselves in danger for women. What would you precisely like us to do for you?

The statement I'm responding to is "Do you, as a man, require more clarification about how dangerous your gender is to women?"

Yes, there's evil PEOPLE out there but when we're you guaranteed safety at all times? How many is enough men? There's 170ish million men in America. How many of us do you think are in this group?

I wish you were safe everywhere you went, but that's a pipe dream for both genders.

I didn't say anyone had to put themselves in danger. It can be as simple as calling out a friend for acting inappropriately. Yes, there are monsters everywhere, but when the statistics show that 91% of sexual assault victims are women, we have good reason to fear for our safety.

 

[delululemonade]

In my experience, a lot of the men that other men think are good men, are not good men. You’d be really surprised. Or maybe you wouldn’t, if you take an honest look around. The Brock Turners of the world don’t walk around with a sign on their foreheads.

 

[ImSW1]

I didn't say anyone had to put themselves in danger. It can be as simple as calling out a friend for acting inappropriately. Yes, there are monsters everywhere, but when the statistics show that 91% of sexual assault victims are women, we have good reason to fear for our safety.

We're not in any disagreement here on sexual assault statistics, but what's the overall number of sexual assaults vs. men in the US? I think you'll find that the vast majority of men are busy being decent members of society. The thing I disagree with is the over generalizations in this thread.

And here we go again "In my experience, a lot of the men that other men think are good men, are not good men." I agree, we're all evil!

 

[delululemonade]

We're not in any disagreement here on sexual assault statistics, but what's the overall number of sexual assaults vs. men in the US? I think you'll find that the vast majority of men are busy being decent members of society. The thing I disagree with is the over generalizations in this thread.

And here we go again "In my experience, a lot of the men that other men think are good men, are not good men." I agree, we're all evil!

I didn’t say all, I said, “a lot.” Interesting that you put yourself in that category. I didn’t.

 

[ImSW1]

This conversation isn't productive anymore and should probably stop here. @moonpies4misfits made some honest observations about her actual experiences without the intent to malign anyone or make negative generalizations about men. That wasn't understood or well received (which happens) so there is no point in continuing to argue it.

But my experiences are irrelevant. OK!

 

[ImSW1]

I didn’t say all, I said, “a lot.” Interesting that you put yourself in that category. I didn’t.

Again, what is a lot, exactly? There's that, you don't agree with me, so you must be projecting.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

We're not in any disagreement here on sexual assault statistics, but what's the overall number of sexual assaults vs. men in the US? I think you'll find that the vast majority of men are busy being decent members of society. The thing I disagree with is the over generalizations in this thread.

I never made a generalization. That was your interpretation. I never said all men. I only spoke of men who exhibit this type of behavior. If someone was complaining about people exhibiting "Karen" like behavior, I wouldn't jump in the conversation and say "Not everyone named Karen!"

 

[ImSW1]

I never made a generalization. That was your interpretation. I never said all men. I only spoke of men who exhibit this type of behavior. If someone was complaining about people exhibiting "Karen" like behavior, I wouldn't jump in the conversation and say "Not everyone named Karen!"

No, you and others definitely generalized numerous times, but whatever. I've had a good and open conversation with you.

I seriously wish that you don't have to deal with these evil people anymore. I really mean this sincerely!

 

[noteablequotable]

@exploitedworkerbee can you step in here?

 

[moonpies4misfits]

No, you and others definitely generalized numerous times, but whatever. I've had a good and open conversation with you.

I seriously wish that you don't have to deal with these evil people anymore. I really mean this sincerely!

Can you point out exactly where I said it was all men?

 

[delululemonade]

Again, what is a lot, exactly? There's that, you don't agree with me, so you must be projecting.

Less than all, more than “a very few.” If you really can’t see that, I don’t really see the point in engaging further. Good luck on your journey.

 

[ImSW1]

Less than all, more than “a very few.” If you really can’t see that, I don’t really see the point in engaging further. Good luck on your journey.

You as well 👍. I'll thank you for the engaging conversation. It's a change from the usual... How much BAC water should I use.

 

[ImSW1]

Can you point out exactly where I said it was all men?

I've pointed out what brought me into the conversation. You didn't bother to defend men when we were being disparaged. Why didn't you step in?

All this is really tongue in cheek. Like I said, I've enjoyed the conversation. I hope you have a great evening.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

I'm stepping out of this conversation. I've said all I needed to say. Calling out bad behavior is apparently seen as man-hating. Being told that you missed the entire point of a comment is not an attack. Turning someones statements about being harassed around as a way to feel victimized simply because you share the same anatomy as the perpetrators is weird, but ok. Saying "not all, but enough to be a problem" is not disparaging to an entire gender.

 

[ImSW1]

I'm stepping out of this conversation. I've said all I needed to say. Calling out bad behavior is apparently seen as man-hating. Turning someones statements about being harassed around as a way to feel victimized simply because you share the same anatomy as the perpetrators is weird, but ok. Saying "not all, but enough to be a problem" is not disparaging to an entire gender.

I'm out as well. I don't think anyone here hates men. My issue is the over generalizations, perhaps not from you, but it's there. I can also understand your perspective and points at the same time as disagreeing with some of them.

Be safe and have a great night👍.

 

[Glp1judd]

FWIW, I think it was illuminating and vulnerable for that women to share her feeling and experiences.

But it was wrong for her to attack the man who joked it might make it easier for him to get laid.

You both have different experiences and different traumas you are dealing with and (hopefully) recovering from.

Stop with the judgement and the bickering.

As for the few men that got triggered and tried to minimize the whole situation and make it somehow about them? Get help.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

FWIW, I think it was illuminating and vulnerable for that women to share her feeling and experiences.

But it was wrong for her to attack the man who joked it might make it easier for him to get laid.

You both have different experiences and different traumas you are dealing with and (hopefully) recovering from.

Stop with the judgement and the bickering.

As for the few men that got triggered and tried to minimize the whole situation and make it somehow about them? Get help.

I did not attack him for the joke. I pointed out how he missed the point. My attacks did not start until after THIS snarky comment :

"Sorry, you are basically saying the downside of losing weight is becoming more attractive to the opposite sex, and thus your life becomes more dangerous because you are now considered attractive to the opposite sex and all the creeps and rapists are now out to get you?"

Could I have handled it with more grace? Sure. I'll admit that. But my ire didn't start until after the joke became about being scared of creeps and rapists. Now I'm actually laying it to rest.and I'll be ignoring him so I will no longer see his comments.

 

[Dionysian]

Put it this way: you every day you have to walk into a pool filled with great white sharks, some of them are cool sharks and some are biteynsharks but they all look like sharks. You can’t afford to be so naive to think, “they’re all cool sharks!” Especially if the slightest move could really endanger you. They dont get the benefit of the doubt. They earn trust by exhibiting cool shark behavior. So it’s “not all men” but sure as fuck is until proven otherwise and it’s safer to err on the side of caution when they’re an unknown entity with the physical prowess they have over women. Men do NOT have this global fear of women, men know women are easily overpowered physically, they can be outrun easily, women aren’t full of risky angry testosterone and emboldened by a society that encourages misogyny. Men are statistically more inclined to violence and sexual assault, and their physical or sexual violence ends in much more harmful and even lethal injuries. But for some reason these guys right here, the ones saying “not all men!” cannot understand and accept the basic sense of self preservation all women operate at when out in the world. And yep, women who are slim are often the first pick of targets, easily overpowered physically and considered attractive and higher value for vile men to target. I’ve never been afraid of a woman near me, nor have I had a woman do anything more than like, a crazy homeless lady yelling from her tent to spook me, so let’s drop this “evil people” bullfrapp. Men, whether they’re slim or fat, aren’t scared of unknown-to- them women going about their day, when they’re pumping gas at night or stopping at a rest stop to pee alone. Men are even scared of men!