scarywood75
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I see!
GYC shipping vials with zero peptides detected
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nurseratchit
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I’m sure they did it to make money reselling the real stuff elsewhere and not necessarily to defame GYC.
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The still photo is too blurry to permit identification. However, the audio revealed plenty of cursing.They caught this person at warehouse 4
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So a big US corporation incapable of even shutting down the US compounders is willing to risk criminal charges in China and an enormous worlwide scandal to take an action that is unlikely to even temporarily reduce gray exports to the US from China? Using that logic, I may as well have shot JFK even though I wasn't born until years l later. I teleported back in time to shoot JFK.
zpped
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Seriously I get its slightly wild that someone swapped the kits. But its really not that hard to pull off. 1000 vials in standard packages, labels, and crimps can be easily done in a day if you have the right connections. The stuff is sitting in the warehouse with plenty of time to order the fakes and swap them out and then resell the real ones to another vendor for 10x profit. You could easily carry the entire thing on a bicycle.
I'm not saying that's what happened but it's WAY more likely than EL having anything to do with it at all.
(I'm in agreement with keangkong here if that wasn't apparent.)
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noteablequotable
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I think he knows it's not likely, we're just having some fun in our tin foil hats. Please don't take that away from us on Christmas. We can be serious tomorrow.
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Despite often being sarcastic myself, I often have troubling picking up OTHER people's sarcasm.
Lullabytreehugger
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The two cases have no relevance to one another … how did u even pass law school with that logic? Imagine I said today I ate a strawberry and tomorrow I drove a car, ok yeah and so what?
GtownBrown
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Yeah—this is all bad. I have two kits of the fake stuff (r10 and t30) that’s not even on their list. That means that multiple companies were hit. If you want to know more, join The Swiss on Discord, where they are tracking all this.
scarywood75
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Exactly, it's happening to multiple vendors across multiple types of peptide.
They arrested the guy behind this apparently but we still don't know why it was done.
What we do know is vendors got scammed, I mean GYC paid for that test that showed 0 peptides, if they knew they wouldn't have done that and they also have tested the product themselves before.
Do you have a link?
GtownBrown
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I don’t have invite privileges.
scarywood75
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Shoot a message to @krysia0430 over on Telegram or Discord for an invite link.
Nikki nik
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Ok I'm in there. Going over
GimmeABreak
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I still don't buy it. The difference in creating zero peptide lyophilized powder and the real thing is the cost of the raws, which is likely not more than 25% of the manufacturing/finishing costs. The FF would need to know the cap colors in advance or take the time to recap all of the vials that they had produced. It just seems like a lot of work to save a few bucks and risk burning your relationship with your customer. It would be easier and more sustainable to just have their own legitimate batches produced to sell. I think it is more likely that a raw producer provided bunk raws and GYC didn't test before or after manufacture.
We will probably never find out the true story or whether this was intentional or accidental.
GtownBrown
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It’s called “Case of the Missing Peptide”
GtownBrown
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The reason that theory doesn’t pan out is that all the bad kits have the same label, no matter which vendor they came from.
GimmeABreak
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You know, I read through Krysia's investigative work on the Swiss and didn't catch that. This kinda blows my "bad raws" theory to hell. I'm going to back and read Krysia's write-up again.
GtownBrown
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GtownBrown
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The whole thing got discovered because of the labels. She made another thread of label pics, asking everyone to upload a label and which vendor/buy it came from. I figured it out myself when Bucky posted a pic of his bad Reta and it looked like an order I had just gotten from a different source. So I posted mine and it just carried on from there in multiple discord/telegram/facebook locations. Krysia is the one who started investigating the source of the scam and compiling everything into one thread.
noggin
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No of course they wouldn't order vials with pure mannitol and replace those out. If the freight forwarder story is true (which I'm hesitant to believe) then there's probably some random ass cheap peptide like AOD or DSIP in there. They probably switched it out for a cheaper peptide and kept the expensive tirz. Although the cap colors matching makes me skeptical that this is anyone's deliberate act rather than a GYC fuckup
GtownBrown
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It’s not just GYC.
noggin
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That just seems so far fetched that a company raking in billions upon billions is going to go operation bravo on some underground labs to try and maybe dissuade people from using them over a couple million dollars a year at best. Their lawyers make that much in a month. They'll definitely go after it through all legal avenues possible but if they're gonna play dirty they'd probably just knock off tracy not pull some elaborate oceans 11 stunt.
noggin
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Which other vendors had vials test as nothing? Are you referring to the SRY screwup where they accidentally sent Reta instead of tirz?
penewbie
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It's complete and obvious bullshit. Real eye rolling stuff.
MiniatureSnail
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No, this is not related to the SRY issue. Most of the other vendors affected are GBs and not all have disclosed their sources. Royal Peptides also affected, Bucky's GB and several others I've never heard of.
noggin
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Ah, okay. I still need to go through that Swiss thread but haven't gotten to it yet. Sounds like it definitely could be the case that all these GBs are sourcing from GYC or the issue is with a common supplier between GYC and these other vendors. It's important to remember that GYC might not be finishing their own vials and rather just purchasing finished product to sell which had the issue. This would also explain why they didn't bother internal testing, why other vendors including domestic are having the same issues and why it's all kits with the same labels.
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After having read Krysia's "The Case of The Missing Peptides" on Swiss, I'm convinced we'll never have a good sense of what happened. I suspect I'd have to read and write Chinese and be familiar with how the grey industry operates there to be able to come up with reasonable guesses as to what likely happened. So far, the vendors I have used (SRY, SSA, Amolist, and SSA) appear unaffected.
It seems like if there is a 3rd party at the warehouse seizing peptides and replacing with blanks, it is likely someone paid by a competitor to sabotage. Doing all of that would take a lot of effort though. Does seem scary to me because while this appears to be manitol what would stop them from replacing with something that was actually dangerous.
lazygardener
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GYC allows PT. They paid PT for this directly for the volunteer GB testing. I submitted the info to PT to set up the order and sent in my vial, GYC paid PT directly. PT sent the results straight to me (I am unsure if he also sent a copy to GYC but since I posted it doesn't really matter🤣).
lazygardener
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One thing to note with the GYC T40, the people who got T40 that tested well in the aqua cases received their orders first. For the rest of us, shipping kept taking longer than expected. I was told I would have tracking within a week but it was closer to 3, and even after tracking it was 4 more days until it actually left the warehouse. So if they were having custom fakes made, they totally had time while slowly sending out real ones first (cases and labels on the real ones were also different). Also the vials of mannitol (or whatever) had a vacuum, so had testing not been done a consumer would not have been able to tell aside from lack of feels. Someone reconstituted GHK-CU as well and while the lyophilized pucks looked the correct color, once reconstituted it is also likely fake as the liquid was barely tinted. Whoever did this went through a lot of effort. And it wasn't GYC faking it or they wouldn't have paid for volunteer testing with true random selection. I feel like sabotage/peptide gang wars to take competition out feels like the most likely scenario.
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scarywood75
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My understanding is that this is happening across different vendors and all types of peptides.
They all seem to have got the same label tho, it seems like they may have switched the entire kits and not just vials inside.
Shipping was slower, of course it's Christmas time, but still another weird coincidence.
I don't see how this is about stealing good supply, since there's easier ways.
But at the same time there's easier ways to sabotage vendors, so I'm not sure either. Maybe they thought it would be harder to trace that back to the forwarder if they do it this way? That obviously didn't work out.
That's a very well thought out plan tho, whatever we think happened. Doing it during Christmas where shipping is slow, but all vendors have their peak sales of the year, taking the time to make labels, lyophilized vials and replace the good ones.
Given what we know, it's not the raw manufacturers, because of the labels that aren't the one used by the affected vendors. Could be our resellers that brought a bad batch from some finishers, but they normally should've been tested before being sent to us.
They all seem to have got the same label tho, it seems like they may have switched the entire kits and not just vials inside.
Shipping was slower, of course it's Christmas time, but still another weird coincidence.
I don't see how this is about stealing good supply, since there's easier ways.
But at the same time there's easier ways to sabotage vendors, so I'm not sure either. Maybe they thought it would be harder to trace that back to the forwarder if they do it this way? That obviously didn't work out.
That's a very well thought out plan tho, whatever we think happened. Doing it during Christmas where shipping is slow, but all vendors have their peak sales of the year, taking the time to make labels, lyophilized vials and replace the good ones.
Given what we know, it's not the raw manufacturers, because of the labels that aren't the one used by the affected vendors. Could be our resellers that brought a bad batch from some finishers, but they normally should've been tested before being sent to us.
scarywood75
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We won't see anymore promotions I feel like for a long time, if GYC makes this right, that's a huuuge money loss for them right there
chmuse
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If the theory that half the sellers are just sales people for one particular company are correct, they could all share the same shipping warehouse. I'm still waiting to see if I can get access to The Swiss so I'm wildly uninformed about who this has affected other than GYC. But if everyone shipped from the same warehouse, it makes sense multiple were involved.
scarywood75
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Right, the problematic label is also used by a specific seller, ZZB I think, but the affected vendors usually didn't have that label, either they re-label the kits or they finish themselves. So maybe some ran out of their own stuck and started buying from other sellers without re-labelling and testing? That could be one possibility too
scarywood75
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The proofs we have however point more the fault at the FF company.
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I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that anyone with an ounce of sense realizes that if people died due to poisoning, that there would be serious consequences, many of which would not be legal. Anyone making money from grey market peptides would have their business greatly hurt by such incidents. Call me a racist if you wish, but I trust folks living in China more than I do folks living in the US to not to have some crazy out there who just wants to kill someone. No, I'm not anti-American; I'm proud of American accomplishments and have an American flag hanging in front of my house.
That is what me thinks is more than likely a competitor. Because if someone actually wanted to blow up the scene they could do that easily it seems like with replacing with something dangerous. I think it is someone who just wants to interrupt other sellers business. But yeah for me it is a new fear unlocked.
I know people think folks are crazy for sticking with QSC but at least with them I know they have their own operations. Each XYZ new seller popping up who knows who their manufacturer is and whose warehouses their share. It is just a guessing game.
Ok, but by the same token, a competitor f-ing with others’ supply with anything other than just plain ol mannitol would absolutely get them wrapped up in an investigation and increased scrutiny, no? Maybe shut the whole thing down if a death happened.
(Now that I read yours again, I may be saying the same thing? Has anyone said what’s actually in the vials?)
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Not for nothing, the elementary students randomly stabbed at school would beg to differ on that “some crazy” part.
Yeah but something like that would get the attention of governments and police. They don't want scrutiny to the point where it would affect the whole industry.
I haven't read the details on discord yet, but just from skimming this thread, a bunch of sellers all having the same source and getting scammed by them or someone working for them sounds 10000x more plausible than the other stuff people are throwing out there. I mean the grey market community is relatively small. The thought that there are all of these different labs finishing their own peptides to satisfy a relative handful of customers never really made sense to me. EL planting someone in their 3PL to swap vials out? Lol. It cracks me up how everyone around here seems to go straight for the most sinister sounding explanation for things.
I fear we're about to start seeing a lot of scams and shady vendors popping up with all of the unsuspecting newcomers though.
chmuse
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100%. It would be so easy to do well for a few months, post a great sale that everyone jumps on, then cut and run with the btc
It basically became the norm with darknet markets. You better believe we're going to see some of it when this thing starts getting too big.
scarywood75
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Just put some laxative or some shit like that 🤣
Yes that is part of an exit scam.
I know Gonk (the person who created this forum) made a good post on discord many moons ago warning about exit scams. That was the first time I heard about that. But apparently it is common in this industry.
