Alternative to HOSPIRA Bac

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Anyone ever hear of Alpha+Omega peptides OR pure peptides?

both are making and selling their own BAC water which is way cheaper than HOSPIRA now. i asked for sterility results and Pure said they are working with 3rd party testers now and Alpha said that its just water and alcohol. not a professional response
 
Mine is stuck in customs, too, and I only ordered 5. 😕 All this fuss for a tiny bottle of water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol.

Times are a changin’! 🙃
My 5 bottles have been stuck in customs since July 15. I received a letter in mail from the FDA indicating that I need to respond. I thought about responding that it was recommended by my vet for my pet’s injections. Have you had any traction?
 
I hope this is right. They sent me a letter I need to respond to but I’ve feel uncertain if I should respond.
A seizure letter or something like that? No need to respond to that, as the situation would be hopeless:

 
A seizure letter or something like that? No need to respond to that, as the situation would be hopeless:


Would they really seize bac water???

I am wondering how long I should give it before asking the vendor if they reship or refund?
 
A seizure letter or something like that? No need to respond to that, as the situation would be hopeless:

It says detained, subject for refusal because it is a drug that lacks instructions for dosage.
 
Unfortunately, it is game over, as far as your chances with the government.

The shipper may be willing to reship at a discount. I would contact them, just to see. But, of course, a second shipment could be detained too, or at least delayed.
 
My 5 bottles have been stuck in customs since July 15. I received a letter in mail from the FDA indicating that I need to respond. I thought about responding that it was recommended by my vet for my pet’s injections. Have you had any traction?
It seems that the conventional wisdom from places like MesoRX which have a lot of experience in this area is to absolutely never respond to the letter and hope that the vendor has some kind of re-ship/refund policy.

Apparently responding not only never works, but more importantly seems to guarantee being added to a "list" of names and addresses that will forever be subject to inspection of anything that has to clear customs.
 
My 5 bottles have been stuck in customs since July 15. I received a letter in mail from the FDA indicating that I need to respond. I thought about responding that it was recommended by my vet for my pet’s injections. Have you had any traction?
Responding is an admission of guilt. Just accept the loss.
 
It seems that the conventional wisdom from places like MesoRX which have a lot of experience in this area is to absolutely never respond to the letter and hope that the vendor has some kind of re-ship/refund policy.

Apparently responding not only never works, but more importantly seems to guarantee being added to a "list" of names and addresses that will forever be subject to inspection of anything that has to clear customs.
Do you think this is something that would mess up Global Entry? I mean its not scheduled drugs
 
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My 5 bottles have been stuck in customs since July 15. I received a letter in mail from the FDA indicating that I need to respond. I thought about responding that it was recommended by my vet for my pet’s injections. Have you had any traction?
Mine is probably exactly the same batch. I am sure BSC sent our packages at the same time. 5 bottles stuck since July 15. You probably got the letter first since you are on West Coast. It will probably take a few days to get to me here in Orlando.

Did you contact Birth Supplies Canada and let them know?
So it came certified, you had to sign for it?
 
Do you think this is something that would mess up Global Entry? I mean its not scheduled drugs
If you respond to the letter, maybe. If you don't, I doubt it. Either way, you can't un-do it all so whatever's going to happen is going to happen, but like you said it's not controlled so if it does raise questions worry about it then.
 
If you respond to the letter, maybe. If you don't, I doubt it. Either way, you can't un-do it all so whatever's going to happen is going to happen, but like you said it's not controlled so if it does raise questions worry about it then.
Thanks . I heard people getting suspended for peptides though and that is not controlled either
 
Mine is probably exactly the same batch. I am sure BSC sent our packages at the same time. 5 bottles stuck since July 15. You probably got the letter first since you are on West Coast. It will probably take a few days to get to me here in Orlando.

Did you contact Birth Supplies Canada and let them know?
So it came certified, you had to sign for it?
The letter was not certified so I did not have to sign for it.

I did send birth supplies an email asking them for their advice and this was the response:
We haven't run into this before so I'm not sure. Do they give you an option to dispute since it's not technically a drug?

Any time we've had a country refuse bac water, it was shipped back to us. An that has only been European countries so far. US has never denied bac water before.

I think I’m going to reply to the letter and indicate that is not a drug, I will share the response from Birth Supplies and indicate that it has a purpose in my disaster preparedness supplies. Since I live in Utah, that’s completely feasible. Someone told me to say it’s for my pets and that it was recommended by veterinarian.

Like @ZippityDooDah says, what’s done is done. May as well reply and see if they will release it. Who knows, maybe others will get released as well.
 
Fake handbags aren't controlled either. It's not about that. It's about customs.
Fake handbags are different because they are counterfeit. Counterfeit items are illegal. Peptides are legal for research purposes though using it for for human injection is not. Bac water is not a scheduled drug nor is it illegal. I do see a clear difference. You may be right in the sense that customs doesnt but they should and they likely do.

And the letter posted , which I am expecting to receive is not really a violation , which counterfeit items would be , but rather a notice that the item is intended to be used as a drug and lacks instructions for use. In addition, the letter posted has an FDA heading, not a CBP heading - again this might make a difference but of course I am not an expert

I don't think anyone has a valid reason for explaining its use. A prescription from a doctor or a veterinarian or proof that you work for an institution using it for research. Without any of the above , best to ignore the letter and let them destroy or return it.

So my fingers are crossed that the worst that comes out of this is loss of $40.

I wonder if a good use/explanation would be diluting nasal spray like Afrin. That stuff is strong. And I have actually diluted in the past, but its not safe to do that with tap water.
 
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And you know those foreigners are just wasting the profits on poutine donuts and maple coffees ☕️ 🍁
I will contact them for the refund to eat into the profits..... Pun intended. Hopefully they do something , even partial refund. Not sure I want a reship. Do not want to go through this hassle again.
 
It seems that the conventional wisdom from places like MesoRX which have a lot of experience in this area is to absolutely never respond to the letter and hope that the vendor has some kind of re-ship/refund policy.

Apparently responding not only never works, but more importantly seems to guarantee being added to a "list" of names and addresses that will forever be subject to inspection of anything that has to clear customs.
Well that’s the most decisive answer I’ve received as to if I should respond or not. Noted. Thank you. …..Now to find someplace in the U.S. with BAC water in stock.
 
Well that’s the most decisive answer I’ve received as to if I should respond or not. Noted. Thank you. …..Now to find someplace in the U.S. with BAC water in stock.

The question is whether what you received is a "CBP Seizure Letter" ? It looks like an FDA Detained letter. Are they same, possibly, are they different, possibly?

Its ridiculous as it just damn water
 
I will contact them for the refund to eat into the profits..... Pun intended. Hopefully they do something , even partial refund. Not sure I want a reship. Do not want to go through this hassle again.
If this is anything like the countless times people have run into the same issue with peptide shipments from China, they'll eventually be returned to sender which makes the prospect of a refund much more likely. My understanding is that replying to the letter not only results in the whole "list" thing, but a likely guarantee that the product will be destroyed instead of returned.

It will be interesting to see how the seller responds, but honestly I don't think they're under any obligation to refund anyone for something like this that is beyond their control and I'll be disappointed to see how many people file disputes/chargebacks that ultimately will do nothing other than reducing available options.

Well that’s the most decisive answer I’ve received as to if I should respond or not. Noted. Thank you. …..Now to find someplace in the U.S. with BAC water in stock.
This is the most baffling part of this whole situation for me; this widespread, unfounded belief that real Hospira BAC has or will become completely unavailable or prohibitively expensive in the US.

I get that the price of the Canadian stuff was somewhat attractive, but BAC water has never stopped being available here in the US. Sure, various sellers will be out of stock from time to time and it appears that there will continue to be periodic shortages but the entire situation is being fueled by irrational panic and endless circular discussion.

Spending a few minutes going through Google search results I found at least a dozen places with single vials of Hospira BAC in stock for $10-$20/ea. Is $10 better than $20? Absolutely, but $20 shouldn't be the end of the world for anyone who is already saving THOUSAND$ by circumventing big pharma's prices.

Even at $20/vial, people who follow the (imho stupid) guidance of starting a new vial every 28 days would be looking at spending a whopping $260 for a one year supply (13 vials). People like me who will use a single vial until it's empty would be out an astonishing $20-$40 for the year. 😱

Member's like @Calm Logic regularly post what sellers have Hospira BAC available and their price, so even people too lazy to search for themselves still can find it without much effort.

Anyway, that's enough eye-rolling and head-shaking for me this week. Everyone needs to chill the flock out over Hospira BAC and concentrate on more important things like discovering ways to avoid muscle and hair loss while losing weight.
 
I received a letter like that 4 years ago, never responded and till today never had a problem with my shipments of peptides. I believe when you respond and admit that you're guilty they will put on that list and check all your shipments.
But I could be wrong and some lazy Customs officer never put my name on the black list.
 
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