Day one

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Either way, once it maxes out on effectiveness, there is nowhere to go if you’re already hitting all the receptors.

I can use a rock to push a nail into the board and then switch the better tool to make more progress or I could just use the hammer to begin with. Someday someone will invent a better hammer.

 

[AndyPanda]

I can use a rock to push a nail into the board and then switch the better tool to make more progress or I could just use the hammer to begin with. Someday someone will invent a better hammer.

You could go straight to morphine for pain, but if ibuprofen works, why would you?

 

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You could go straight to morphine for pain, but if ibuprofen works, why would you?

because morphine has terrible side effects? And it's a rare class of drug that does build tolerance.


Reta has LESS side effects than tirz

 

[AndyPanda]

because morphine has terrible side effects? And it's a rare class of drug that does build tolerance.


Reta has LESS side effects than tirz

You are overthinking this and appear to be responding emotionally. Retatrutide works, but If you are maxed out on it, and it’s no longer effective, what is your next option? If you’re on Semaglutide and it stops working, you can go to Tirzepatide. If you are on Tirzepatide and it stops working, you go to Retatrutide. Let’s also not forget that Retatrutide is still not approved for human use. Anywhere.

 

[GLP1Pharmacist]

You are overthinking this and appear to be responding emotionally. Retatrutide works, but If you are maxed out on it, and it’s no longer effective, what is your next option? If you’re on Semaglutide and it stops working, you can go to Tirzepatide. If you are on Tirzepatide and it stops working, you go to Retatrutide. Let’s also not forget that Retatrutide is still not approved for human use. Anywhere.

Low dose Semaglutide or Cagrilintide stack on Retatrutide?

But I do agree in general- Semaglutide then Tirzepatide then Retatrutide if needed. Makes a difference imho if you need to lose 30lbs vs 100+lbs.

 

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You are overthinking this and appear to be responding emotionally. Retatrutide works, but If you are maxed out on it, and it’s no longer effective, what is your next option? If you’re on Semaglutide and it stops working, you can go to Tirzepatide. If you are on Tirzepatide and it stops working, you go to Retatrutide. Let’s also not forget that Retatrutide is still not approved for human use. Anywhere.

I'm definitely not emotional. And you're completely misunderstanding the point. There is no benefit to starting with semaglutide. The only thing you get is slower progress and more side effects.

Your understanding of how it works is just wrong. Starting with Sema and switching to Tirz dosn't give you a greater overall loss than just starting with Tirz.

They aren't additive.

Makes a difference imho if you need to lose 30lbs vs 100+lbs.

It really doesn't make a difference.

 

[kaahhllll]

Week eleven:

Down another 4lbs this week, continuing on at 1.0mg, but I'm considering titrating up again next week. I haven't had shit for an appetite, but I have felt hungry more lately. I don't like the discomfort of feeling hungry, especially when nothing sounds good enough to change that.

My girlfriend has been on compound sema for almost a year now and has lost about 70lbs. I am 70 days in and have lost half that on extremely small doses of reta. I can't see any reason to worry about tolerances or effectiveness. But also, what about that chart that shows the "strength" of each pep in relation to one another? If tirz has significantly less GLP1 than sema, and reta has significantly less GLP1 and GIC than tirz, what would make someone believe that the former would be rendered ineffective due to use of the latter? They work on different agonists, that's the whole reason for having different compounds.

 

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Week eleven:

Down another 4lbs this week, continuing on at 1.0mg, but I'm considering titrating up again next week. I haven't had shit for an appetite, but I have felt hungry more lately. I don't like the discomfort of feeling hungry, especially when nothing sounds good enough to change that.

My girlfriend has been on compound sema for almost a year now and has lost about 70lbs. I am 70 days in and have lost half that on extremely small doses of reta. I can't see any reason to worry about tolerances or effectiveness. But also, what about that chart that shows the "strength" of each pep in relation to one another? If tirz has significantly less GLP1 than sema, and reta has significantly less GLP1 and GIC than tirz, what would make someone believe that the former would be rendered ineffective due to use of the latter? They work on different agonists, that's the whole reason for having different compounds.

I find the hunger cravings come from not having enough of a given macro. So I just figure out which one it is and try to satisfy that. Also eating more calorie dense foods that don't physically fill you up as fast. 4 lbs in a week is a lot.

 

[kaahhllll]

I find the hunger cravings come from not having enough of a given macro. So I just figure out which one it is and try to satisfy that. Also eating more calorie dense foods that don't physically fill you up as fast. 4 lbs in a week is a lot.

It does seem like a lot, but that's about the average for me throughout this whole period. According to Samsung health, I've been in about a 1500cal defecit every day and I am retaining muscle mass, so I'm not concerned with the rate of loss. Still trying to stick to higher protein than anything for the satiety. And I've been making sure I get a fair amount of fiber and low net carbs. The keto bread world is fantastic by the way, I will buy burger patties from fast food places and throw them on keto buns for 50cal each at like 1g net carbs. Get the filling effect of the bread and still hit my macros pretty well. Only bad thing is that samsung health counts total carbs and doesnt adjust for net carbs offset by fiber, so my tracker looks more carb heavy than it actually is. But I'm averaging TDEE of about 2,900cal, consuming an average of 1700cal, and I have plenty of energy throughout the day.

 

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I think you might feel less hungry if you added an extra 200 calories of regular carbs. Reta does really well for a lot of people when you feed it carbs

I'd cut back on the fat and greatly increase the carbs and protein. I'm only suggesting a change because you mentioned its not working exactly how you want. Your method is obviously working though. Higher protein will also give you longer satiety.

 

[BooneDonk]

I think you might feel less hungry if you added an extra 200 calories of regular carbs. Reta does really well for a lot of people when you feed it carbs

I will agree with this x1,000

 

[kaahhllll]

I was a little put off by the fat amount. But majority of that is from beef, some times cheese and it really adds up. I'll definitely try to cut down on fat, and I'll give it a try to add in some more carbs. It's tough though, because there have been a few days that are higher on carbs and I'm certainly feeling way hungrier on those days, its such an empty macro

 

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I was a little put off by the fat amount. But majority of that is from beef, some times cheese and it really adds up. I'll definitely try to cut down on fat, and I'll give it a try to add in some more carbs. It's tough though, because there have been a few days that are higher on carbs and I'm certainly feeling way hungrier on those days, its such an empty macro

What kind of carbs are you eating? I find rice pretty filling. Now that I'm trying to gain weight I eat more beef but I was definitely eating a lot of chicken in the beggining.

 

[kaahhllll]

What kind of carbs are you eating? I find rice pretty filling. Now that I'm trying to gain weight I eat more beef but I was definitely eating a lot of chicken in the beggining.

Typically rice or potatoes, sometimes protein pasta. Occasionally its sweets or "junk" like poptarts or a rice crispy treats, sometimes chips, but that's when I'm dying before lunch and hit the vending machine at work. I try to stay chicken heavy. But I am big on burgers and steak. I've always been more of a red meat guy.

 

[BooneDonk]

Typically rice or potatoes, sometimes protein pasta. Occasionally its sweets or "junk" like poptarts or a rice crispy treats, sometimes chips, but that's when I'm dying before lunch and hit the vending machine at work. I try to stay chicken heavy. But I am big on burgers and steak. I've always been more of a red meat guy.

Chickens aren’t nearly as personable as cows. I think it’s because they don’t have eyelashes. I’m with you on the red meat.

 

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Typically rice or potatoes, sometimes protein pasta. Occasionally its sweets or "junk" like poptarts or a rice crispy treats, sometimes chips, but that's when I'm dying before lunch and hit the vending machine at work. I try to stay chicken heavy. But I am big on burgers and steak. I've always been more of a red meat guy.

Oh I love beef. But I switched to flap steak mostly for lower fats.

 

[kaahhllll]

Week twelve:

I'm unsure if its these work trips out of town that are fucking me up, or if its that I need to titrate up. Gained back a net of 3lbs this week, and at one point I was back up to 270 during the week. I did 1mg again yesterday, but I am considering doing another 0.5mg on Friday and doing 1.5mg/week moving forward. I'll see how the next couple days go. I will say, I've been very fatigued over the last week or so, and had a pretty aggressive cold or viral URI/sinus infection 2 weeks ago. I'm holding onto a lot of water right now and haven't pooped much recently. I'm thinking my whole system is messed up from being sick and I'll bounce back pretty well soon.

I did try getting in some good carbs throughout the day and I dont see or feel much of a difference, but again, I haven't been feeling well. I also increased my intake a fair bit over the week as per suggestions, and that could be whats thrown everything off. I averaged 1950cal vs the 1650-1700 I had been consistent with. All and all, I think the higher defecit worked a lot better for me and I plan on returning to it.

 

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Week twelve:

I'm unsure if its these work trips out of town that are fucking me up, or if its that I need to titrate up. Gained back a net of 3lbs this week, and at one point I was back up to 270 during the week. I did 1mg again yesterday, but I am considering doing another 0.5mg on Friday and doing 1.5mg/week moving forward. I'll see how the next couple days go. I will say, I've been very fatigued over the last week or so, and had a pretty aggressive cold or viral URI/sinus infection 2 weeks ago. I'm holding onto a lot of water right now and haven't pooped much recently. I'm thinking my whole system is messed up from being sick and I'll bounce back pretty well soon.

I did try getting in some good carbs throughout the day and I dont see or feel much of a difference, but again, I haven't been feeling well. I also increased my intake a fair bit over the week as per suggestions, and that could be whats thrown everything off. I averaged 1950cal vs the 1650-1700 I had been consistent with. All and all, I think the higher defecit worked a lot better for me and I plan on returning to it.

Travel and illness can definitely throw everything off for a bit.

 

[kaahhllll]

Travel and illness can definitely throw everything off for a bit.

Yeah I get that, so I am remaining very positive and staying encouraged. It does suck to see things go backward though