PepZaddy
New Member
Yes, placed an order last Friday (8/23) and my order status is still processing.
Hospira BAC water availability
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I ordered on the 21 of August and still have not received my purchase
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
It took them a week to ship my order... should be here tomorrow...
moonpies4misfits
Advanced Researcher
Mine still said "processing" on the day it was delivered.
Broken Chef
Advanced Researcher
Mine still shows as Processing 2 weeks after it arrived! Most people got it within a week.
I'd tell you to read back through this thread, but see it's now 13 pages, lol Mostly the same thing over and over.
Broken Chef
Advanced Researcher
Hopefully they have new stock and exp date is further out. This place must be wondering wtf is going on with hundreds of Bac water orders over the last 2-3 weeks!
Everyone, do please post the exp dates on the Bac water you are receiving from AMSCO!
moonpies4misfits
Advanced Researcher
Mine are Jan 2026
Broken Chef
Advanced Researcher
I think I'd be more concerned about it being sterile than having the right ph. It has benzyl alcohol in it (a by product of oxidizing benzoic acid), so I'd think it should be lower than neutral ph of 7. I'm no chemist, but seems like it should be slightly acidic, no?
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
My order got delivered today. Ordered on 8/23 and they shipped on the 30th.. I found out from FedEx that it's on the way.. delivered today (Sunday!!!). Exp is January 2026
SmokeySquid
Research Enthusiast
Just received my order this afternoon after ordering on 8/24 with exp date of January 26
Yup me too
TheNorthernDude
New Member
Update on my AMSCO BAC water:
Received it a week or two ago, shrink wrapped 25 pack, Exp 1-26. Tapped one yesterday out of curiousity, pH strip had it at essentially neutral pH. Shook it to make sure the alcohol was distributed, still essentially neutral 7.0 pH. Tested just 70% IPA to make sure my strips weren't bad and that was around 6.5. Grabbed a BAC from work and it also tested at 7 pH and I know those vials are good (large hospital, climate control, zero UV light storage.) That vial also looked identical to the Hospira I received from AMSCO. I know earlier the range was 5.7 to 7, but if IPA has a pH of 6-7 and BAC is only 0.9% IPA, wouldn't we expect it to have essentially neutral to very, very slightly acidic pH?
I guess my question is if the Bac-water that others tested that also had neutral pH was actually ok.
Received it a week or two ago, shrink wrapped 25 pack, Exp 1-26. Tapped one yesterday out of curiousity, pH strip had it at essentially neutral pH. Shook it to make sure the alcohol was distributed, still essentially neutral 7.0 pH. Tested just 70% IPA to make sure my strips weren't bad and that was around 6.5. Grabbed a BAC from work and it also tested at 7 pH and I know those vials are good (large hospital, climate control, zero UV light storage.) That vial also looked identical to the Hospira I received from AMSCO. I know earlier the range was 5.7 to 7, but if IPA has a pH of 6-7 and BAC is only 0.9% IPA, wouldn't we expect it to have essentially neutral to very, very slightly acidic pH?
I guess my question is if the Bac-water that others tested that also had neutral pH was actually ok.
geoguy78
Advanced Researcher
Just an FYI I ordered a batch of 25 from AMSCO last night and got an email this morning asking what my business is, etc.... I'm not in a huge hurry so I plan on blowing the email off and waiting to see what happens, but upon further inquiry in some other peptide groups it sounds like they might be getting overwhelmed with orders and starting to filter out some of the individual buyers.
SmokeySquid
Research Enthusiast
I also got one of those when I ordered a few weeks ago but I ignored it. Later, I sent them an email asking about my order and they simply stated that they are overwhelmed with orders. I got my shipment a few days later without issue so I would think you would be fine. It might take two weeks to get to you though.
moonpies4misfits
Advanced Researcher
Don't worry about it. They send that to everyone. I got one the day my shipment arrived lol
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
that one doesn't have alcohol in it.. it's basically salty water ("Sodium chloride, also known as salt, common salt, table salt or halite")... I'd think that alcohol is a better choice for keeping bacteria away longer
both has b.a, one has sodium chloride AND benzyl alcohol
"contains sodium chloride 9 mg and 0.9% (9 mg/mL) benzyl alcohol"
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
must have missed that.. sorry
MiniatureSnail
Research Enthusiast
I wish I'd noticed that you could actually buy these individually. I'll never use 25 vials and it feels wasteful. 🙁 (obv. a personal hangup lol)
MrsRoper_1977
Advanced Researcher
You could always resale the extra.
MarisWinter
Research Enthusiast
How do you all even KNOW you will need that BAC through 26? Confident, aren’t you. I bought three full price pens months ago and I can’t even figure them out. However, it’s my Birthday and one of the super kids said figuring it out would be my gift. If It doesn’t work, I will gift them to the oldest Pepper who requests it. We will see. Ugh, to be 74, and all that jamming magical juice isn’t making me golden with peppers.
🙂 If they are the PepPen style and the super kids/you need a little help send me a DM.
I'm not the smartest but was able to get mine working a week or two ago...
If you have an extra cartridge I did multiple experiments filling and emptying it with plain Bac Water/water to test out how it works. Also tested if the injection size was accurate.
MarisWinter
Research Enthusiast
Thanks, YOU are fabulous! I read your comment to SuperDaughter, so the pressure is on! The big day is Sunday, so we will see. I have to say, I do lots of magical Peps, so this would be great. Thanks!
I think that's standard for them. I got the same email a few weeks ago before people started mobbing them. Just typical corporate sales stuff. I just told them it was for personal use and never got a response back. Water still shipped.
tangoecho311
Research Enthusiast
I'd buy a few off you!
geoguy78
Advanced Researcher
I'm just gonna play dumb and not respond. I still have 3+ weeks of compounded tirz left and might buy one more month of it if I decide to send a vial of my soon-to-arrive Amo T30 off for testing before I take the plunge and pin it
I'll take some off your hands if you want to split.
I had ordered some from ebac-water, after reading here I decided to order from AMSCO. The ebac-water ones do look very weird. The date, the label, and the exp date, and the stopper all seem wrong.
AMSCO order took almost two weeks to show up, still shows as processing on the website. Ordered 10 bottles.
AMSCO order took almost two weeks to show up, still shows as processing on the website. Ordered 10 bottles.
tangoecho311
Research Enthusiast
I got my order from AMSCO in about 5 days. But I'm only 5 hours from one of their locations. I did get the standard "what kind of business do you do" email. The rep was super friendly. I decided to add on a couple things before my order shipped, and they were happy to do so. The small sharps container I ordered was out of stock. They kindly offered to substitute with a slightly larger one.
I also ordered bac water, insulin needles/syringes, alcohol swabs, and sterile drapes. Everything was well packaged. 10/10 recommend
I also ordered bac water, insulin needles/syringes, alcohol swabs, and sterile drapes. Everything was well packaged. 10/10 recommend
geoguy78
Advanced Researcher
Supposedly they shipped to me. Wish they provided tracking info, their website says it was delivered two days ago....
tangoecho311
Research Enthusiast
did you check your invoice? I received an invoice when my order shipped that had the tracking # on the bottom.
geoguy78
Advanced Researcher
No I didn't receive anything from them. Only reason I know it shipped is because I went into my order history on their website and it says that it shipped. But it says it was delivered a few days ago.... The plot thickens
I've been meaning to check in on you and see if you and SuperDaughter were able to get your pens working. 🙂
If not you may want to post in the PepPens thread and we should be able to help
Just posted in PepPens with some links for working with the Pens in case anyone needs it.
PepPen Thread Link
Pinufles
New Member
Received my pack from Amsco today. Exp date is Jan-26
great catch! I got some 🙂
PurpleCatFur
New Member
ordered some a few weeks back, May 2025 exp. will need more by then anyway.
If you are still looking to split, I'd be happy to 🙂
Broken Chef
Advanced Researcher
Already split with someone, sorry... But you don't have to buy a full case. Change the case drop down to bottle and get what you want.
It's $15 shipping, so I'd suggest buying enough to last you until the exp date on current stock, which appears to be Jan 2026.
It's stored at room temp, and how long you work out of the bottle, once tapped into, is your call. Mfr recommends 28 days, but many go 3 months. Just use a sharpie on the bottle and date it when you tap in the first time. You can read through this thread from the beginning, and make your own decision on how long to work out of the same bottle. I have a bit of a surplus, so I'll probably just use it for 6 weeks and toss the rest. Lots of people go 3 months though.
As with every aspect of research, it's entirely up to you and what level of safety you want to apply to your own research. No one can tell you these things, they can only say what they do and argue why. This is why thorough research should be done by each individual. It's your Research Subject, you make the call.
A 30yo farm boy from Iowa who gets cut on rusty barbed wire frequently and had rabies twice can handle more low level bacteria than an anemic 77yo with an autoimmune disease and 18 other health conditions.
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MiniatureSnail
Research Enthusiast
Rabies twice! LOL
So the bac water is stored at room temp even after puncture? Thanks for clarifying!
Broken Chef
Advanced Researcher
I'm not giving names, lol but "some" store it in the fridge after puncture.
I asked my aunt about this. She's a nurse and has owned/operated an assisted living facility for 16 years. She said that storing it in the fridge causes the alcohol in it to degrade. I left it at that, she was busy.
I suppose, one could argue that by storing it in the fridge, the cooler temps slow bacterial growth, making up for the degraded alcohol or making it last longer. As a chef, I have to think this is true, but I'm not a dr, scientist, or chemist.
So again, you do you!
Personally, with my current stock, and at $3-$4 a bottle, I will stretch the mfr 28 days to 6-8 weeks, depending on the situation, not store in the fridge, and call it a day!
However - I recently added a new RS that is 77yo, has an autoimmune disease, and other health conditions. So, going forward, I will be running everything through .22 micron syringe filters, into brand name ("non Amazon") empty sterile vials, and not using bac water past 28 days - for that RS. I will also not administer from vials beyond 8 weeks from recon date, for this RS.
I do, in fact, practice what I preach!
SmokeySquid
Research Enthusiast
In the closet under some clothes. Thus providing the "cool and dark" requirement for proper storage 😆
thank you so much... I'll try to stay just below rabies level but with lots of work experience in healthcare I agree with your assessment <3
Hmm interesting, never heard that before! All I can seem to find is that benzyl alcohol degrades with exposure to air, but it's unclear how much of that is mitigated when preserved in water.
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Broken Chef
Advanced Researcher
Lol I used to keep Captain Morgan in the freezer... But I wasn't injecting it and a 100 proof is a "tad" more than .9%.
Storing in the fridge makes sense to me, but I'd think that if it stored better in the fridge, the manufacturer would say to store it in the fridge, not room temp.
But they also say to toss it after 28 days and many use it for 2-3 months.
Yeah, I couldn't find anything about temp other than the recommended storage at room temp.
Maybe the recommendations are designed to sell more product...
Text below is AI generated, so whether you trust it or not is up to you - but it makes sense to me.
In theory it could last a very long time - probably until it's empty. But that would require a perfectly sterile environment and no fluctuations in storage conditions etc. So in practice I probably wouldn't keep a bottle more than 2-3 months. But I'm also fine with just using sterile water, so I'd say it's up to everyone to consider whether they would take a small risk of getting an infection to save a couple $
Storage Recommendations and Shelf Life of Bacteriostatic Water
Bacteriostatic water contains benzyl alcohol, which acts as a preservative, allowing the solution to be used multiple times by inhibiting bacterial growth. Proper storage and handling are essential to maintain its effectiveness and safety.Why Store at Room Temperature?
Storing bacteriostatic water at room temperature (20-25°C or 68-77°F) is optimal for several reasons:- Preservative Stability: Benzyl alcohol is most stable and effective at room temperature. Refrigeration can cause precipitation or reduce its bacteriostatic properties.
- Avoiding Condensation: Refrigerating and removing the vial from cold storage can lead to condensation, increasing the risk of contamination.
- Maintaining Chemical Stability: Temperature fluctuations, such as those from refrigeration, may degrade the solution over time.
28-Day Recommendation After First Use
It is recommended to discard bacteriostatic water 28 days after opening, even though it’s designed for multiple uses. This is a safety precaution due to:- User Handling Errors: Each time the vial is accessed, the risk of contamination increases, especially if sterile techniques aren’t strictly followed.
- Practical Concerns: The 28-day limit ensures safety under typical conditions, where minor user errors might introduce bacteria.
Could It Last Longer with Proper Handling?
Theoretically, bacteriostatic water could have an unlimited shelf life after opening if perfect sterile techniques are followed consistently, including using new sterile needles and properly disinfecting the stopper before every use. Under ideal conditions, the benzyl alcohol would continue to inhibit bacterial growth indefinitely.However, the 28-day rule exists because achieving absolute sterility is difficult in real-world settings, and small user errors could introduce contamination over time.
Conclusion
While bacteriostatic water could last indefinitely with perfect handling, the 28-day guideline is a conservative safety measure due to the risk of contamination. Storing it at room temperature ensures stability, and while it may remain effective beyond 28 days under ideal conditions, the rule minimizes risks in typical use.Interesting, so what about all our peptides that we refrigerate in bac water?🤔
If you are talking about sterility and whether they could give you an infection, the same principles apply. They will however deteriorate faster after reconstituted, though the degree of deterioration is largely overestimated.
Semaglutide for example should still be close to 100% of the initial potency even 120days after reconstitution in the fridge (assuming it's sterile), the estimated potency loss is 1-2%. Around 5-10% after a year. The numbers would be more or less the same for tirz and reta. More sensitive peptides could see a 20-30% potency loss after 120 days.
The main reason for the 28 days is still unintended contamination and "better safe than sorry", contamination can also speed up degradation. So it's best to use vials that you will empty in roughly 4 weeks if you want to stay as safe as possible and retain the maximum potency.
