Hospira BAC water availability

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Top Vendors Say No To Chinese Made Recon Solutions - UPDATED 18 AUGUST​

Pfizers HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic is disappearing from peptide vendor sites.
It seems legal pressures have caused this industry-leading product to rapidly become scarce.

In the past three days several popular US sources have sold out or removed HOSPIRA from view. Skye Peptides, Polaris and other top sales outlets no longer list it.

UPDATE: Industry sources say Bacteriostatic Water may soon lbecome unavailable if you cannot supply a medical license or a prescription. That is the legal basis on which pressure to desist is being applied to the vendors.

Among the Top Quality Aware outlets I follow only Precision Peptides and Tydes Research still have HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic Water available for purchase.

Quality Aware Peptide Vendor Sources
• Precision Peptides - Hospira 30ml Vial $14.00 each
• Tydes Research - Hospira 30ml Vial $12.00 each

Other Vendors who have Bacteriostatic Water available
without requiring a medical license:
• Atlantic Medical Supply - Bacteriostatic Water 30ml $13.99
• Bacteriostatic Water - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95
• Direct Health Shop - Hospira 30ml Vial $14.95
• Peptide Shop - Hospira 30ml Vial $8.00
• Peptide Stock - Hospira 30ml Vial 3-Pack $30.00
• Pharma Grade Peptides - Hospira 30ml Vial $12.99
• Westend Medical Supply - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95

Bulk Orders
• AMSCO Medical - Hospira 30ml Vial - 25/box $75.00

When asked one prominent peptide-business owner replied "No cease and desist but they have tightened access and it's coming. We refuse to carry some random Chinese made reconstitution solution so it's Hospira or bust for us". He requested anonimity.

I don't know how others may feel about this impending shortage. For myself and my Research Alligator I've ordered a year's supply of HOSPIRA to hoard store along with an equal amount of GLP1s.
- dionysos
 
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dionysos said:

Top Vendors Say No To Chinese Made Recon Solutions​

Pfizers HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic is disappearing from peptide vendor sites.
It seems legal pressures have caused this industry-leading product to rapidly become scarce.

In the past three days several popular US sources have sold out or removed HOSPIRA from view. Skye Peptides, Polaris and other top sales outlets no longer list it.

Among the Top Quality Aware outlets I follow only Precision Peptides and Tydes Research still have HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic Water available for purchase.

Precision Peptides - Hospira 30ml Vial $14.00 each
Tydes Research - Hospira 30ml Vial $12.00 each

Additional vendors who have it available without requiring a medical license:

Peptide Stock - Hospira 30ml Vial 3-Pack $30.00
Westend Medical Supply - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95

When asked one prominent peptide-business owner replied "No cease and desist but they have tightened access and it's coming. We refuse to carry some random Chinese made reconstitution solution so it's Hospira or bust for us". He requested anonimity.

I don't know how others may feel about this impending shortage. For myself and my Research Alligator I've ordered a year's supply of HOSPIRA to hoard store along with an equal amount of GLP1s.
- dionysos
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Thank you for sharing this information! Big Pharma again….those bastards.
 
It will continue to be available on legit medical supply sites like Westend right? If so, I guess not that big of a deal.
 
goldngrl98 said:
Has anyone purchased from Peptide Shop before? They have the Hospira 30ml bottles for $8. They also have a 15% off your first purchase and volume discounts.
Peptide Shop 30ml $8
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I have purchased from them good products and company when they have sales. Thanks. I will place an order with them for bac water. Good find
 
goldngrl98 said:
Has anyone purchased from Peptide Shop before? They have the Hospira 30ml bottles for $8. They also have a 15% off your first purchase and volume discounts.
Peptide Shop 30ml $8
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Well spotted @goldngrl98
And especial thanks for SHARING THE LINK with all of us!
🐊QAlligator Tips His Hat To You
I've added your Bac Water find to the original HOSPIRA post and my signature link.
It will also be added on Reddit where possible.
Thanks again for being Quality Aware and community-minded. @goldngrl98
 
peptideusername said:
If you’re purchasing many or are willing to sell off a few: https://amscomedical.com/product-index/bacteriostatic/bacteriostatic-water-30ml-794

$75 for 25 count 30ml vials
$3/vial
I have personally purchased this and it showed up in 2 days by UPS.
Expiration: NOV 2025
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So, if you ordered this a couple of months ago, the ones shipping now probably have a later expiration date, would you think?

Most people agree it's fine to use a vial for 90 days assuming meticulous sterile technique (alcohol swabs/clean needles etc.), right?
 
MiniatureSnail said:
Can anyone with a current vial tell me how long it's good unopened?
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Typically unopened/unpunctured bac water can last two years from production date in a dry dark place or fridge. 28days after first puncture. Some say 60 days. At anytime that you see even one speck of a particle floaters in water do not use and dispose of. Always use alcohol wipes on vials before each puncture.
 
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MiniatureSnail said:
So, if you ordered this a couple of months ago, the ones shipping now probably have a later expiration date, would you think?

Most people agree it's fine to use a vial for 90 days assuming meticulous sterile technique (alcohol swabs/clean needles etc.), right?
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I tell people 28 days 60 max based on knowing so many will not use alcohol to sterilize the caps. Yes 90 if you are meticulous. ( I use a UV light sterilizing wand and alcohol during vial punctures and reconstituting.) At anytime you see floaters in Bac water do not use and throw away.
 
MiniatureSnail said:
So, if you ordered this a couple of months ago, the ones shipping now probably have a later expiration date, would you think?

Most people agree it's fine to use a vial for 90 days assuming meticulous sterile technique (alcohol swabs/clean needles etc.), right?
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i ordered mine a couple of weeks ago FYI
 
meowTime said:
It will continue to be available on legit medical supply sites like Westend right? If so, I guess not that big of a deal.
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Bacteriostatic Water will likely become unavailable if you cannot supply a medical license or a prescription as that is the legal basis on which pressure is being applied to the vendors.
 
dionysos said:
Bacteriostatic Water will likely become unavailable if you cannot supply a medical license or a prescription as that is the legal basis on which pressure is being applied to the vendors.
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This is so dumb. It's water with alcohol, this isn't a controlled substance. Eli Lilly gets more cringe by the day.
 
meowTime said:
This is so dumb. It's water with alcohol, this isn't a controlled substance. Eli Lilly gets more cringe by the day.
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It IS DUMB that Lily is doing this.

I hate to be THAT GUY however I probably AM that guy so here I go...

Bacteriostatic Water has a drug code on file at the NIH.

It is a PRESCRIPTION DRUG hence subject to various controls on its distribution and use. Seems foolish to enforce the law for this narrow purpose but this is where we are.

Read the monograph here: BACTERIOSTATIC WATER Rx only for Injection, USP

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KYRivianMan said:
Our member here PeptideUsername posted :
If you’re purchasing many or are willing to sell off a few: https://amscomedical.com/product-index/bacteriostatic/bacteriostatic-water-30ml-794

$75 for 25 count 30ml vials
$3/vial
I have personally purchased this and it showed up in 2 days by UPS.
Expiration: NOV 2025
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👀😃😍

If someone would like to split a case with me...

$75 plus $15 shipping
+ $10-$15 reship half case

About $50 each for 12/13 bottles. I'll even give you the extra bottle, lol

I just got 3 bottles, so 12 is more than I can use by Nov 2025, but cheaper than buying 4 bottles from Precision. If I had excess at that price, I'd go 1-2 months per bottle instead of stretching it out to 3.


Also, does anyone know the reason behind the suggested storage at room temp? As a chef, I have to think keeping it in the fridge would prolong shelf life by slowing bacterial growth... I'm wondering if storing untapped vials in the fridge would make it last past exp date?? But I'm not a biologist/chemist, so there could be more to this than my food brain can account for.
 
Does anyone know if this will apply to reputable brands of sterile water as well? I am less familiar, but hospira seems to make that as well.
 
dionysos said:

Top Vendors Say No To Chinese Made Recon Solutions - UPDATED​

Pfizers HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic is disappearing from peptide vendor sites.
It seems legal pressures have caused this industry-leading product to rapidly become scarce.

In the past three days several popular US sources have sold out or removed HOSPIRA from view. Skye Peptides, Polaris and other top sales outlets no longer list it.

UPDATE: Industry sources say Bacteriostatic Water may soon lbecome unavailable if you cannot supply a medical license or a prescription. That is the legal basis on which pressure to desist is being applied to the vendors.

Among the Top Quality Aware outlets I follow only Precision Peptides and Tydes Research still have HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic Water available for purchase.

Precision Peptides - Hospira 30ml Vial $14.00 each
Tydes Research - Hospira 30ml Vial $12.00 each

Additional vendors who have it available without requiring a medical license:

Peptide Shop - Hospira 30ml Vial $8.00
Peptide Stock - Hospira 30ml Vial 3-Pack $30.00
Westend Medical Supply - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95
Bacteriostatic Water - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95

When asked one prominent peptide-business owner replied "No cease and desist but they have tightened access and it's coming. We refuse to carry some random Chinese made reconstitution solution so it's Hospira or bust for us". He requested anonimity.

I don't know how others may feel about this impending shortage. For myself and my Research Alligator I've ordered a year's supply of HOSPIRA to hoard store along with an equal amount of GLP1s.
- dionysos
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Well! I just fought for 20 minutes with The Peptide Shop software and left really irritated, without my Hospira! Must head off to buy some! The software won.
 
Broken Chef said:
👀😃😍

If someone would like to split a case with me...

$75 plus $15 shipping
+ $10-$15 reship half case

About $50 each for 12/13 bottles. I'll even give you the extra bottle, lol

I just got 3 bottles, so 12 is more than I can use by Nov 2025, but cheaper than buying 4 bottles from Precision. If I had excess at that price, I'd go 1-2 months per bottle instead of stretching it out to 3.


Also, does anyone know the reason behind the suggested storage at room temp? As a chef, I have to think keeping it in the fridge would prolong shelf life by slowing bacterial growth... I'm wondering if storing untapped vials in the fridge would make it last past exp date?? But I'm not a biologist/chemist, so there could be more to this than my food brain can account for.
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Sent you a DM
 
goldngrl98 said:
Has anyone purchased from Peptide Shop before? They have the Hospira 30ml bottles for $8. They also have a 15% off your first purchase and volume discounts.
Peptide Shop 30ml $8
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I ordered today, Thurs 9AUG. UPS tracking says it will be delivered to Michigan Monday 12AUG. FYI, the 15% discount was applied automatically, even though I only ordered 1 bottle.
 
dionysos said:

Top Vendors Say No To Chinese Made Recon Solutions - UPDATED​

Pfizers HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic is disappearing from peptide vendor sites.
It seems legal pressures have caused this industry-leading product to rapidly become scarce.

In the past three days several popular US sources have sold out or removed HOSPIRA from view. Skye Peptides, Polaris and other top sales outlets no longer list it.

UPDATE: Industry sources say Bacteriostatic Water may soon lbecome unavailable if you cannot supply a medical license or a prescription. That is the legal basis on which pressure to desist is being applied to the vendors.

Among the Top Quality Aware outlets I follow only Precision Peptides and Tydes Research still have HOSPIRA Brand Bacteriostatic Water available for purchase.

Precision Peptides - Hospira 30ml Vial $14.00 each
Tydes Research - Hospira 30ml Vial $12.00 each

Additional vendors who have it available without requiring a medical license:

Peptide Shop - Hospira 30ml Vial $8.00
Peptide Stock - Hospira 30ml Vial 3-Pack $30.00
Westend Medical Supply - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95
Bacteriostatic Water - Hospira 30ml Vial $16.95

When asked one prominent peptide-business owner replied "No cease and desist but they have tightened access and it's coming. We refuse to carry some random Chinese made reconstitution solution so it's Hospira or bust for us". He requested anonimity.

I don't know how others may feel about this impending shortage. For myself and my Research Alligator I've ordered a year's supply of HOSPIRA to hoard store along with an equal amount of GLP1s.
- dionysos
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Aren’t you doing the Lilly legal intern’s work for them by publishing this list of suppliers for them to go after? This lack of discretion is how we got into this situation to begin with.
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
Does anyone know if this will apply to reputable brands of sterile water as well? I am less familiar, but hospira seems to make that as well.
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dionysos said:
cision Peptides - Hospira 30ml Vial $14.00 each
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exploitedworkerbee said:
Aren’t you doing the Lilly legal intern’s work for them by publishing this list of suppliers for them to go after? This lack of discretion is how we got into this situation to begin with.
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I spent a few years as a computer and software technology vendor to three-letter agencies in Washington. Currently I am a digital consultant to international enterprises in the area of organic search.

All of these suppliers can be found in the Google Search Index by unsophisticated searchers.

Nothing we do here or think we hide here aids or impedes Lily or a sophisticated researcher they may hire.

I say this to you because it is my professional knowledge and not speculation.
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Aren’t you doing the Lilly legal intern’s work for them by publishing this list of suppliers for them to go after? This lack of discretion is how we got into this situation to begin with.
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If the legal pressure is really happening, I would argue he is doing a service for all of us by letting us know quickly where we could get it if needed...before any legal pressure on these companies has enough time to move through the system.
Also If we think they don't already know these sellers or could find them much easier than All of us I think we are kidding ourselves.
All just a giant game of Whack-O-Mole...Buy our supplies now...then sit back and wait for them to move onto the next big "threat".
 
dionysos said:
I spent a few years as a computer and software technology vendor to three-letter agencies in Washington. Currently I am a digital consultant to international enterprises in the area of organic search.

All of these suppliers can be found in the Google Search Index by unsophisticated searchers.

Nothing we do here or think we hide here aids or impedes Lily or a sophisticated researcher they may hire.

I say this to you because it is my professional knowledge and not speculation.
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PepOhio said:
If the legal pressure is really happening, I would argue he is doing a service for all of us by letting us know quickly where we could get it if needed...before any legal pressure on these companies has enough time to move through the system.
Also If we think they don't already know these sellers or could find them much easier than All of us I think we are kidding ourselves.
All just a giant game of Whack-O-Mole...Buy our supplies now...then sit back and wait for them to move onto the next big "threat".
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Doing a favor to those who don’t know where to get bac water while screwing those that do because they had the wherewithal to do some research. Burning sources isn’t cool but I have been around long enough to know that it isn’t a fight worth having any more than complaining about off leash dogs or Bluetooth speakers on trails. Some people just aren’t wired in a way that they recognize that sometimes keeping things to themselves is indeed for the good of the community.
 
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exploitedworkerbee said:
Doing a favor to those who don’t know where to get bac water while screwing those that do because they had the wherewithal to do some research. Burning sources isn’t cool but I have been around long enough to know that it isn’t a fight worth having any more than complaining about off leash dogs or Bluetooth speakers on trails. Some people just aren’t wired in a way that they recognize that sometimes keeping things to themselves is indeed for the good of the community.
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@exploitedworkerbee

You think activities on Peppys Forum are meaningfully concealed?
Individuals who want to know about them already have them if they wish it.

For enterprises like Lily nothing that resides on digital media connected to the Internet is hidden.
Keep things to yourself or not as you choose EWB, it's irrelevant.

My goal is raising Quality Awareness and promoting Harm Reduction in the online Peptide space.
Nothing I publish about vendors is news to pharma enterprises.

I will therefore publish the information that benefits consumers - our "researchers" - as I think appropriate.

Dennis FOREMAN
 
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dionysos said:
@exploitedworkerbee

You think your activities on Peppys Forum are meaningfully concealed?
Individuals who want to know about them already have them if they wish it.

For enterprises like Lily nothing that resides on digital media connected to the Internet is hidden.
Keep things to yourself or not as you choose EWB, it's irrelevant.

My goal is raising Quality Awareness and promoting Harm Reduction in the online Peptide space.
Nothing I publish about vendors is news to pharma enterprises.

I will therefore publish the information that benefits consumers - our "researchers" - as I think appropriate.

Dennis FOREMAN
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I don’t burn sources on any platform including peppy’s so not sure what you’re on about there. But anyway thanks for putting a fine point on the fact that, as I said, no point in bickering, some people don’t appreciate the importance of discretion. I’ll be sure not to loop you in when I identify the next good source, as that’s the only aspect of this that I have any control over. Here’s hoping good sources stay off your radar as long as possible, so some of us can use them before you burn them.
 
I bought a case and it should arrive on Monday. It's more than I need. If anyone wants to split at cost please message. I am happy to share.

Update: already split. Thanks!
 
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MindlessMinimum said:
I have, as well as their syringes. BAC water was fine but the syringes aren’t the best.
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Yeah, those look just like the Chinese sourced syringes on Amazon which have a well-deserved rep as being 2nd rate.

Bectin-Dickinson is the US industry standard and deservedly so.
They cost $21.36 for 90, delivered from my fave supplier ADW Diabetic Supplies. I’ve got a link to them in my Fast GLP Start Guide in my signature line and on my Profile page.
 
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dionysos said:
Bectin-Dickinson is the US industry standard and deservedly so.
They cost $21.36 for 90, delivered from my fave supplier ADW Diabetic Supplies. I’ve got a link to them in my Fast GLP Start Guide in my signature line and on my Profile page.

EDIT: BUY THEM QUICKLY before Big Syringe reads about my recommending them here and shuts down ADW!
/s
LOL
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So you started this thread by talking about how pressure could force places to stop selling bac without a prescription.
Then you list a bunch of places that could be pressured into stopping if that pressure is applied.
Then you go on to admonish someone for pointing out that publicly listing them could be bad by using sarcasm to poke fun at the idea of companies being pressured to stop selling.

I don’t follow this logic at all.
 
okthen said:
I bought a case and it should arrive on Monday. It's more than I need. If anyone wants to split at cost please message. I am happy to share.
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Please lmk what the exp date is on them. I sent emails asking 5 different places. So far Nov 2025 is the farthest out.
 
meowTime said:
I received my case from AMSCO and the exp is Nov 2025.
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TYVM! seems like this is the best date available atm. This is the 3rd place now with that date. I'm waiting to hear back from 1 more place B4 I order, but suspect it's the same or sooner.
 
I'm new here (used to just using compounded stuff), and I know slightly off topic, but what syringes are you all using to reconstitute the BAC water with your peptides? just trying to have everything in order with Lilly being annoying.
🙂
 
headdead said:
I ordered today, Thurs 9AUG. UPS tracking says it will be delivered to Michigan Monday 12AUG. FYI, the 15% discount was applied automatically, even though I only ordered 1 bottle.
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when you receive your order can you please tell the expiration date? thank you!
 
octoroach said:
I'm new here (used to just using compounded stuff), and I know slightly off topic, but what syringes are you all using to reconstitute the BAC water with your peptides? just trying to have everything in order with Lilly being annoying.
🙂
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Bectin-Dickinson 1cc 31gauge 5/16” needle for the win!

Links on my Profile page in the Fast Start GLP1 Guide or my Signature line.

And WELCOME!!!
 
octoroach said:
I'm new here (used to just using compounded stuff), and I know slightly off topic, but what syringes are you all using to reconstitute the BAC water with your peptides? just trying to have everything in order with Lilly being annoying.
🙂
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I can't imagine ever having issues getting syringes. And you'll get a variety of answers. I use a 3ml syringe with 22 guage 1" needle for recon. I get them from Amazon.

Syringes for Injection are a different animal. I've found the ones on Amazon are not sharp, so I switched to these:

BD Ultra-Fine 31g 1cc Insulin Syringe | ADW Diabetes

Find BD Ultra-Fine Insulin Syringes 31G 1cc 5/16in 90/bx online today. Save on a wide selection of BD products at www.adwdiabetes.com. Free shipping on orders over $89
www.adwdiabetes.com www.adwdiabetes.com
 
dionysos said:
Bectin-Dickinson 1cc 31gauge 5/16” needle for the win!

Links on my Profile page in the Fast Start GLP1 Guide or my Signature line.

And WELCOME!!!
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oh I thought you needed a special "bigger" syringe to suck out more of the BAC (2 ml / 3 ml) for when you mix it with the peptide. thank you for your guides and all that you do I have used your info a ton 🙂
 
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