I took a chance with LSPL

the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
OUCH again!
 
LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag 🚩I needed.
 
LSPL is very upfront about ZZQ being a "subsidiary" (as they put it) of theirs. I'm not sure what their goal is in running the two identically, with no difference in product selection, pricing, target market of any discernible sort. But I wouldn't take it as a red flag.

Their understanding of the point to lab testing, the importance of clearly distinct numbered batches with distinct cap colors, and their posting of inappropriate CoAs) -- that's another story. I strongly suspect they have a false participant in the current third-party group tests and will violate 30-day secrecy rules to post the resulting CoA immediately. Those I'd take as red flags.
It's unfortunately really easy to have a second account for that. 😔
 
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It was the upfront admittance by “Ava” that they do not test their products, only their clients do. When I pressed for a test report from her clients, she sent me the old tests that ZZQ/LSPL have now both posted. They’re not manufacturers, just sellers, and don’t have a positive clue of what they’re selling. That was the only red flag 🚩I needed.
In an ideal world, vendors would test the product only for their own integrity, before putting a batch on the market (or at least before fulfilling any orders. But the public shouldn't put trust in tests they commission, so I'm sort of glad if they stand back and stay out of testing. What they can (but seem not to) do is maintain total separation between batches, with a unique number/color for each...without which any testing is much less valuable.

I don't see why people even seek claim/truth about being manufacturers or not. It's a supply chain, and vendors are fine...if they act appropriately in ensuring product quality and reputation, which is in the interest of each participant in the supply chain. They're then free to focus on marketing/aftermarket support, building reputation, micromanaging logistics and delivery (no small matter), and answering every newbie's (including my own!) stupid questions on multitudinous forums.
 
OUCH, too late for me. I just placed a fat order over $600 yesterday. Keep the bad news coming guys LOL
Remember the days at Dunkin Donuts when at the entry there was a window on the left where you could watch them make the donuts? Or when you walked into an Olive Garden and they were making homemade pasta at what's now is a bar full of bratty kids?

I think after the zero peps fiasco they know the ruse is over. The donuts and pasta come from a central location and so do our peps.

I bet your order will be just fine.
 
What they can (but seem not to) do is maintain total separation between batches, with a unique number/color for each...without which any testing is much less valuable.
and for this reason i will be a PGB lifer. idc if it has a 50% markup from QSC or whoever else is fighting for the lowest price. cap colors/batch numbers listed on the product. a central repository of 1st round/2nd round testing (which is vendor testing and a pseudo 2nd/3rd party testing respectively). zero issues with deliveries (they don't sell what they don't have in stock and ready to ship). i also like that they're the exclusive partner with XCE/XYX (for GLP1's) which has a long track record compared to what we've got on the market today.
 

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