Nexaph testing

[Cain_SPC]

And some more

 

[GimmeABreak]

I think Cain's transparency is giving us a view to "how the sausage is made".

I am currently reviewing hundreds of test results posted on a popular peptide testing site. EVERY vendor has bad batches that either fail purity or mass, every single vendor. None of them are getting this level of scrutiny, because they would not provide the level of response and interaction that we are getting from Cain. From many, you would have a hard time getting replacement vials for a failed test. "You sent to Trust Pointe? We only accept results from Jano." I have seen this actual response from one of the CN vendors. Nexaph is sending replacements automatically.

This is the gray market and the inputs required (raws, filler, vials, stoppers, crimps) all introduce risks to the final product.

As customers the best thing we can do is test and try to hold vendors accountable for issues with quality. Plus, publicly call them out when they don't address the issue.

 

[nccane]

I think Cain's transparency is giving us a view to "how the sausage is made".

I am currently reviewing hundreds of test results posted on a popular peptide testing site. EVERY vendor has bad batches that either fail purity or mass, every single vendor. None of them are getting this level of scrutiny, because they would not provide the level of response and interaction that we are getting from Cain. From many, you would have a hard time getting replacement vials for a failed test. "You sent to Trust Pointe? We only accept results from Jano." I have seen this actual response from one of the CN vendors. Nexaph is sending replacements automatically.

This is the gray market and the inputs required (raws, filler, vials, stoppers, crimps) all introduce risks to the final product.

As customers the best thing we can do is test and try to hold vendors accountable for issues with quality. Plus, publicly call them out when they don't address the issue.

To be fair, until recently, that was Cains response as well when a Tirz came back under purity. It was even in his 99% gurantee disclaimer.

I think he just recently started utilizing trustpointe with the 3rd party tests.

With that said, your point stands. They all fail.

Cains history is why people give him more shit than everyone else. Cain knows that and he's trying to do everything he can to deliver to his customers to rid himself of the early days. I understand that, most should. I give cain business and I also question him when necessary (albeit no where near the witch hunt that occurs on peppys and here)

I have a simple rule for nexaph (as I do all vendors). I won't use it until I see a vendor test and a 3rd party one i was involved in. It's people using vials willy nilly that get them in trouble....like with the nexaph reta and the sry t60/t45

 

[GimmeABreak]

Just so we're clear about what my specific concerns are, I'm not all that worried about the fact that Nexaph has a bad batch. I am worried about the how and why behind that result.

I understand that and I think the response that we received is probably all that we are going to get. I also think this is a ton more info than most CN providers would share. What would Tracy say? My guess is there would be crickets.

 

[noteablequotable]

I understand that and I think the response that we received is probably all that we are going to get. I also think this is a ton more info than most CN providers would share. What would Tracy say? My guess is there would be crickets.

I don't buy from QSC for that very reason and probably never will despite how popular they are

You get the treatment you accept, and if we constantly overlook the same problems they'll keep coming up.

 

[Nikki nik]

Sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with this dude? Running a profitable peptide business isn't rocket science. You buy product from a reputable manufacturer or distributor, pay for some tests to confirm quantity (and where relevant sterility), then sell for cost + profit to people with some nice stickers on it.

That's the ENTIRE business model.

There's no need to do all of this weird shit. Cain appears to be an actual pathological liar

Anyway, someone should probably let the folks on the other forum know. Probably not me since I think the gator may be mad at me. @DwightTheDelight, @milos, @Bacchus, you all are in good standing. Any one of you want to take one for the team?



Yeah but he still tried it which is a problem on its own.

I will never order from Nexaph again

 

[Cain_SPC]

So it seems there is still some confusion regarding the histidine with the reta issue. Ill give a timeline of what happened so we are all clear.

1. Sent samples in to Jano, samples include Tesamorelin 10mg, TB4 10mg, Reta 12mg, Tirz 15mg all in the same package.
2. Janoshik receives samples and tests them. Analysis conducted on October 17th.
3. On October 18th Janoshik sends me test results of all 4, 3 of them had purity issues. He also sent me information on the low purity stating
"
Hello my friend,

the major impurities in some of the samples elute early and I am thinking maybe you have started using some new filler or something? "

4. I replied to Jano stating that histidine was used with Tesamorelin and TB4 and may have been used with Retatrutide as well. If i send you a sample of the histidine, can you test it against the samples and see if that might be why?
5. He obliged to test the histidine against the samples and inform me.
6. I announced in the Telegram group on October 18th "
We received our test report today for the Reta 12mg. We noticed that the purity was below 99%. We contacted Jano to get clarity on why this may have happened and he informed us the impurity may be from a filler/excipient we used. We are sending him a sample of the excipient (histidine) to test separately and to recalculate the purity.
If purity after re calculation is still below 99%, we will reship the Reta 12mg to everyone who purchased it."
7. Retest came back, histidine was detected in Tesamorelin and TB4 but was not detected in Retatrutide.
8. I informed telegram group that histidine wasn't the issue and the reta still came back below purity, i set a schedule for the re ship of the product.


All in all, i was too hasty in announcing that the impurity may have been histidine when in fact it was never even used with the Retatrutide. But i wanted to inform everyone that there was an issue with that reta batch asap as soon as i found out so people can make an informed decision on if they should use it or not.

The test reports that were sent:
https://janoshik.com/tests/50675-Tesamorelin_10mg_Blue_cap_Purple_crimp_HG9U96VP7A69
https://janoshik.com/tests/50676-TB4_10mg_Orange_cap_Purple_crimp_1ZAE7U6VP7EF
https://janoshik.com/tests/50677-Retatrutide_12mg_Neon_green_cap_Purple_crimp_4AL3Y8QUVG64
https://janoshik.com/tests/50678-Tirzepatide_15mg_Transparent_cap_Purple_crimp_53UEEK6VBD4Z

 

[keangkong]

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Thanks for pushing this in the other forum, devyn. I know it's not easy to have a go against so many dissenting opinions, but I appreciate you doing that the same way I appreciate Cain coming in here to explain. Neither are particularly easy. I hope this continues to happen.

I feel fairly satisfied with his final response in gator land, are you feeling the same or am I missing something?

I couldn't find his response in gator land. Granted, I was afraid of getting bitten and only stayed there for a short time. It seems to me that Cain makes too much of an effort to explain things when he should say something to the effect of "I'm just a reseller" or "I bought a powder. I thought it was fine. I didn't understand that I should have asked what additives it contains before I stuck it in vials. Now I ask." Cain would do better if he didn't answer so many questions that results in Cain getting caught trying to falsely portray himself as a manufacturer. Cain does receive much criticism that likely has to do with his history.

 

[DwightTheDelight]

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I couldn't find his response in gator land. Granted, I was afraid of getting bitten and only stayed there for a short time. It seems to me that Cain makes too much of an effort to explain things when he should say something to the effect of "I'm just a reseller" or "I bought a powder. I thought it was fine. I didn't understand that I should have asked what additives it contains before I stuck it in vials. Now I ask." Cain would do better if he didn't answer so many questions that results in Cain getting caught trying to falsely portray himself as a manufacturer. Cain does receive much criticism that likely has to do with his history.

Specifically these two were what I was referring to.

 

[brentm]

I couldn't find his response in gator land. Granted, I was afraid of getting bitten and only stayed there for a short time. It seems to me that Cain makes too much of an effort to explain things when he should say something to the effect of "I'm just a reseller" or "I bought a powder. I thought it was fine. I didn't understand that I should have asked what additives it contains before I stuck it in vials. Now I ask." Cain would do better if he didn't answer so many questions that results in Cain getting caught trying to falsely portray himself as a manufacturer. Cain does receive much criticism that likely has to do with his history.

Seems like too many words were used...

Too many words used before sale. Before testing. After testing. Now. Then.

The root cause is overuse of words.

 

[JohnnyGobbs]

Is my Reta part of the compromised batch or no? Just catching up on this thread but I’m a Customer and haven’t been following lately. Just wondering. Thx!

 

[Nikki nik]

Pretty sure the other forum is sponsored by Cain. They suck cains pp so hard over there it's not even funny.

Reminds me of B from Aminos... how you can see folks slobbering through the phone screen for his attention

 

[DwightTheDelight]

Is my Reta part of the compromised batch or no? Just catching up on this thread but I’m a Customer and haven’t been following lately. Just wondering. Thx!

Yeah, that's the batch that was affected. Did you receive a replacement kit? You should have. I got one last week.

 

[DwightTheDelight]

It's being replaced for free anyway. May as well, someone will be happy to have it, the only issue seems to be that it's degraded a bit. Other people will keep testing it, and name brand only requires 97% purity. If it degrades slowly enough someone will want it.

I think what made me most nervous about that batch is the wording jano used in the picture Cain shared - something along the lines of major impurities at the beginning of the read. I obviously have no knowledge about any of this stuff, but that makes me worried about it's safety. Do you think that's dumb reasoning to be worried and I'm overreacting?

 

[chmuse]

I think what made me most nervous about that batch is the wording jano used in the picture Cain shared - something along the lines of major impurities at the beginning of the read. I obviously have no knowledge about any of this stuff, but that makes me worried about it's safety. Do you think that's dumb reasoning to be worried and I'm overreacting?

I don't think it's dumb at all, but I think once we cut through all the mess, the result was that it's degrading faster than expected due to the new dehydration process. I'd wait for the repeat tests over time before coming to a decision. You're getting a free replacement anyway. Someone will be willing to fork over some cash on the gamble that it tests fine, and if you are uncomfortable, that's also fair.

But.... People like oyster exist. Someone will buy it. Just be honest about which batch it is.

 

[DwightTheDelight]

I don't think it's dumb at all, but I think once we cut through all the mess, the result was that it's degrading faster than expected due to the new dehydration process. I'd wait for the repeat tests over time before coming to a decision. You're getting a free replacement anyway. Someone will be willing to fork over some cash on the gamble that it tests fine, and if you are uncomfortable, that's also fair.

But.... People like oyster exist. Someone will buy it. Just be honest about which batch it is.

I appreciate that, chmuse. I'd really love to be able to use it, so I think I'll take your advice and hang on to it to see how this all plays out with future tests. I can use the second batch first.

 

[chmuse]

Can you tell me where you posted in the other forum? I wanted to respond to a thread I was tagged in but Gator locked it before I got there.

Nexa Orders: Who Likes Em? In Quality Awareness

Just scroll past me talking about Justin Bieber.

And sorry, that thread was locked because of me.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Nexa Orders: Who Likes Em? In Quality Awareness

Just scroll past me talking about Justin Bieber.

And sorry, that thread was locked because of me.

This message is approaching a beautiful haiku, so I had chatgpt take it all the way….

Nexa orders rise,

Bieber chatter scrolls away—

Locked thread, my regret.

 

[chmuse]

This message is approaching a beautiful haiku, so I had chatgpt take it all the way….

Nexa orders rise,

Bieber chatter scrolls away—

Locked thread, my regret.

Nah. I regret making myself look dumb though. My pretty little empty head was on full display.

 

[GimmeABreak]

Is my Reta part of the compromised batch or no? Just catching up on this thread but I’m a Customer and haven’t been following lately. Just wondering. Thx!

Not according to the jano QR code on your container. The bad batch was in this timeframe though.