Tracy gone MIA?

[hexagonal]

Spoken like someone who has never actually taken steroids, gj wasting everyone’s time. I’m on test, mast, and tren around half a gram total and my bp is staying under 120/70 so clearly not really the issue here and other lifestyle factors are

It's well known that some people tolerate steroids better than others. IFBB pros exist and most of them don't fall over dead. I'm legitimately glad for you that you respond well and that it has minimal impacts on your blood pressure. That isn't the case for everyone, even those that are at healthy weights, do regular cardio, have a good diet, etc.

Your anecdotal experience does not invalidate mountains of scientific research and broad consensus on the impacts of AAS use.

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

i wish i had done roids back in my 20s like all my friends and everybody was. i might look like something now.

 

[geoguy78]

It's well known that some people tolerate steroids better than others. IFBB pros exist and most of them don't fall over dead. I'm legitimately glad for you that you respond well and that it has minimal impacts on your blood pressure. That isn't the case for everyone, even those that are at healthy weights, do regular cardio, have a good diet, etc.

Your anecdotal experience does not invalidate mountains of scientific research and broad consensus on the impacts of AAS use.

I think like everything else, it's all about moderation. In the case of pro bodybuilders, not just moderation in steroids and supplements, but moderation in behavior as well. Years of blasting to the max, extreme cutting cycles, crash diets, etc. are going to take a toll and you're going to have a higher likelihood of adverse health events and decreased longevity. Your average guy on a "TRT+" type regimen or a hobbyist lifter running "normal" cycles is probably going to be okay. I see no harm in it as long as you're using common sense and watching your bloods and mental state closely.

 

[FreeSpectator8]

I think like everything else, it's all about moderation. In the case of pro bodybuilders, not just moderation in steroids and supplements, but moderation in behavior as well. Years of blasting to the max, extreme cutting cycles, crash diets, etc. are going to take a toll and you're going to have a higher likelihood of adverse health events and decreased longevity. Your average guy on a "TRT+" type regimen or a hobbyist lifter running "normal" cycles is probably going to be okay. I see no harm in it as long as you're using common sense and watching your bloods and mental state closely.

I think thats what most of us pro-caution individuals are getting at. Pro body builders absolutely throwing their hormones in a tail spin is very different then jim and joe trying to recover quicker and get some bigger gains. I want to try using HGH with 1-2 IU to help keep my muscle mass up while im on glp1's, alternatively GHRP-2 is interesting to me by simply increasing what my body already produces.

 

[hexagonal]

I think like everything else, it's all about moderation. In the case of pro bodybuilders, not just moderation in steroids and supplements, but moderation in behavior as well. Years of blasting to the max, extreme cutting cycles, crash diets, etc. are going to take a toll and you're going to have a higher likelihood of adverse health events and decreased longevity. Your average guy on a "TRT+" type regimen or a hobbyist lifter running "normal" cycles is probably going to be okay. I see no harm in it as long as you're using common sense and watching your bloods and mental state closely.

There is significantly less risk in moderate usage of AAS than extremely high levels, to be sure.

But there is increased risk even at trt+ levels. You want to minimize it watching your bloods, bp, etc., for sure. But it's still more than if you weren't doing it.

I've got no issue with people using AAS - I'm on TRT, and am saving the extra vials of test I get for increased dosages when I get my weight and bf% down. If I have success, I'll be adding more AAS to that for future cycles. In no way am I against the use of AAS.

What I am against is people acting like there are no risks. The science just simply doesn't support the idea that it is just as safe as not using it, or that there are no side effects. That's not even the prevailing stance on places like meso.

Of course not everyone take AAS turns into a gigantic asshole, or has their heart explode, or whatever. Despite consuming copious amounts of marijuana over decades, I have never had it cause paranoia. Lots of people don't experience any paranoia at all, even at very high doses. But I'm still going to caution people that that is a well known side effect of smoking weed. Even if AAS use only amplifies existing feelings or tendencies, the difference between an amplified response might be walking away from an argument muttering under your breathe vs. getting into a shouting match.

 

[yelloeyes]

i wish i had done roids back in my 20s like all my friends and everybody was. i might look like something now.

Most of the ones I know that did need GLP1s now...

 

[geoguy78]

There is significantly less risk in moderate usage of AAS than extremely high levels, to be sure.

But there is increased risk even at trt+ levels. You want to minimize it watching your bloods, bp, etc., for sure. But it's still more than if you weren't doing it.

I've got no issue with people using AAS - I'm on TRT, and am saving the extra vials of test I get for increased dosages when I get my weight and bf% down. If I have success, I'll be adding more AAS to that for future cycles. In no way am I against the use of AAS.

What I am against is people acting like there are no risks. The science just simply doesn't support the idea that it is just as safe as not using it, or that there are no side effects. That's not even the prevailing stance on places like meso.

Of course not everyone take AAS turns into a gigantic asshole, or has their heart explode, or whatever. Despite consuming copious amounts of marijuana over decades, I have never had it cause paranoia. Lots of people don't experience any paranoia at all, even at very high doses. But I'm still going to caution people that that is a well known side effect of smoking weed. Even if AAS use only amplifies existing feelings or tendencies, the difference between an amplified response might be walking away from an argument muttering under your breathe vs. getting into a shouting match.

The risks (and hassle. there's some micromanagement involved) are why I haven't dabbled yet. I made the call to get my weight/bodyfat where I need it to be, retest my levels and go from there. I'm not "clinically" low (the range of "acceptable" levels is hogwash though) just on the cusp, so for now I'm unsure as to whether i want to take on the hassle.

 

[keangkong]

no, no.

i've just learned not to be so damned honest about everything.

lie my ass off like everybody else. i get in DMs with people and find out they're trying like 30 things. i'm like why do i take all the flak

You're not supposed to admit that you're not being honest. Doing that is way too honest.

 

[Peptoidian]

Just curious, what does a "TRT+" type regimen typically consist of? I know what TRT is, and I've learned a ton about peptides, and I know what AAS is (but have never done them.) What's the "+" that folks who do TRT typically do?

 

[stickfigure]

That's AAS abuse disguised as TRT. Makes people feel better about themselves.

Disclaimer: I think responsible adults should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as it doesn't put additional burden on society.

 

[hexagonal]

Just curious, what does a "TRT+" type regimen typically consist of? I know what TRT is, and I've learned a ton about peptides, and I know what AAS is (but have never done them.) What's the "+" that folks who do TRT typically do?

Increasing their testosterone dosage to put them in the supraphysiological range, but not by a huge margin. Or adding a low dosage of an additional AAS. Some TRT clinics even prescribe var/deca/winny .

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

This is such a stupid dangerous thing to say its not even funny. Are you seriously trying to say that because you personally are not currently suffering any negative side effects, then it must be that there is nothing bad about steroids? Are you that dense.

110% what he said!
Especially tren! For god’s sake have you lost your mind???!!!

 

[glpfun]

That's AAS abuse disguised as TRT. Makes people feel better about themselves.

Disclaimer: I think responsible adults should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as it doesn't put additional burden on society.

Says the person injecting peptides with way less clinical research and human studies. You don’t even know what risks you’re taking.

 

[stickfigure]

Care to elaborate which peptides without human studies I inject? I have nothing against AAS, but your claim about a person you don't know is ridiculous.

 

[glpfun]

Just curious, what does a "TRT+" type regimen typically consist of? I know what TRT is, and I've learned a ton about peptides, and I know what AAS is (but have never done them.) What's the "+" that folks who do TRT typically do?

Some clinics do test + deca so you can get help with joints from deca. Outside of clinical settings you commonly see people add mast or primo which are fairly mild and mostly cosmetic in effect and then for cutting you might see test, mast, and low dose tren like 70 mg a week. The low dose of tren help you keep muscle during a cut and keeps water retention down, hardly any side effects at that dose either. Low dose HGH is also common to add to trt+ like 2-4 iu. The real definition of trt+ is doses that are sustainable for long periods of time without risks to health.

 

[pepaccount]

Has anyone received their order yet? haha
but seriously, I have 2 orders outstanding from around Christmas time. I never did get tracking numbers. Nothing shows as incoming on USPS. Got my fingers crossed.

I'm in the same situation. One order in the wind. One showed up smashed and poorly packaged and one made it without issue. (All from black Friday but we're supposed to ship mid December from US WAREHOUSE) I'm obviously hoping the last one will arrive but not counting on it now. They offered to reship smashed stuff if I paid shipping and for 3 extra bottles but I didn't want to send them more cash with an out-standing order and limited communication. I'm not a hater..I really want them to work out. And I can wait. We'll see.

 

[Lullabytreehugger]

Some clinics do test + deca so you can get help with joints from deca. Outside of clinical settings you commonly see people add mast or primo which are fairly mild and mostly cosmetic in effect and then for cutting you might see test, mast, and low dose tren like 70 mg a week. The low dose of tren help you keep muscle during a cut and keeps water retention down, hardly any side effects at that dose either. Low dose HGH is also common to add to trt+ like 2-4 iu. The real definition of trt+ is doses that are sustainable for long periods of time without risks to health.

Dear lord almighty… you are one stupid guy …
There is nothing safe about Tren!!!
No trt clinic prescribes tren.

 

[shieldzz]

where is heeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[glpfun]

Dear lord almighty… you are one stupid guy …
There is nothing safe about Tren!!!
No trt clinic prescribes tren.

Don’t throw stones in a glass house lil buddy https://glp1forum.com/threads/attention-all-vendors-suppliers.1684/

Linked an example of you being a lab rat by combining drugs that have never been studied before together at high doses as opposed to tren which has a ton of medical literature and studies because it’s been around since the 70s like most aas. Harm reduction patterns exist with tren, you unfortunately don’t even know what you’re doing to yourself, but keep telling yourself tren is bad.

 

[shieldzz]

Don’t throw stones in a glass house lil buddy https://glp1forum.com/threads/attention-all-vendors-suppliers.1684/

Linked an example of you being a lab rat by combining drugs that have never been studied before together at high doses as opposed to tren which has a ton of medical literature and studies because it’s been around since the 70s like most aas. Harm reduction patterns exist with tren, you unfortunately don’t even know what you’re doing to yourself, but keep telling yourself tren is bad.

Not a single molecule you creep