That’s theoretically how it works. Godspeed though
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Spoken like someone who has never actually taken steroids, gj wasting everyone’s time. I’m on test, mast, and tren around half a gram total and my bp is staying under 120/70 so clearly not really the issue here and other lifestyle factors areSomething being decriminalized means very little for the safety profile of use. It's perfect legal to eat and drink nothing but hamburgers and soda, but it's still awful for you. Alcohol is legal in most of the world, heavy use of it is still awful for you.
Abusing a drug, again, in the medical/research context, refers to using something outside of medical supervision and in doses beyond the therapeutic dose. So yes, some of us are abusing peptides. But AAS users in this context are almost universally abusing them, as the therapeutic doses for drugs like test, deca, etc., are well below the levels used by people using them for their effects in muscle growth.
You don't have to spend long on meso to find a post of yet another person not getting bloods, downplaying their high blood pressure, etc. Or pretending their BP isn't an issue because telmisartan has gotten it under control. Professional bodybuilding and AAS use are highly correlated with an increase in mortality. It's hard to prove causality, but there is enough data around it and a plethora of mechanisms that explain potential causes, so the idea that gym bros are pinnacles of health despite their AAS usage is not an idea that stands on particularly firm ground.
Dead Bodybuilders Speaking from the Heart: An Analysis of Autopsy Reports of Bodybuilders That Died Prematurely - PMC
This study analyzed publicly available autopsy reports of male bodybuilders under the age of 50 who reportedly died from cardiovascular-related events. A general Google search with the terms “dead bodybuilders” was performed on 10 February 2022. Six ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Morbidity and mortality in patients testing positively for the presence of anabolic androgenic steroids in connection with receiving medical care. A controlled retrospective cohort study - PubMed
Observations by health-care professionals suggest that the use of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) may be associated with lethal complications, but this has not yet been confirmed by controlled epidemiological studies. Here, we investigated the diagnoses (in the Swedish patient care records)...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Health consequences of androgenic anabolic steroid use - PubMed
Androgenic anabolic steroid users have an increased risk of dying and significantly more hospital admissions than their nonuser peers. Side effects of AAS and their metabolites were highly prevalent. Given the high rate of androgenic anabolic steroid abuse, these side effects are of public...Anabolic steroids and cardiovascular risk: A national population-based cohort study - PubMed
Non-therapeutic exposure to AAS appears to be an independent risk factor for cardiovascular morbidity and premature death.
Roid rage is an unscientific term that does little to explain the complex way AAS use impacts the brain, but the idea that they have no neurological impact is simply false (see the studies I linked a few pages back), and for many users, it 100% manifests as increased aggression and anger. Many AAS users have specifically spoken about it, such as Dr. Mike Israetel. The idea that some of these AAS just make you calm and others are the real monster maker is not something we have any specific evidence for in the literature. Some people might experience no or minimal impact. Others might experience significant impact.
Look: No one here is saying to not use AAS. This community in general seems to very much fall in line with the idea that adults should be able to inject what they want in their body and make their own decisions about the trade offs of doing so.
But let's not act like AAS use is all sunshine and daffodils. There's not a free lunch, you're not getting to pack on additional muscle at significantly enhanced rates without negative impacts to your health, and in a statistically significant portion of AAS users, those impacts include increased anger and aggression. Underplaying the medical risks of AAS usage only encourages irresponsible use of them by leaving the users uninformed.
FreeSpectator8
New_Member
This is such a stupid dangerous thing to say its not even funny. Are you seriously trying to say that because you personally are not currently suffering any negative side effects, then it must be that there is nothing bad about steroids? Are you that dense.
It's well known that some people tolerate steroids better than others. IFBB pros exist and most of them don't fall over dead. I'm legitimately glad for you that you respond well and that it has minimal impacts on your blood pressure. That isn't the case for everyone, even those that are at healthy weights, do regular cardio, have a good diet, etc.
Your anecdotal experience does not invalidate mountains of scientific research and broad consensus on the impacts of AAS use.
raw_oyster_eater
New_Member
i wish i had done roids back in my 20s like all my friends and everybody was. i might look like something now.
geoguy78
Research Enthusiast
I think like everything else, it's all about moderation. In the case of pro bodybuilders, not just moderation in steroids and supplements, but moderation in behavior as well. Years of blasting to the max, extreme cutting cycles, crash diets, etc. are going to take a toll and you're going to have a higher likelihood of adverse health events and decreased longevity. Your average guy on a "TRT+" type regimen or a hobbyist lifter running "normal" cycles is probably going to be okay. I see no harm in it as long as you're using common sense and watching your bloods and mental state closely.
FreeSpectator8
New_Member
I think thats what most of us pro-caution individuals are getting at. Pro body builders absolutely throwing their hormones in a tail spin is very different then jim and joe trying to recover quicker and get some bigger gains. I want to try using HGH with 1-2 IU to help keep my muscle mass up while im on glp1's, alternatively GHRP-2 is interesting to me by simply increasing what my body already produces.
There is significantly less risk in moderate usage of AAS than extremely high levels, to be sure.
But there is increased risk even at trt+ levels. You want to minimize it watching your bloods, bp, etc., for sure. But it's still more than if you weren't doing it.
I've got no issue with people using AAS - I'm on TRT, and am saving the extra vials of test I get for increased dosages when I get my weight and bf% down. If I have success, I'll be adding more AAS to that for future cycles. In no way am I against the use of AAS.
What I am against is people acting like there are no risks. The science just simply doesn't support the idea that it is just as safe as not using it, or that there are no side effects. That's not even the prevailing stance on places like meso.
Of course not everyone take AAS turns into a gigantic asshole, or has their heart explode, or whatever. Despite consuming copious amounts of marijuana over decades, I have never had it cause paranoia. Lots of people don't experience any paranoia at all, even at very high doses. But I'm still going to caution people that that is a well known side effect of smoking weed. Even if AAS use only amplifies existing feelings or tendencies, the difference between an amplified response might be walking away from an argument muttering under your breathe vs. getting into a shouting match.
Most of the ones I know that did need GLP1s now...
geoguy78
Research Enthusiast
The risks (and hassle. there's some micromanagement involved) are why I haven't dabbled yet. I made the call to get my weight/bodyfat where I need it to be, retest my levels and go from there. I'm not "clinically" low (the range of "acceptable" levels is hogwash though) just on the cusp, so for now I'm unsure as to whether i want to take on the hassle.
