WARNING: AVOID AMINOS RESEARCH AT ALL COSTS!!! DANGER!!!

[ZippityDooDah]

So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

 

[MarisWinter]

So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

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I knew he was insane and Narcissistic, the way he Godlike handles his FB group. Horrifying.

 

[Chizikitide-1977]

I'd think this were an April fools joke if it wasn't coming up in September.

This is troubling considering so many thought of this vendor as reliable for so long. It makes me wonder what else in the peptide world isn't what it seems.

 

[Garbo]

So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

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So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

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How "interesting" that he's the guy underwriting the Peppy's website...

 

[MarisWinter]

How "interesting" that he's the guy underwriting the Peppy's website...

Like I said. Too many years s a Therapist. The cult like behaviors he displays, the fawning masses, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand UP. I got out of there.

 

[Drey77]

YIKES!!!!!

 

[moonpies4misfits]

Damn it, I just got an order from them today (first time). Ugh.

 

[Deleted member 1393]

My thoughts exactly. This shit is scary. They are playing mad scientist. He could have just sold Tz under a different name.

 

[clevesand]

Something doesn't make sense. He says it's not a combo/blend but then has a Jano report meaning he had to tell Jano what to test for. This also looks bad for Jano that he wouldn't detail exactly what he found in it and just made up a novel unscientific name to call it.

 

[FourthQuintile]

So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

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Is the unique key cut off because of the screenshot, or was it not included? If cut off because of the screenshot, I would be curious to see it. Based on what I've read, I doubt Janoshik has a reference for a completely new peptide that has no prior public knowledge.

That said, I'm presuming honestly that it wasn't included, based on the positioning of the report and the bottom buttons. So, this report is almost certainly a fake test report. Per Janoshik on Meso, there are a large number of faked reports floating around.

For anyone else looking and seeing this message: If you are sent a Janoshik "test report" from a vendor, but the bottom of the page with the verification key is cut off, PRESUME THE TEST REPORT IS FAKE AND INVALID. Every single legitimate Janoshik test has both a unique task number at the top, and a unique key for verification at the bottom. With just these two pieces of information, you can go directly to Janoshik's website and verify the report.

If both are not present, then you cannot verify the report, and either the vendor must provide this key, or you must (in the strongest opinion and terms I can possibly express) presume the report is fake, invalid, meaningless, and worthless. Do not ever, EVER order from ANY VENDOR who does this, no matter their reasoning, or how nice they come across as, or how quickly they respond. No testing is bad enough. Faking testing? Pathetic, disgraceful, and nobody should be ordering from any vendor who does this.

 

[moonpies4misfits]

If you are sent a Janoshik "test report" from a vendor, but the bottom of the page with the verification key is cut off, PRESUME THE TEST REPORT IS FAKE AND INVALID.

This is good information, thank you. I always make sure to check Janos site to see if things match up. In this case I think it was just cut off as you can see the phone buttons at the bottom of the screenshot and the QR pulls up the report on Janos site. My question is, if this is some new concoction, how can it even be verified? I'm not sure how the whole testing process works, but it makes me nervous. Like how do they have a reference to compare it against? Did AR just provide like a molecular structure or something like that? Forgive me for being ignorant, but I genuinely am curious because people are going to see a link to a Jano report and just assume everything is all hunky dory and that's really fucking scary.

 

[Deleted member 1393]

So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

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Thank you for using your platform to inform as others are simply deleting any posts associated to this. Hopefully the less informed ones will catch on and avoid this company.

 

[milos]

it sounds a bit insane to me, something like CanTydes style

 

[Deleted member 1393]

it sounds a bit insane to me, something like CanTydes style

I don't even think they would have the balls to do that ! Lol

 

[H1n1vrz89]

I feel something like this is usually the straw that breaks the camels back, watch people get sick or worse from this. this will bring more restrictions/pressure from pharma to stop the sale of peptides.
damn, how nuts you need to be to inject yourself with a "new peptide" he made in his sink..
and im sure theres people out there wanting this... ugh....

 

[mostlydamp]

It's one thing to sell a kind of established research chemical, this is something else legally I think. These people are going to get smacked down hard by law enforcement when someone gets hurt or dies.

 

[Lankiegirl]

Ohh man I just ordered sema from them Monday sigh

 

[scurvy-dabbler]

Yeah this is super sketch. Peppys has shut down all conversation about it because Brandon funds the site.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Something doesn't make sense. He says it's not a combo/blend but then has a Jano report meaning he had to tell Jano what to test for. This also looks bad for Jano that he wouldn't detail exactly what he found in it and just made up a novel unscientific name to call it.

Jano was asked about this (see screen shot), I don't see any issue with his being asked to test for a novel substance by the manufacturer and then testing for it. He isn't in the business of picking good and bad vendors and evaluating novel compounds, he's in the business of testing stuff for hire. People need to remember that a good jano report doesn't mean something is safe, it means the vial sent to the lab contained what the client said it contained, which is what happened here.

 

[clevesand]

Jano was asked about this (see screen shot), I don't see any issue with his being asked to test for a novel substance by the manufacturer and then testing for it. He isn't in the business of picking good and bad vendors and evaluating novel compounds, he's in the business of testing stuff for hire. People need to remember that a good jano report doesn't mean something is safe, it means the vial sent to the lab contained what the client said it contained, which is what happened here.

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But what is clear to me is its not a novel chemical. It's just mad scientist mixing of existing stuff - contrary to him saying otherwise - and then telling Jano what to test for. If I sent Jano a test for "Cleve's Triple 7" that was 7mg of Tirz Sema and Cagri I would expect an analytical report to show 7 mg of all three of those chemicals and not something that says it's "Cleve's Triple 7"

 

[Qingdao Sigma]

But what is clear to me is its not a novel chemical. It's just mad scientist mixing of existing stuff - contrary to him saying otherwise - and then telling Jano what to test for. If I sent Jano a test for "Cleve's Triple 7" that was 7mg of Tirz Sema and Cagri I would expect an analytical report to show 7 mg of all three of those chemicals and not something that says it's "Cleve's Triple 7"

It's not a blend of existing stuff, that's why it doesn't show in the reports like a mix

 

[Garbo]

Damn it, I just got an order from them today (first time). Ugh.

Please, please do not worry about the product that is now in your hands! I am not here to "endorse" AR but I cannot bear the idea of you now being anxious about your purchase.

Although this latest "new peptide" development is very troubling and absolutely unacceptable, their known-peptide products have maintained an impeccable reputation for quality. Everything has always been tested, always meets purity and quantity standards. A great deal of third-party testing has confirmed their own Janoshik testing. It has NOT all been a ruse. This has been a very good vendor; I have a lot of their product from the "before times," and I won't hesitate to use any of it.

That being said, I will never purchase from them again, because I will not support this new venture that has crossed the line.

 

[roxygirl]

I immediately popped in over here to find out what’s truly happening. Peppy’s is doing damage control only. Thank you for being transparent Gonk. I had no doubt you would.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

But what is clear to me is it’s not a novel chemical. It's just mad scientist mixing of existing stuff - contrary to him saying otherwise - and then telling Jano what to test for. If I sent Jano a test for "Cleve's Triple 7" that was 7mg of Tirz Sema and Cagri I would expect an analytical report to show 7 mg of all three of those chemicals and not something that says it's "Cleve's Triple 7"

I agree that if it's a blend it shouldn't be presented as a single compound, but at the moment between BB Amino's claims and jano's statement/report I don't see why you're assuming it's a blend. All the limited evidence we're working from points to it being a single compound. I'm getting the sense you're trying to gin up a scandal at the edges where there isn't one while ignoring the giant scandal that is in fact present.

 

[Revo39564]

It's not a blend of existing stuff, that's why it doesn't show in the reports like a mix

Fair point. ( although I do appreciate the heads up so thank you for that, op )

I always miss the QR code part 😳

But yeah, looks like my question and yours were answered later on, Janoshik was provided with a reference by AR, and tested it against said reference. As much as Janoshik is a highly, highly valued part of this greater overall community, he is exactly one single part of it: Does provided sample contain what the test request is looking to see if it contains?

FWIW part of me also figures that if such a substance could be created, and had anything close to what is claimed for effectiveness...Big Pharma would (rightfully so arguably) have been all over it. If semi-random vendor can have a lab create this, so could any of Big Pharma. Only obstacle I can think of there would be if it infringes on the patents for S or T, that would stop them from it.


As a devil's advocate response, I'd like some sort of Phase 1 testing on a compound at absolute bare minimum, and in particular having that testing rather than being charged for the "privilege" of being the Phase 1 tester myself, which is basically what this is.

What even would a researcher dose this as? If it is a molecule that is part S and part T, well, on a milligram basis those doses are very different. 2.5mg is the T starting dose. 2.5mg is the current S long-term dose. Should someone administer 0.25mg? 2.5mg? In between? More? Less?

At least after a Phase 2 trial, a researcher would have a halfway decent idea of what dosage and schedule for administration may or may not cause whatever set of desired effects and unwanted side effects one is comfortable with.

I was checking places to test tirzepatide . One lab used by a compounding pharmacy in Texas and required a reference sample for the tirz I wanted to test. Lots of room for fraud there.

The lab I use now had never tested tirz …. He didn’t want a reference sample he wanted the AA sequence and molecular weight…..

 

[Chizikitide-1977]

Im trying to think through this logically with the limited info we have.

Regarding the jano test, for that to work jano would need a reference sample. And ideally the reference sample should not come from the same source as the sample tested to be a true independent test. However since this is a novel chemical there may only be one place that can create it. So in that case, assuming Brandon provided both the reference sample and the test sample, all the test proves is that 2 bottles of mystery powder have the same peptides.

If someone with better background with testing knows of a flaw in this, please correct me if my understanding is wrong here. Also, I know that it's a bit of an assumption that the reference sample and test sample came from the same source. Maybe that would violate some ethical line jano wouldn't cross, but I just don't see how else they could source a brand new chemicals.

Edit, looks like in the time my post was waiting for approval, someone confirmed Brandon provided the reference sample.

 

[FourthQuintile]

The lab I use now had never tested tirz …. He didn’t want a reference sample he wanted the AA sequence and molecular weight…..

The AA sequence should actually be in the patent for it. That's partly why the other manufacturers are able to make it. The patent requires how the molecule is created in the lab, and the AA sequence. Anyone with enough lab equipment can just follow those instructions.

The patent for Tirzepatide from Eli Lilly is US9474780. Not going to direct link a source here for it out of a most likely overabundance of caution, but just searching that number will pull up any number of sources showing that full patent. The AA sequence is in there.

Im trying to think through this logically with the limited info we have.

Regarding the jano test, for that to work jano would need a reference sample.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/janoshik-analytical-laboratory-testing-services.134405067/page-53#post-3330639

Screenshotting here for those who don't want to click to Meso, Zippity can feel free to remove this screenshot if there are any concerns about it, the link is definitely fine.

 

[H1n1vrz89]

He just Scrubbed everything off of Facebook, and stated the project has been halted indefinitely.

 

[MrsRoper_1977]

They’re “halting their project indefinitely” so everyone can calm down.

 

[Revo39564]

The AA sequence should actually be in the patent for it. That's partly why the other manufacturers are able to make it. The patent requires how the molecule is created in the lab, and the AA sequence. Anyone with enough lab equipment can just

The patent for Tirzepatide from Eli Lilly is US9474780. Not going to direct link a source here for it out of a most likely overabundance of caution, but just searching that number will pull up any number of sources showing that full patent. The AA sequence is in there.

Yes was easy to find the molecular weight and amino acid sequence info to submit to lab …That is why I am testing there now lol. The other lab actual wanted a reference tirz sample to test against….. seemed like an area for potential fraud .