I'm going to shoot for losing 100 pounds in 6 months

raw_oyster_eater said:
i had ordered this: https://www.flexussports.com/products/amilean-fat-loss-lotion-with-2-aminophylline

they don't have it and they're trying to talk me into this: https://pavlikperformance.com/products/metaboderm

there's actually study that says Aminophylline works so i don't know about the botanical stuff.
the above are external topical fat melters.

there are also injectable fat melters that are supposed to directly act on the fat cell destroying the membrane. (lemon bottle, lipo lab, dr lipo, neobella, skinderma, desobody and several others) the main ingredients: PPC PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE, deoxycholic acid, enzymes from pineapple Bromelain, Riboflavin, and Lecithin etc. Dermatologists are providing these treatments for hefty fees.
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you can look into Ephedrin HCL or a ECA Stack. I think it works better as Aminophylline. But its not a cream
 
Chizikitide-1977 said:
Have you considered MOTS-C? Exercise in a bottle, I swear I feel 20 years younger since I started taking it.
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I second this, adding MOTS-C to tirz was truly night and day for me in terms of energy and ability to work out, it's the one thing I would actually recommend @raw_oyster_eater add to your extensive list of peps to try 😆

Although I don't know that even MOTS can overcome a 500 calorie a day diet. There are mixed results, too - some people report they feel nothing.
 
Tomes said:
I second this, adding MOTS-C to tirz was truly night and day for me in terms of energy and ability to work out, it's the one thing I would actually recommend @raw_oyster_eater add to your extensive list of peps to try 😆

Although I don't know that even MOTS can overcome a 500 calorie a day diet. There are mixed results, too - some people report they feel nothing.
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I can’t wait to research it. I already have Mots-C in my stockpile but patiently waiting on my SS31 order. I heard that it works better if you’re older, not so much for younger people. I just sure hope I feel 20 years younger like @Chizikitide-1977.😃
 
MrsRoper_1977 said:
I can’t wait to research it. I already have Mots-C in my stockpile but patiently waiting on my SS31 order. I heard that it works better if you’re older, not so much for younger people. I just sure hope I feel 20 years younger like @Chizikitide-1977.😃
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I actually used MOTS without SS-31 first, which I heard is effective if mitochondria are already relatively healthy (which I'd like to think mine are). I've now added SS to see if it amplifies the impact for me; sort of hard to tell so far, but it's certainly no worse.

ETA: I'm medium old, depends on your definition 😳
 
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Tomes said:
I actually used MOTS without SS-31 first, which I heard is effective if mitochondria are already relatively healthy (which I'd like to think mine are). I've now added SS to see if it amplifies the impact for me; sort of hard to tell so far, but it's certainly no worse.

ETA: I'm medium old, depends on your definition 😳
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Lol! Ya, no one has put a number on it, but I just know I’m not young.😅 I’m glad you are getting benefits, at least from the Mots-C. Makes me hopeful.
 
PepOhio said:
Great to hear your success!
If you don't mind me asking I am wondering if you have noticed any help/relief with those addictions while taking glp1 meds. I believe I have seen this mentioned somewhere.
I have a niece who really needs to loose weight and also has a severe alcohol issue (falling down/passing out level) but isn't ready to get help...I've casually mentioned glp1 meds to her. Wondering if the glp1's might also be a "backdoor" that ends up helping her with both if she tries them. I'm pretty sure she didn't win the good organ lottery. Sadly not sure she will make it another 10 years the way she is going...🙁
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Sorry to hear about your niece - I am a former behavioral health nurse and saw too many times people struggle with addiction. Be aware- this article is quite academic. I am very interested to see if/how GLP1s will be used in other areas such as behavioral health/PCOS etc.

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Cavalier said:
Before trying MOTS-C again try a course of SS-31 first. It’s supposed to repair damaged mitochondria first, then the mots-c will do a better job. And yes, Tirz fatigue was the only side effect for me but it was real. I now take 0.5ml each of MIC B12 & LIPO-C twice a week and it has solved my issue for fatigue. Another thing to look into as it was an issue for me was in my initial bloodwork i found out that i was Vitamin D deficient and had low testosterone (but didnt have the normal low T issues so never suspected) Im a guy so not sure this would apply (no idea your gender and dont want to assume) but addressing both of those was probably also pivotal in eliminating the fatigue as well.
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Can I ask where you get your MICB12 & Lipo from? I am almost out and was looking at Hvy & Nexaph but Nexaph's dosages on the Lipo are different.
 
yelloeyes said:
Can I ask where you get your MICB12 & Lipo from? I am almost out and was looking at Hvy & Nexaph but Nexaph's dosages on the Lipo are different.
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I think i got mine from a US website called solution peptides if I’m not mistaken. They were like $50 each but were 20ml vials (over double what nexaph are, but they are 10 vial kits). I know i probably overpaid but it’s been working. For me it’ll last like 5 months as i do 0.5ml each twice a week… so 20 weeks worth so for me $100 for 5 months of offsetting the fatigue from tirz is worth it.
 
Tomes said:
I second this, adding MOTS-C to tirz was truly night and day for me in terms of energy and ability to work out, it's the one thing I would actually recommend @raw_oyster_eater add to your extensive list of peps to try 😆

Although I don't know that even MOTS can overcome a 500 calorie a day diet. There are mixed results, too - some people report they feel nothing.
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How much do you dose? And how frequently? Ive seen so many varying amounts I’m not sure what people are really doing. Also have you had any issues of it not being effective if you dont inject the entire vial immediately after reconstituting> I know it sounds silly but ive read multiple places that its unstable and you have to use it right away after reconstituting or the peptides break apart. Which is super odd to me as if i cant take a dose and then refridge it for the next day it doesn’t seem like a viable peptide to me especially since it’s not cheap. So id like to get some real world info from someone who uses it and gets good effects from it. (I have a kit on the way but have stayed away from it in the past mainly because of the concerns above.) Thank for your input in advance!
 
I really don't like the way i'm built. I was looking at some dude in the store the other day. He must have been a big time runner. From the front of his chest to the back i swear, was about 6 inches. I haven't tried to measure myself but i'm at least twice that maybe 14-16 inches. I'd like to be somewhere in between. I don't mind losing some muscle. Then i can reevaluate and start building back. I don't know why people insist on trying to build muscle while losing weight at the same time. The body builders are exclusively in one mode or the other and they have this shit down pat.

There are lots of different builds and frame sizes. Thats where these ideal weight charts are garbage. Somebody needs to create something better that works these types of variables in.

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raw_oyster_eater said:
don't mind losing some muscle. Then i can reevaluate and start building back. I don't know why people insist on trying to build muscle while losing weight at the same time. The body builders are exclusively in one mode or the other and they have this shit down pat.
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Its more about maintaining muscle mass because the more muscle you have the higher your metabolic rate is and the end result is faster fat loss - and of course better overall health and more sustainable weight loss.

As for bodybuilders, they are going through 2 cycles, bulk and cut, during bulk they gain as much as they can even if it means gaining some body fat, while a cutting cycle is about preserving muscle mass and only burning fat (in some cases even gaining a little bit of muscle, depends on what they take and how much). They are doing a hardcore cut (with also little bit of muscle & water loss / dry up) just before competition only
 
Cavalier said:
How much do you dose? And how frequently? Ive seen so many varying amounts I’m not sure what people are really doing. Also have you had any issues of it not being effective if you dont inject the entire vial immediately after reconstituting> I know it sounds silly but ive read multiple places that its unstable and you have to use it right away after reconstituting or the peptides break apart. Which is super odd to me as if i cant take a dose and then refridge it for the next day it doesn’t seem like a viable peptide to me especially since it’s not cheap. So id like to get some real world info from someone who uses it and gets good effects from it. (I have a kit on the way but have stayed away from it in the past mainly because of the concerns above.) Thank for your input in advance!
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The degradation of mots-c is rumor that stems from a study that observed degradation in an unrelated situation (storing motsc in human plasma). It's been tested fine.
 
Cavalier said:
The Anavar isnt prescribed but she was all on board for me taking it if i can find an affordable and reliable source (shes super open minded). SO i will look into overseas sources as well ( i always send a sample out to be tested but ive done that enough with a few vendors and have had perfect results so i know which vendors to trust so i should be good.)
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Keep in mind that Anavar falls into a different class when importing. So take the extra steps to not be low hanging fruit for a open and shut case.

And the steroid market is a bit murkier than the peptides, the access to good Rae’s is suffering lately. so you should consider testing your order.

Anavar is among the expensive orals, so it’s quite common to get dbol or smth instead
 
Cavalier said:
I think i got mine from a US website called solution peptides if I’m not mistaken. They were like $50 each but were 20ml vials (over double what nexaph are, but they are 10 vial kits). I know i probably overpaid but it’s been working. For me it’ll last like 5 months as i do 0.5ml each twice a week… so 20 weeks worth so for me $100 for 5 months of offsetting the fatigue from tirz is worth it.
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Thanks. I was looking at Hvy Research. Their Lipo-Boost is $79 for 20ml and their MIC-B12 is $50 for 20ml. I only have 2 shots left from my local "med spa" that I only paid about $4.50 a shot for on special...
 
milos said:
They are doing a hardcore cut (with also little bit of muscle & water loss / dry up) just before competition only
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that's what i'm doing. a hardcore cut. NOw everybody can relax.

I wanted to take a minute and comment on some of the injectable fat dissolvers.

I injected the DCA deoxycholic acid based products on the right side of my lower stomach and the PPC PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE on the left. The DCA based products cause swelling and just a tiny bit of soreness that have yet to go away after several weeks. So i can't evaluate until that happens. The PPC side seems to be doing well. Probably a little bit of shrinkage. I also injected the Chinese knockoff Lemon Bottle in the crease between the belly button and sternum. At least there is supposed to be a crease there if the fat were gone. The lemon bottle gave me gout in my right toe. I'm waiting on the real lemon bottle to be delivered to see its going to do the same thing, but i'm going to go easy and just do a few ml at a time so i don't get the gout again. If you feel the tingling back off.
 
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that's what i'm doing. a hardcore cut. NOw everybody can relax.
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You still don't know the difference between a hard cut and crash diet. In a hardcore cut they are still doing absolutely everything to prevent as much muscle loss as possible.
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
that's what i'm doing. a hardcore cut. NOw everybody can relax.

I wanted to take a minute and comment on some of the injectable fat dissolvers.

I injected the DCA deoxycholic acid based products on the right side of my lower stomach and the PPC PHOSPHATIDYLCHOLINE on the left. The DCA based products cause swelling and just a tiny bit of soreness that have yet to go away after several weeks. So i can't evaluate until that happens. The PPC side seems to be doing well. Probably a little bit of shrinkage. I also injected the Chinese knockoff Lemon Bottle in the crease between the belly button and sternum. At least there is supposed to be a crease there if the fat were gone. The lemon bottle gave me gout in my right toe. I'm waiting on the real lemon bottle to be delivered to see its going to do the same thing, but i'm going to go easy and just do a few ml at a time so i don't get the gout again. If you feel the tingling back off.
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I understand you're frustrated with your body and how you look, I totally get it. I have a question for you though.

Previously, you had mentioned that you watched a "YouTube video where the fat came right off the bacon when a guy poured the Chinese lemon bottle onto it".

Hypothetically speaking.... If that were the case with the fat on your abdomen, where would it go and what would happen to it after it dissolved? Would it stay dissolved forever in your system, would it travel to your feet, would it harden again...what would be the outcome of this and what would your body do with this dissolved fat?
 
Dee X said:
I understand you're frustrated with your body and how you look, I totally get it. I have a question for you though.

Previously, you had mentioned that you watched a "YouTube video where the fat came right off the bacon when a guy poured the Chinese lemon bottle onto it".

Hypothetically speaking.... If that were the case with the fat on your abdomen, where would it go and what would happen to it after it dissolved? Would it stay dissolved forever in your system, would it travel to your feet, would it harden again...what would be the outcome of this and what would your body do with this dissolved fat?
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here's an NIH study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10570630/

i was also looking at one that had picts of the fat degrading. I'll keep looking.
 
Dee X said:
"All studies showed an industry sponsorship bias. Further randomized clinical trials not sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry should be encouraged to obtain independent evidence without potential conflict of interest biases."
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for sure, i'm going into this realizing it could be a waste of time and money. It's something i'm willing to risk before committing to a real liposuction surgery which carries greater risks. I would only do lipo with a local, not general anesthesia. I'm only injecting this in the stomach. NO way i'm putting this in my face. Don't need it there anyway.

There are also external lotions which have been studied to reduce subq fat. I will be testing those as well.
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
for sure, i'm going into this realizing it could be a waste of time and money. It's something i'm willing to risk before committing to a real liposuction surgery which carries greater risks. I would only do lipo with a local, not general anesthesia. I'm only injecting this in the stomach. NO way i'm putting this in my face. Don't need it there anyway.

There are also external lotions which have been studied to reduce subq fat. I will be testing those as well.
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Oh wow, you can put it in your face!?
 
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raw_oyster_eater said:
for sure, i'm going into this realizing it could be a waste of time and money. It's something i'm willing to risk before committing to a real liposuction surgery which carries greater risks. I would only do lipo with a local, not general anesthesia. I'm only injecting this in the stomach. NO way i'm putting this in my face. Don't need it there anyway.

There are also external lotions which have been studied to reduce subq fat. I will be testing those as well.
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If a local fat burning ointment or something like that, which actually works and doesn’t have some pretty wild side-effects existed. I believe everyone would know, that would not have been a well kept secret.

Just my 2 quarters
 
Bacchus said:
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If a local fat burning ointment or something like that, which actually works and doesn’t have some pretty wild side-effects existed. I believe everyone would know, that would not have been a well kept secret.

Just my 2 quarters
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you know this guy? https://www.instagram.com/joepavlik/p/CMuEDazj-uX/
he invented a product called metaboderm.

there is also the amilean (aminophylline) that has the asthma drug in it that has a paper done. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...ion offers a,is the most potent concentration.

I have a question for you and please don't be insulted, I'm just trying to learn and plan my own path. You've been on serious steroids for a while. I don't see that you have any 6 pack washboard type stomach bumps in your picture.
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
Male 5'10" sw273 cw243 gw173

It's been about six weeks down 30. I know it's going to take a lot. I'm going to have to do some fasting and ride an exercise bike every day. Really hump it good. So far i have done no exercise.

Had 2 doses script Zepbound 2.5. Then 2-2.5 research tirz then 2-5 research tirz. And a little Reta at 1mg/2mg with the tirz. Maybe switch over to Reta because it makes me feel good. Hording the script zep for the wife.

I think it's possible with these drugs and hard work and eating like a supermodel on top of them.
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Remember if you lose it to fast you will lose your muscle. Slow and steady them maintain
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
you know this guy? https://www.instagram.com/joepavlik/p/CMuEDazj-uX/
he invented a product called metaboderm.

there is also the amilean (aminophylline) that has the asthma drug in it that has a paper done. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9978326/#:~:text=Aminophylline topical formulation offers a,is the most potent concentration.

I have a question for you and please don't be insulted, I'm just trying to learn and plan my own path. You've been on serious steroids for a while. I don't see that you have any 6 pack washboard type stomach bumps in your picture.
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Steroids don't undo a high calorie intake 🙂 I'm more interested in benching 5 plates than in a 6pack.

Also really ruined my shape during corona with lockdowns and closed gyms which caused a period of uncurable laziness.

Considering doing a series on yt/ig showing how absurd a difference serious steroids make. I'll let you know if i do
 
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raw_oyster_eater said:
but ma, how about just one. please? i'll brush me teeth and do my homework....
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The way you write reminds me of the 20 year old on Meso who screwed up his growth plates, proportions of his face, and then tried to blame the community over 2 months for it being their fault because they didn't warn him enough to get proper blood work before messing with HGH and HCG (at any age).
 
i seriously doubt that taking nibbles on any of this stuff is going to give me cancer. The M1T is a bit nasty on the liver but it was sold over the counter for a number of years GNC? and didn't kill anybody.

i think i might get the pill splitter out tonight and quarter a 10mg M1T. See if i can get a better pump with my crunches. Edit: They are some really small pills. I was able to halve it.

I do appreciate my mothers looking out for me. It does give me some pause. I'm listening a little bit.

Ya know, most every guy over 40 has an enlarged prostate. If that's the disqualifier for doing TRT or some of the other stuff, then i think a lot of guys are disobeying their mothers.
 
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I do appreciate my mothers looking out for me. It does give me some pause. I'm listening a little bit.
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please don't slow down! you are the only one here who is not afraid to inject anything in any combination! very interesting RS you are!

And now a mom question - are you at least already taking finasteride? You can do some research on dutasteride, its a little bit stronger, mostly used by bodybuilders and proven very effective by bro science over many many years.

EDIT: I wrongly wrote dutasteride is approved for the treatment of prostate cancer
 
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milos said:
please don't slow down! you are the only one here who is not afraid to inject anything in any combination! very interesting RS you are!

And now a mom question - are you at least already taking finasteride? You can do some research on dutasteride, its a little bit stronger, mostly used by bodybuilders (or prostate cancer patients for which its approved officially) and proven very effective by bro science over many many years.
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thank you, my GP did mention possibly putting me on something to slowly reduce my prostate size. She said it would take about a year. The urologist has mentioned nothing about it and is keying in on surgical solutions which we landed on ablation, which means blocking the arteries to the prostate to cut off blood supply. I think i should have been taking one of those drugs as a no brainer in the meantime. This really pisses me off. I could have been on this steroid to reduce my prostate that would have had the side benefits of building muscle and reducing fat. Surgeons just want to cut.

I did try 1/2 10 mg pill of M1T. It gave me a bit of a slight head rush or headache. I did some crunches off and on for a few hours after taking the pill and the pump-up definitely felt so much better. My stomach felt hard from the exercise which is not my normal feeling.

I don't think i will be taking this anymore. On to HCG. Or maybe i should bag the self experimentation and try to get one of my docs to prescribe dutasteride?

Thank you for this information. its going to have a big impact on my life. I apologize for teasing you guys about being my mothers. You are providing life-saving information!
 
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raw_oyster_eater said:
thank you, my GP did mention possibly putting me on something to slowly reduce my prostate size. She said it would take about a year. The urologist has mentioned nothing about it and is keying in on surgical solutions which we landed on ablation, which means blocking the arteries to the prostate to cut off blood supply. I think i should have been taking one of those drugs as a no brainer in the meantime. This really pisses me off. I could have been on this steroid to reduce my prostate that would have had the side benefits of building muscle and reducing fat. Surgeons just want to cut.

I did try 1/2 10 mg pill of M1T. It gave me a bit of a slight head rush or headache. I did some crunches off and on for a few hours after taking the pill and the pump-up definitely felt so much better. My stomach felt hard from the exercise which is not my normal feeling.

I don't think i will be taking this anymore. On to HCG. Or maybe i should bag the self experimentation and try to get one of my docs to prescribe dutasteride?

Thank you for this information. its going to have a big impact on my life. I apologize for teasing you guys about being my mothers. You are providing life-saving information!
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You live near Boston, right? Have you tried going to actual Boston University doctors instead of the regular medical groups around you?

I have a few rare chronic health issues that I have tried to get treated at normal doctors groups, and then university ones (usually my docs are actual professors). The quality of care has been so different across the two. This has been true across all of the states I have lived in.

Would recommend looking into it if you haven't since you seemingly have an actual chronic condition or two.
 
milos said:
please don't slow down! you are the only one here who is not afraid to inject anything in any combination! very interesting RS you are!
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see this is why i had to ask how you get a 'research expert' tag last time 😳
 
Dee X said:
You live near Boston, right? Have you tried going to actual Boston University doctors instead of the regular medical groups around you?

I have a few rare chronic health issues that I have tried to get treated at normal doctors groups, and then university ones (usually my docs are actual professors). The quality of care has been so different across the two. This has been true across all of the states I have lived in.

Would recommend looking into it if you haven't since you seemingly have an actual chronic condition or two.
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you're right, i need to put the significant work into researching some better doctors. My health plan doesn't need referrals so i can go see anybody i want.

i took a little HCG (500iu) and don't feel anything. researching on reddit, it seems most take it with test. Or to restore their reproductive system function after being on test or AAS for a while.
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
you're right, i need to put the significant work into researching some better doctors. My health plan doesn't need referrals so i can go see anybody i want.

i took a little HCG (500iu) and don't feel anything. researching on reddit, it seems most take it with test. Or to restore their reproductive system function after being on test or AAS for a while.
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i was serious about thinksteroids.com there are a lot more knowledgeable people over there about these things.
 
raw_oyster_eater said:
thank you, my GP did mention possibly putting me on something to slowly reduce my prostate size. She said it would take about a year. The urologist has mentioned nothing about it and is keying in on surgical solutions which we landed on ablation, which means blocking the arteries to the prostate to cut off blood supply.
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im very sure all these "doctors" prefer the most profitable procedures for them and don't care much about you. Medications targeting conversion of T into DHT are the first line treatment, not only it shrinks prostate, it also prevent hair loss. Read about the dutasteride, they will not probably prescribe it to you at first because its strong, but its reducing the need for future prostate surgery. If you can, get dutasteride
 
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milos said:
im very sure all these "doctors" prefer the most profitable procedures for them and don't care much about you. Medications targeting conversion of T into DHT are the first line treatment, not only it shrinks prostate, it also prevent hair loss. Read about the dutasteride, they will not probably prescribe it to you at first because its strong, but its reducing the need for future prostate surgery. If you can, get dutasteride
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i'm going to pursue both paths of asking the docs and try and find it somewhere on my own.

Question on this test-c oil. It's really thick and won't even pull into a 31 gauge. I even had a lot of trouble with a 29 gauge. I started with a tiny first shot of 18mg. A lot of TRT guys are doing 100mg a week. I have a 10ml/300mg vile. That's a 3.3 ml shot of heavy oil. That shit is going to hurt.
 
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raw_oyster_eater said:
i'm going to pursue both paths of asking the docs and try and find it somewhere on my own.

Question on this test-c oil. It's really thick and won't even pull into a 31 gauge. I even had a lot of trouble with a 29 gauge. I started with a tiny first shot of 18mg. A lot of TRT guys are doing 100mg a week. I have a 10ml/300mg vile. That's a 3.3 ml shot of heavy oil. That shit is going to hurt.
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Not specifically for test (so sorry if this isn't helpful) but for Progesterone oil injections (for fertility treatments), it's also VERY thick and they give you like a 22 or 23g needle for those, so, you might need to go up in size quite a bit. They also tell you to ice that area for a good 5+ minutes before injecting, but it's.. it's never pleasant.
 
Huckleberry1 said:
As a retired nurse you are trying to kill yourself. Low and slow.you will lose more muscle than is healthy (heart is muscle) slow down!
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This. I just read this entire thread and it made me so sad. Oyster you need to work on loving yourself not destroying yourself.
Also a nurse.
Thread reads like a primer of what not to do.
 
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