I also understand they've outsourced their direct to consumer operation to a third party pharmacy...in Canada you're probably buying from a retail pharmacy but if you go direct, some issues still possible
China Based Chemical Companies Indicted for Alleged Fentanyl Manufacturing and Distribution
- Thread starter geoguy78
- Start date
Davin8r
New Member
Arrest peptide buyers for what? Peptides aren't controlled substances.
clevesand
GLP-1 Enthusiast
My point is that they do not know that it's peptides. They have a list of people who sent money to a company that is making controlled substances and saying its kitty litter and t-shirts
Davin8r
New Member
Seems like they'd need more probable cause than that to even get a search warrant (or especially to arrest) any given customer/buyer, especially when the vendor sells so many non-controlled peptides and such. Then again, I'm not a lawyer so who knows?
Last edited:
Hey that’s an awesome idea!! It would be extremely helpful and easier than always jumping from one thing to the next.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
"Leak"? C'mon. It was linked to a USDOJ press release. That isn't a leak, that's an outright publication by the prosecuting authority.
I was thinking about this earlier.. and the US peptide vendors
moonpies4misfits
GLP-1 Specialist
Reply from Alan:
In response to your concerns, I will have an explanation here: sry currently has three main business departments, chemicals, peptides and laboratory reagents. In Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou Three cities and three departments are independent of each other.I am mainly responsible for the production and sales of peptide products. Please rest assured that this has nothing to do with us. In addition, when the sanctions were announced, the China government investigated all departments, including the peptide department. However, the products mentioned in the sanctions documents were legal chemicals in China at that time, but they were reprocessed into other products by criminals after arriving in the United States. Subsequently, the government suggested that the products mentioned in the documents be removed from the shelves, and a month later, the China government issued a document to control the products in the documents, but sry had been removed from the shelves and stopped selling for a month. Every year, the U.S. government has a list of sanctioned China enterprises, including many industries, but it is very important for a China enterprise to abide by the laws of China, so please rest assured.The factory has been producing normally, and the laboratory has been developing normally, including some special products. Our laboratory will also have the government's request for help in testing and analysis.Please return to calm. If you want to know more, you can talk to me privately. Of course, if someone is uneasy about asking for a refund, we will implement it immediately.
In response to your concerns, I will have an explanation here: sry currently has three main business departments, chemicals, peptides and laboratory reagents. In Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou Three cities and three departments are independent of each other.I am mainly responsible for the production and sales of peptide products. Please rest assured that this has nothing to do with us. In addition, when the sanctions were announced, the China government investigated all departments, including the peptide department. However, the products mentioned in the sanctions documents were legal chemicals in China at that time, but they were reprocessed into other products by criminals after arriving in the United States. Subsequently, the government suggested that the products mentioned in the documents be removed from the shelves, and a month later, the China government issued a document to control the products in the documents, but sry had been removed from the shelves and stopped selling for a month. Every year, the U.S. government has a list of sanctioned China enterprises, including many industries, but it is very important for a China enterprise to abide by the laws of China, so please rest assured.The factory has been producing normally, and the laboratory has been developing normally, including some special products. Our laboratory will also have the government's request for help in testing and analysis.Please return to calm. If you want to know more, you can talk to me privately. Of course, if someone is uneasy about asking for a refund, we will implement it immediately.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Nope. They do not source from Sweden. They source and manufacture in CHINA. They source from companies like WuXi AppTec.
Much of the active base ingredient used in Eli Lilly & Co.'s Zepbound and Mounjaro medicines is produced by WuXi AppTec Co.
Lilly’s contractor and partner, WuXi AppTec
Eli Lilly is spending $200 million to expand its manufacturing facility in Suzhou, China, where it will produce its in-demand Type 2 diabetes and obesity drugs.
Wow. I wonder now if I'll get what I ordered? GLP NOT fentanyl!Looks like at least one of our peptide vendors made the list.... Can't say I'm surprised, this is probably fairly common.
China-Based Chemical Manufacturing Companies and Employees Indicted for Alleged Fentanyl Manufacturing and Distribution
Today, the Justice Department announced the unsealing of indictments against eight China-based chemical companies and eight employees charging federal crimes, including attempted distribution of synthetic opioids and precursor chemicals used in the production of fentanyl, and money laundering...www.justice.gov
I should be receiving one soon!
This whole thing is disturbing because SRY knew they were facing this but didn't mention it (not surprised but still) and let customers continue to order. I doubt there was any risk of contamination however I wouldn't want my name/address on some list of buying from them because the government may not know what exactly you were buying and assuming it was precursors.
I know QSC said specifically that is not something they get involved in but I'm not sure about other companies. At least with this I guess you know SRY is a true manufacturer and not just a reseller pretending to have a lab.
I know QSC said specifically that is not something they get involved in but I'm not sure about other companies. At least with this I guess you know SRY is a true manufacturer and not just a reseller pretending to have a lab.
I'm honestly just in shock anyone is surprised by this.
Like I knew what grey meant before I bought? Once I was out of high school every weed dealer I knew was also selling other stuff. Guy I dated for a few months had an entire wall of shelves of product. It's kind of par for the course when you're dealing with grey market and illegal things.
Did people not know what they were getting into? I don't even trust test results, I have no guarantee the vial I bought came from the same batch sent in for testing anyway.
Like I knew what grey meant before I bought? Once I was out of high school every weed dealer I knew was also selling other stuff. Guy I dated for a few months had an entire wall of shelves of product. It's kind of par for the course when you're dealing with grey market and illegal things.
Did people not know what they were getting into? I don't even trust test results, I have no guarantee the vial I bought came from the same batch sent in for testing anyway.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Grey market =/= Black market.
We're buying stuff we're not supposed to have from people who aren't supposed to sell it, but no one is going to jail over this. Even the lawsuits Lilly has filed against peptide sellers are CIVIL disputes between two private businesses. However those shake out, no one is going to jail.
There is a reason we can get FDA approved labs who wouldn't be caught dead with actual drugs to do our testing.
I think it's silly to believe they don't have their hands in many baskets.
Again, they were selling something that had been legal only two weeks before. Legality is fluid based on which companies are paying which lawmakers.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Having your hands in many baskets is not the same
as selling illegal drugs or the precursors to making those drugs.
Are all the US vendors selling Tirz secretly selling cocaine too? @Bacchus, do we need to call the feds?
Bacchus is actually an undercover informant 🤫
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Well he's doing a terrible job 🤣
Chizikitide-1977
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I was under the impression he was just a sophisticated AI chatbot.
Unfettered capitalism. It wasn't illegal and it made them money. Big companies are kind of known for that. 🤷♀️
They just took a risk once it became illegal and got caught.
I just think the surprise and shock is overkill. By all means, demand better. They won't be getting my money either. But the market isn't exactly in a place to be able to guarantee the sellers/ sources aren't sketchy. They're selling to make money, not to cure obesity and PCOS.
The very thing that facilitates them being willing to sell us these as "research chemicals" is the same thing that makes them willing to sell a bunch of other things to other people. I'm not thrilled this is the case, but I'm also not the least bit surprised.
DwightTheDelight
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Is anyone else as concerned as I am that their fentanyl and dermorphin orders might be laced with semaglutide???
Too soon?
Okay, I'll go to bed.
Too soon?
Okay, I'll go to bed.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Sigma Audley temporarily halting all sales
🤣The blanket suspicion for all manufacturers is simply inane...
The risk profile between the two is night and day... Assuming that one implicates the other demonstrates a significant lack of critical assessment skills 🤷♂️
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I noticed you skipped right over my question about cocaine 🤔 interesting...
Is that a roundabout way of placing an order? 😇
Yeah no, even though cocaine probably could assist with weight loss - We stick to selling the stuff that is less likely to put us in the spotlight 🙂
I recently got bashed here for writing about tesofensine that is from the same family of drugs as cocaine, I call it "coke light".
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I didn't know you could order by forum post. Much more convenient than email 🤣
Eh, I could understand if you got bashed by a forum that is directing users to sources and which medication to pick.
But it's been clearly stated numerous times that doing research is a requirement here, so I don't see the problem? 🙂
Also, there are tons of somewhat sketchy stuff that works quite well in this category. Even pure cocaine serves medical purposes.
Top of mind, ephedrine, dmma (not to be confused with mdma), clenbuterol, would all fit into the category of kinda sketchy, but has it's use - like your coke light
I find it moderately concerning how many people take what these vendor reps actually say at face value or truth. I think a lot of you need to look into what most of the manufacturing plants look like in these tier 2 and 3 Chinese cities, and what their standards actually are lol. I think of a lot of you actually researched that part, you may cut out ordering this completely.
Dude talks about 3 departments, 3 companies in 3 cities, etc. Their entire operation could just be a few teenagers popping open and resealing vials from someone else in their mom's dirty ass basement. There are no standards lol. We gave absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes. There is literally no way for anyone to verify anything else.
Dude talks about 3 departments, 3 companies in 3 cities, etc. Their entire operation could just be a few teenagers popping open and resealing vials from someone else in their mom's dirty ass basement. There are no standards lol. We gave absolutely no idea what's going on behind the scenes. There is literally no way for anyone to verify anything else.
No way for anyone to verify, isn't exactly accurate - though not far from it.
For an end user/customer the statement is pretty much spot on though
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Shenzhen Biolink has joined the list of companies winding down their operations
I think it's healthy skepticism. I keep a list of sellers I consider more risky than others based on posts I see here and other places and order based on that. I'm also only a month in, so I obviously have less information than someone who has been doing this a while.
I'm here, I clearly decided to take the risk too. But the POSSIBILITY that these products were made in a place that deals in other things was a part of that calculation. Again, there's smuggling involved. Is there enough money in peps to justify that risk alone, with the price race to the bottom? That was my concern- because that's a question I didn't have an answer to.
I know enough to know what I DON'T know.
This is my stance as well. At this point, its a moral issue.
I'm not going to argue that it's healthy to be skeptical.
My problem lies with faulty logic:
"Everyone" is in on the race to the bottom - Chasing low price as a main metric and discussing how cheap it can get. Which at some point (One i personally believe we passed already) will cause issues with manufacturing quality and consistency
"But the raws are so cheap"...
Yes, they are almost free, so why the price? Well, because of risk and operation costs. Who would want to risk their license by producing this stuff in a high quality lab when they are paid with scraps?
"Pay with bananas, and you will have monkeys doing the job"
At the same time, I highly doubt the amount of fent being produced in approved facilities is not strictly monitored - So i have a hard time believing that is the main source and not a dirty warehouse lab. I doubt the fent users are very picky about purity and sterility testing... So if that assumption (keyword being assumption) is correct, who knows what else those labs are used for.
I do believe that cross contamination is a very small risk here tbh, since it would be very bad for business. But could it happen by accident? - I guess.
And I honestly haven't really dived deep enough into the case to comment on the situation specifically. But it was mentioned that this was about raw materials being repurposed after arriving in the US. So I'm unsure if there is any real risk of cross contamination even if the business names are the same.
Concerning what it says about what kind of business you are dealing with - If that wasn't obvious from the get-go, now it is. So the question then would be, how do you separate between those who really doesn't care at all whether the product is safe or has good quality as long as you believe it - From those who actually deliver a quality product and don't take (too many?) shortcuts?
I would say that price is a good start, though not a guarantee. We pay significantly more than most users on here as a vendor - If that's strictly necessary to get a good product, I can't tell for sure. But it allows us to deal with a manufacturer we know more about.
In any case:
The point I was trying to make in the post you replied to, is that users that have been very comfortable with a bunch of different vendors - Needed something like this case for them to properly understand that these are not corner stores that skimp a bit on taxes and maybe sell some expired products, they are the source behind the drug dealer on the corner (figure of speech).
And now, instead of reconsidering how to evaluate and source - we figure all the vendors do the same stuff... But we will still order when the dust settles, so how helpful is that evaluation? ^^,
SassyPants
GLP-1 Member
Lost my brother to a fentanyl overdose in 2018. We were complete opposites yet very close. ( 13 months apart )There were several in our town at the time. Folks thought they were getting something “different “ ( 2 local Walmart kids, employees, thought they’d just get a little coke after work were among several people that died at the time ) Im so, so sorry you lost family members to this shit.
Where are you getting these details?
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Some of th
Some of this is coming up on other forums I'm not allowed to screenshot, but can share opinions from.
Meso
Private Telegrams
This came directly from Scott at SBB
He has a history of risk aversion, “shutting down” operations when things get hot. Not a bad idea tbh. Anyway I reckon they’ll return after this blows over.
I want to point out that the substance sry is indicted over, protonitazene, was only placed on the PERMANENT controlled substances list in April of 2024, but it has been on the list as a temporary item since april of 2022. This is just regulatory red tape - the DEA is allowed to put substances on the controlled list without administrative review for emergency purposes, but it only lasts for 2 years. permanent controlled status requires a review.
but it's been illegal since 2022. not "for 15 days" like some are saying.
but it's been illegal since 2022. not "for 15 days" like some are saying.
its not illegal to be a junkie lol. Its illegal to posses, distribute, etc. They cant arrest anyone for showing up on a price list without physically finding the items and testing them. It would be cause for major lawsuits and free government money for the people arrested.
this isn't quite right. it went sched 1 in 2022 for 2 years, and went on sched 1 permanently in April of 2024. it's been sched 1 since 2022.
the indictment sort of misrepresents the use of it. protonitazene is a potent opioid all on its own. it's not an ingredient of fentanyl. i think sometimes the drug labs combine it with fentanyl maybe but it's also a bad drug on its own.
i was almost ready to have a little sympathy for sry this morning until i read the indictment again and researched the product. it's been sched 1 for 2 years. they advertise it for sale on their website, there is no recognized medical, industrial, or commercial use of it anywhere in the world. the only reason to produce it and sell it in bulk is for illegal drugs.
it is true that they said they didn't deal in the other substances the undercover agent was trying to nail them on - the actual fentanyl ingredients.
You're correct. But also CN hasn't always cared about it until recently. Doesn't absolve them since they do business in US but provides context on how they can continue to operate in CN
clevesand
GLP-1 Enthusiast
And what kind of company needs to be told by the Government that their product that is more potent than Fentanyl is officially a controlled substance that could kill someone?
Weight loss medicines change lives and save lives. One estimate is that 40,000 lives per year could be saved in the US with these medicines. Fentanyl destroys lives and kills. Big difference. Yeah, I won't buy from a company who knows it is killing people.
