Nexaph testing
- Thread starter DwightTheDelight
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You mean the
No this is someone else, but definitely of the same ilk.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
Sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with this dude? Running a profitable peptide business isn't rocket science. You buy product from a reputable manufacturer or distributor, pay for some tests to confirm quantity (and where relevant sterility), then sell for cost + profit to people with some nice stickers on it.
That's the ENTIRE business model.
There's no need to do all of this weird shit. Cain appears to be an actual pathological liar
Anyway, someone should probably let the folks on the other forum know. Probably not me since I think the gator may be mad at me. @DwightTheDelight, @milos, @Bacchus, you all are in good standing. Any one of you want to take one for the team?
Yeah but he still tried it which is a problem on its own.
This is what we've been trying to warn about since Nexaph failed sterility testing and their community got mad when we questioned them. Glad more people are seeing past the veil of convenience and salesman tactics as more events like this happen while following a pattern.
DwightTheDelight
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I was excited about receiving my replacement Reta last week too 🙁 They were going to be my go to vendor for stepping up, replacing it, and not just ignoring that purity guarantee issue.
Thank you to everyone for compiling this info and sharing it. @noteablequotable it's a stretch to say I'm in good standing anywhere, just kind of tolerated like a fly on the other side of the room, so I'm probably not the best person to start this conversation over there, but I bet it's already known about. It seems like most of us frequent both sites.
noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I'm sorry. If you're looking for a replacement I've had incredibly good customer service from ASC. They aren't the cheapest but they will refund you at the drop of a hat and offer creative solutions when things don't go as expected. They are generally very responsive when it comes to communication. I'm working on a longer review but at this point I feel good about them.
I think people enjoy your presence more than you know, so don't be hard on yourself.
I do think someone should post over there because even if people frequent both sites they may miss this thread. There are also a lot of new users there who've never been to Peppy's or this forum and they definitely won't see this information.
Chizikitide-1977
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Dwight is my favorite newer member. A positive for this community for sure
Nexa has gone above and beyond for me. I ordered a kit of Tirz 10. It felt a little lacking, but I just thought I needed to titrate up. Out of the blue, they sent an entire new kit because a test came back on the batch that was below their standard. I didn’t even have to email them. He just sent it. To me that is A+ integrity and earned my trust.
Dionisis does have a strong bias toward them. I agree with whoever said that, but I still think Cain try’s to do right by folks.
And you’re my favorite fly on the wall Dwight!
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Nuh-uh, you're like, his favorite PITA.
Are screenshots allowed? I'm willing to be a squeaky wheel, unless Andy thinks that's attention seeking behavior. I'm not expressing an opinion one way or the other but it's good for people to be informed when injectables are on the table.
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
obnoxious prick who thinks they're the life of the party but really just an obnoxious prick.
but with all the wokeness i have to love him or i look like the obnoxious prick.
Ooh ooh, do me next!
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
you'll have to give me your FetLife user name first.
you'll probably have to do me though since i'm a bottom.
I thought you were married, dear.
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noteablequotable
GLP-1 Specialist
I have had good experiences with them as well, but even if we assume no malicious intent, Cain has shown a startling lack of good judgement.
While I think it's possible to excuse some of their behavior as unintended, you do have to draw a line somewhere. Attempting to influence the outcome of test results by covertly engaging someone in a test group is unacceptable. Making the mistake of using an excipient that is interacting with GLP-1S in unusual and potentially unsafe ways and sending that product to your customers without disclosing that information, and no commitment to remedying it is also unacceptable.
Like I said, this is a fairly simple business model. I think most people on this forum could open a peptide shop without doing any of the weird things Cain is doing, It's just completely unnecessary.
Cain doesn't seem to have the instincts to understand right from wrong, high risk decisions from low ones, and for that reason he shouldn't be entrusted with anyone's health.
The icing on the cake is that he has kept Shanghai in the name after being revealed to be a Midwestern dude. I know it’s petty but that detail cracks me up.
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Can you elaborate more on this, like what exactly was said? How could anyone manipulate a test in their own favor without being in league with the lab doing the testing? And as far as I'm aware, none of the major player labs are that unscrupulous.
Was this interloper just trying to downplay less than optional results, or...? Certainly they couldn't have manipulated the actual test result?
SunnyDispo
New Member
That explains why I got an email yesterday from Nexa with shipping confirmation and I was confused because I hadn’t ordered anything. I do recall using the Tirz 10 I got from them and when I went to recon a new vial I reached for a different vendors batch because it seemed weak to me. I gave my virgin RS the Nexa since they wouldn’t know the difference and they are doing well with it and losing so it can’t be too bad.
Chizikitide-1977
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I'll just quote stairmaster1 directly so i don't screw up the details again. If anyone knows if there is a policy against this let me know and I'll remove. Also edited the name of the individual Cain tried to influence so as not to doxx anyone.
Again, I really appreciate Stairmaster1 taking this seriously, especially with the number of newer people he's mentoring, having a zero tolerance policy for this stuff and explaining why its unacceptable is huge plus to the larger grey market peptide world.
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
While this does provide more context, I still do not understand how someone (Person X, in this case) could directly affect the results of a group test if they are not the one collecting the vials and never handled them (which, it sounds like in this situation, she didn't).
If everyone involved in the group test sends their vials directly to the lab, but Person X just helps facilitate by making a spreadsheet and organizing funds - how does that at all change what the test results will be?
Even if Person X was being supplied known high quality samples to contribute, that one vial would still be an outlier of the batch as a whole didn't test well.
What am I missing here?
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Stairmaster has walked back some of his original hysterics about this, but his characterization of Cain being willing to pay for the group tests coordinated by someone else with vials randomly selected and sent by customers directly to the testing company as the greatest scandal of the month is a bit much.
Cain is willing to pay for group tests. Beyond that, he has no involvement.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
You’re not missing anything. We sent vials directly to the lab ourselves. The benefit is that none of us had to pay for it.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
This is a bald faced lie. Please, let’s do better than fling wild accusations like this around.
Manipulate?? How?? By paying for group tests coordinated by someone else, where that person has folks who volunteer send their vials directly to the labs themselves?
How does that manipulate anything??
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Then I don't understand what the problem is.
Lots of vendors offer to pay for the cost of the group test for GBs after the product is sent out and volunteers are chosen.
Not defending Cain/Nexa in general, to be clear. But this particular situation seems like they didn't do anything that other vendors don't also do and SM1 crucified them for it on TG.
So what someone affiliated with the vendor helped organize the test on paper? Literally so the fuck what? As long as everyone didn't also send their vials to that person so that that person could switch them all out for a known well tested batch (which didn't happen here) to manipulate the test results, then what was the wrong doing here?
Not sure SM1 frequents here as often but maybe someone but maybe someone should tag him? Because this is all sounding insane.
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
That's not the same thing unless Colgate also owns or can otherwise control the person/lab who is putting out the results.
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Colgate can fund all the studies they want, and as long as they're not manipulating the people doing the studies, who cares who pays for it?
i have no skin in this game because afaik, Nexaph does not ship to Canada, and in any case, I haven't ordered from them.
I am also a bit confused by this person being recruited by Cain. But on the other hand, I'm equally as confused as to why he approached anyone... just let the testing servers do what they do. Why does he need to be involved in any way?
penewbie
GLP-1 Specialist
Personally I just dig all the drama.
This is better than celebrity gossip.
This is better than celebrity gossip.
I got my tracking for replacement, should have it Friday.😁
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
He’s paying for the tests, paying the testing company. So he needs to know that vials were sent, how many, what they’re being tested for.
But equating that to manipulation is really nuts.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Keep in mind that one of the first vendors SM recommends when newbies ask for domestics or single vials is Royal Peptides aka Cantydes and he knows they’re one and the same.
So that should speak for itself about… something.
So that should speak for itself about… something.
is this not similar to how GBs are run by vendors? now I'm not understanding why any of this is a big deal, but i do live for drama as well.
OK I'll break it down for you, but my money is on you being unable to be convinced no matter the strength of the argument.
First, the appearance of potential for conflict of interest isn't nothing. Think Justice Thomas's lavish trips paid for by billionaires. The body that is evaluating fairness ought not be taking money from parties that stand to gain from the result, this is basic stuff. Eroding trust in the third party testing process only gives the vendor more power -- what good is a third party test that is percieved not to be any more trustworthy than the vendor supplied one?
Second, and related, the person organizing the test does indeed have a lot of power. For them to be a representative of the company being tested opens up space for shenanigans. How do the donors get selected, for example? Can that be manipulated? Who recieves the test? Is it possible for them to intercept and redo a bad test? Group buys have been busted for this, why couldn't your man baba?
Third, have you considered what baba's interest is here? Why would he want to fund testing? Why he chose to do it behind closed doors? Do you believe it is because he is concerned about your safety? If so, sorry to tell ya, it goes under his marketing budget, not his quality assurance budget. A platform has every right not to want to be treated as a billboard for unscrupulous suppliers, and it is unethical for them to try to circumvent this. Another example of unethical behavior from this vendor.
Finally, this is all a distraction from other issues. OK fine, you are ok with them secretly working with the test facilitator (you shouldn't be), let's not lose sight of them using novel fillers on unknowing customers who are injecting something that has not been tested and turns out to have uncertain interactions with the meds. This is no joke, these are injectable drugs he is fucking around with.
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
Yeah that is wild to me. It was such a good move to give that vendor enough rope to hang themselves here instead of deleting everything because now people can go see exactly what brand of crazy that person is.
To vilify Nexa under the context of honestly but NOT Cantydes just does not compute.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Correct. I’m not understanding, either.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Sooooooooo glad I was able to read Cantydes stuff here. Like, legit scary.
And the difference between how Cain and Cantydes responded to questions is like apples and hand grenades. Many grew to respect Cain because of how he’s handled issues and questions. I know I was one of them.
Pretty sure the other forum is sponsored by Cain. They suck cains pp so hard over there it's not even funny.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
Your condescension knows no bounds, it’s really something.
The person organizing the test volunteered to collect names and lists of vials to keep them straight (several different peps and batches being tested). Those vials were sent directly by customers who volunteered to the lab, Peptide Test. In other words, random people volunteered to send in a vial and put them in bubble mailers and sent to PT. PT does the tests. Cain pays for the tests. Tests are available to those of us who purchased a given batch first, then released to the commuting writ large. JUST LIKE A GB. How can that be manipulated by the vendor?
It can’t be.
His marketing stuff is really effective if you don’t understand that you’re looking at a sales pitch. That perspective transforms his little giveaway from a commercial into a public service, and they eat that shit up over there.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
It was created by someone wholly unaffiliated with Cain. She’s been strung up like some “infiltrator,” when that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
None of what you’re reading is true.
You didn’t actually respond to the points I made so I hope you don’t expect me to respond to yours?
Chizikitide-1977
GLP-1 Enthusiast
It's unfortunate you don't seem to understand the concept of a 3rd party test or the importance of 3rd party tests for that matter. True 3rd party tests are the best tool we have to keep ourselves safe and vendor involvement is absolutely unacceptable. Critical safety measures need to be separate from those with financial incentives.
Is it really that hard to understand? Any type of influence or connection can be used to his advantage. Maybe not right away, but if the relationship is established they have a card to play at some point down the road. It's like Chevron partnering with a high ranking EPA official. Maybe no crime was committed as of yet, but it's not hard to see what was intended.
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
That's not very nice and I'd like to think I've conducted myself in this forum in a way that would not make me seem like a close minded individual.
He's not "my man". I've never purchased from Nexa and don't plan to, for ALLLLLL the myriad other issues that have come up with them on this forum and others. The only argument I'm making here is WRT this one, particular issue which seems to me no different than any of the other Vendors paying for testing after product is sent out and volunteers are chosen.
This situation seems even LESS nefarious to me than that, because like you said, what if the volunteers are ringers who were purposely sent good product to then "volunteer" to have tested? I get that that can, and has, happened. But what happened in this instance is a bunch of people self-organized to send their vials directly to the lab themselves, and Cain learned of it and said "I'll pay for that". If that is all that happened, why is that so egregious?
100% agree that offering to pay for tests is the least concerning offense against them. There does seem to be a trend of dishonestly with this company, but offering to pay for a test that he could in no way influence the result of (unless he's trying to bribe the lab to fudge the results) just doesn't seem like a big deal.
Justice Thomas, in that example, would be the lab, not the testing group. I think that comparison would work if Cain was trying to bribe the lab to only present good results. Jano or PT would be the ones "evaluating fairness" (purity). He was just offering to cover the cost of vials sent in by independent individuals directly to the lab, not even to a 3rd party facilitator.
Listen - I get all your other points about the reputation and behavior of this company in general, and on that we agree. It just seems like, due to all that other shit, this vendor is also being criticized for doing one additional thing that lots of other vendors also do, and no one bats an eye. That is the part I don't get.
YoYoFat
GLP-1 Specialist
I understand the concept.
What you don’t seem to understand is what a lie is, what a mischaracterization is. And if you’re so concerned with vendor honesty, you might want to take a look in the mirror. And be a little more careful about what you say.
Describing “Michelle” as an “infiltrator” and “partner” makes someone lose all credibility for anything else they’d say. Because it’s flatly not true.
You also said Cantydes was rumored to doxx their customers. Is that true? Now I’m not so sure.
MiniatureSnail
GLP-1 Enthusiast
I think what I, and perhaps this other person are having trouble with here is how this act constitutes "influence".
We assume the lab is a neutral 3rd party and cannot be bought. The lab is doing the testing. The lab doesn't care who pays for the test. No matter who sends money to the lab, if the lab is doing its job, then the results will be what they are, regardless of who wrote the check. So Nexa sells 100 of something. 5 of those people self organize and say, we're going to test this product, let's all send it in to the Lab. Nexa finds out and says "I'll send money to the lab to cover the cost of the test".
Was that a PR move? Probably. Likely. But my point is that paying for a test does not mean that the payer can influence the test, unless they are also paying off the lab to falsify results, which is a totally separate and very serious issue.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree on the importance of the level independence of testing groups from vendors. I wouldn’t trust anything without a full firewall, you are more flexible about it. That’s all well and good.
What isn’t ok is breaching the firewall and not being transparent about it which is what it sounds like was attempted and thankfully failed.
Just spitballing here, why doesn't @YoYoFat volunteer to manage baba's testing moving forward, with baba funding it all, and have the donors all send everything directly to the lab? That way baba isn't underhandedly funding tests on a platform that wishes to remain independent, and people can put whatever trust they wish into the result? My guess is that without the credibility of the testing platform, which only exists because of that commitment to independence, people would see it for what it is: vendor testing.
peptideusername
Moderator
Cleveland Nexa Pharma doesn't really hit the same
