We're Bashing SRY this time.

[Jackchel1102]

You're not following the conversation because no one suggested the contents were counterfeit. Doesn't matter the $ is, the post office considers it a big deal. Don't strawman this.

The post offices are doing their job and checking if postage is under paid.

But if the post office took this further you know who be in trouble? SYR because they sent a counterfeit postage. Not the consumer who received it. If this was intentional, SYR put themselves at risk too.

I am also not discrediting the person who received this package. They may have. But it doesn’t just possibly put the customer at risk. SYR would be breaking the law, which is a bigger impact than what the customer would have. So for this to be intentional is just not something I can believe. I’m not questioning if they received it.

Doesn’t make sense why people keep bashing SYR. For others not to buy for them? To make them go out of business? This the gray market. You have the option to go else where. Most people choose SYR because of their prices. If you don’t like SYR, go pay the TCI prices or go buy from a compound pharmacy. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

 

[zpped]

The post offices are doing their job and checking if postage is under paid.

But if the post office took this further you know who be in trouble? SYR because they sent a counterfeit postage. Not the consumer who received it. If this was intentional, SYR put themselves at risk too.

I am also not discrediting the person who received this package. They may have. But it doesn’t just possibly put the customer at risk. SYR would be breaking the law, which is a bigger impact than what the customer would have. So for this to be intentional is just not something I can believe. I’m not questioning if they received it.

Doesn’t make sense why people keep bashing SYR. For others not to buy for them? To make them go out of business? This the gray market. You have the option to go else where. Most people choose SYR because of their prices. If you don’t like SYR, go pay the TCI prices or go buy from a compound pharmacy. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Everyone would be in trouble if there was an investigation. SRY admitted this happened so I'm not sure what there is to believe or not. They are blaming it on their US warehouse.

We point out whenever a vendor fucks up so people are aware and can make informed decisions. No one cares if you continue to buy from them but don't say you weren't warned.

 

[keangkong]

Everyone would be in trouble if there was an investigation. SRY admitted this happened so I'm not sure what there is to believe or not. They are blaming it on their US warehouse.

We point out whenever a vendor fucks up so people are aware and can make informed decisions. No one cares if you continue to buy from them but don't say you weren't warned.

SRY said it changed warehouses because the place was not mailing stuff correctly. If we were talking a large US retailer, I'd find that explanation to be problematic. Considering we're talking the grey market and SRY provides quality peptides as prices sometimes as low as QSC, this seems to be a small issue. Consider how we pay for things and these being foreign vendors, it's understandable that people get quite worried about having quality vendors. With that said, this doesn't seem to be a big issue. People have had issues with Eli Lilly direct shipments.

 

[keangkong]

I’m not sure why you’re calling this impersonation when the “fake” account clearly used his username. That seems more like mocking, taunting, or passive-aggressive trolling than actual impersonation. Just to clarify, I’ve never interacted with this member or dealt with this vendor, but the accusations being made are far too serious to dismiss or discredit the member simply because they’ve had issues with a vendor that already has a questionable track record.

He included "SRY-" as a prefix. That's what SRY sales people do on their Discord. That's impersonating an SRY employee. Since we're peptide buyers, it's natural that we have sympathy for other peptide buyers. However, sometimes people are just jerks who don't deserve our sympathy. By jerks, I'm not talking about people who on this forum disagree with me even strongly or call me expletives. That's fine. When someone is on the Discord site for SRY and uses a username beginning with SRY, that person stands a good chance of having people contact them to make purchases. Considering that payments are often made in crypto, there is a good chance for fraud. I'm not accusing the user of fraud; I haven't heard SRY claim that the person did so. But if I was SRY, I'd be greatly concerned. And considering the person by his own admission used the SRY- prefix, that discredits him or her in my eyes.

 

[noteablequotable]

He included "SRY-" as a prefix. That's what SRY sales people do on their Discord. That's impersonating an SRY employee. Since we're peptide buyers, it's natural that we have sympathy for other peptide buyers. However, sometimes people are just jerks who don't deserve our sympathy. By jerks, I'm not talking about people who on this forum disagree with me even strongly or call me expletives. That's fine. When someone is on the Discord site for SRY and uses a username beginning with SRY, that person stands a good chance of having people contact them to make purchases. Considering that payments are often made in crypto, there is a good chance for fraud. I'm not accusing the user of fraud; I haven't heard SRY claim that the person did so. But if I was SRY, I'd be greatly concerned. And considering the person by his own admission used the SRY- prefix, that discredits him or her in my eyes.

I think everyone agrees that this behavior was completely inappropriate and bad. As I said elsewhere, being an asshole doesn't make you a lying asshole. I still don't believe that we have enough information to know what happened here, but the fact that PDTS has decided to stand by their warning certainly says something.

 

[keangkong]

I think everyone agrees that this behavior was completely inappropriate and bad. As I said elsewhere, being an asshole doesn't make you a lying asshole. I still don't believe that we have enough information to know what happened here, but the fact that PDTS has decided to stand by their warning certainly says something.

What is PDTS? The behavior still on the part of SRY just doesn't make any sense. The last thing a vendor of grey to black market items would want is a reputation for sending stuff designed to get its customers into trouble. That just makes no financial sense. We have an allegation that doesn't make a great deal of sense from a jerk.

 

[Nikki nik]

I only trust salespeople who tell me I'm their friend.

Exactly 🤣 make me feel good about spending my paycheck. Call me friend sexcii all of it.🤣

 

[brentm]

I think everyone agrees that this behavior was completely inappropriate and bad. As I said elsewhere, being an asshole doesn't make you a lying asshole. I still don't believe that we have enough information to know what happened here, but the fact that PDTS has decided to stand by their warning certainly says something.

So a person willing to admit they faked their account to look similar to a company account with malicious intent against SRYLABS and another person suddenly has integrity because the "PDTS" mods stand by their warning?

The guy has a history of lying, deceit, manipulation, and trolling. But now with this "hotpack" incident, we're just supposed to believe he's not lying in this situation?

Get real.

 

[keangkong]

So a person willing to admit they faked their account to look similar to a company account with malicious intent against SRYLABS and another person suddenly has integrity because the "PDTS" mods stand by their warning?

The guy has a history of lying, deceit, manipulation, and trolling. But now with this "hotpack" incident, we're just supposed to believe he's not lying in this situation?

Get real.

It's just amazing to me that a guy that can allegations that are so ridiculous and have a checkered history himself, yet people are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It just shows that there are benefits to lying.

 

[brentm]

It's just amazing to me that a guy that can allegations that are so ridiculous and have a checkered history himself, yet people are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It just shows that there are benefits to lying.

Agreed. Even if the benefits are marginal.

In my eyes, it just makes PTDS staff lose credibility. Never been on their server, and no plans to be either.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

I’m honestly a bit lost here, do we have any actual proof that the respected member faked the customs letter and postage they shared? From what I’ve seen, Alan’s defense is just a screenshot showing they had some personal beef with him, which doesn’t really prove anything about what happened later.

I also saw Krysia’s post backing Alan, but that’s not surprising. She has a reputation for being petty, like banning people from The Swiss just for being surprised about her taking over 30 mg of Tirz at once or for questioning her motives for pushing TCI so hard. She probably got butthurt when the member told her to f-off after her “do you have any prove” comment.

My retraction only extends to my endorsement of the “trusted community member.” I was mistaken about who was the source of the allegation. The guy who it turned out to be is not someone I know, so I can’t speak to the veracity of the claim as confidently as I had initially done. Maybe it’s true, maybe not, my entire position was based on the credibility of the source which in my mind is no longer a sure thing.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

Agreed. Even if the benefits are marginal.

In my eyes, it just makes PTDS staff lose credibility. Never been on their server, and no plans to be either.

Being honest here, not being on PTDS says much more about you than it does about them. Their reputation precedes them for very good, well-earned reasons.

 

[noteablequotable]

I think everyone agrees that this behavior was completely inappropriate and bad. As I said elsewhere, being an asshole doesn't make you a lying asshole.

So a person willing to admit they faked their account to look similar to a company account with malicious intent against SRYLABS and another person suddenly has integrity because the "PDTS" mods stand by their warning?

I feel like you're intentionally misconstruing my point and being a little obstinate here. I'm not saying he's a person of high moral character, I'm saying that even the most psychopathic people you can imagine also sometimes tell the truth. Even a pathological liar doesn't lie about everything.

As much as this guy does not seem great, he could also be telling the truth. We don't have enough information to really understand what went on so that's my current stance: I don't know.

I will say that the fact PDTS seems to find his claims credible is enough to give me pause.

 

[keangkong]

I feel like you're intentionally misconstruing my point and being a little obstinate here. I'm not saying he's a person of high moral character, I'm saying that even the most psychopathic people you can imagine also sometimes tell the truth. Even a pathological liar doesn't lie about everything.

As much as this guy does not seem great, he could also be telling the truth. We don't have enough information to really understand what went on so that's my current stance: I don't know.

I will say that the fact PDTS seems to find his claims credible is enough to give me pause.

Yes, it’s possible that Charles Manson might tell the truth. But I’m not inclined to believe such a person without corroboration. I note that the mods at Peppys have said they don’t believe the guy. Can I definitively prove that SRY didn’t do what they’re accused of by some idiot? No, but I also can’t disprove the existence of leprechauns.

 

[noteablequotable]

Yes, it’s possible that Charles Manson might tell the truth. But I’m not inclined to believe such a person without corroboration. I note that the mods at Peppys have said they don’t believe the guy. Can I definitively prove that SRY didn’t do what they’re accused of by some idiot? No, but I also can’t disprove the existence of leprechauns.

I don't think this guy is Manson, but it absolutely makes sense that you'd want more evidence to corroborate his claims. Unfortunately we're not getting that, especially given how hostile some people have been and the inherently sensitive nature of this issue. That doesn't mean he's lying, it just means we can't prove he's telling the truth. All I'm saying is that there is a huge difference between those two things. This is a textbook case of he said/she said.

One mod over at Peppy's has cleared SRY and it was a controversial decision that does not appear to be unanimous. Given that the person making the accusations had privacy concerns and would not share details with the Peppy's mod but did share them with PDTS, I am inclined to give more weight to the conclusions of PDTS. It's not enough for me to say I 100% believe this person, but it is enough for me to say I'm not sure.

Why has no one asked Alan to release the entire conversation? Couldn't he fork that over and clear some things up for us?

If it helps, I also found a very clear explanation of what happened when he was being more level headed and it seems plausible. Certainly not something that should be outright dismissed:

"It is not the same. Their defense of this is bullshit. Saying “he was never a customer”. I’m currently holding a bottle of their Anavar, a kit of tirz 30, a kit of igf des. I ordered from them because SSA was out of igf at the time. I still have all the screenshots of my convos with them when I ordered. So lie number 1 dismissed.

Alan communicated with me that he was sending igf for testing, and sent pictures of it being packed. 2 months later, no test results. He refused to answer about it, so I pressed him on it. He messaged me asking me to stop, I told him no release the results, good or bad.

I see on my informed delivery that I’m receiving an international pack (this is about a week later). I had no pending orders with anyone at the time, and I have messages with a group of friends on discord from that time to prove this as well. A few days later, I receive a letter from customs. They seized “1 box of steroids”. It was declared as such. This is right after Alan was begging me to stop ragging on his company.

Now, ask yourself who would have the want and who would gain something from making this up? What do I have to gain? Another hot pack?

Fast forward to now, after stating somewhere on discord that I had moved, Alan starts messaging me again. This time he is offering “free tirz”. Calling me a coward for not giving him my new address."

 

[raw_oyster_eater]

As much as this guy does not seem great, he could also be telling the truth.

i really don't give a damn if he is telling the truth. all these accusations against vendors are getting tiring and i'm going to ignore them.

 

[noteablequotable]

i really don't give a damn if he is telling the truth. all these accusations against vendors are getting tiring and i'm going to ignore them.

Okay. That's your prerogative. I feel like you keep waiting for someone to yell at you or call you a bad person for it but no one's going to do that. You have a right to do exactly what you're doing now. I sincerely hope it works out and you stay safe <3

 

[brentm]

I feel like you're intentionally misconstruing my point and being a little obstinate here. I'm not saying he's a person of high moral character, I'm saying that even the most psychopathic people you can imagine also sometimes tell the truth. Even a pathological liar doesn't lie about everything.

As much as this guy does not seem great, he could also be telling the truth. We don't have enough information to really understand what went on so that's my current stance: I don't know.

I will say that the fact PDTS seems to find his claims credible is enough to give me pause.

Putting your faith in fallible humans is your mistake then. This is why I thought that EWB was damaging his own credibility by vouching for Gibs. Especially after it turned out to be an honest mistake on his part for the vouch, which was later retracted.

Why would the community tolerate "community member vendor impersonation" with malicious intent anymore than we would tolerate "vendor shilling" with profit intent?

I don't disagree that liars can occasionally tell the truth. But the burden of proof is so much higher for someone of low moral integrity.

And I don't find fault in saying "I don't know". But I do find fault in saying "I trust [human X]" and that is enough.

 

[brentm]

Being honest here, not being on PTDS says much more about you than it does about them. Their reputation precedes them for very good, well-earned reasons.

It shouldn't say anything about either to be frank.

And reputation is great. But I have a screenshot from there that includes language that the decision on PTDS was not "100% representative of PTDS, as a whole"

And me being on PTDS doesn't mean they're not valuable or respected either. What I am saying is that anything run by humans is fallible.

What should stand out to you are my actions, such as reaching out to you to ensure you wanted to vouch for someone who I thought didn't deserve your vouch. Reaching out to you after you clearly had no interest in what I was saying or my line of questioning.

 

[nurseratchit]

Good lord, haven't checked in here in a while. This rabid defense of vendors over community members is unfathomable to me. I haven't even gone through this whole thread and I am not going to reargue anyone's case here. But get out of your own echo chambers and be willing to view all the facts instead of just cheering for your 'team' and arguing with each other. The purpose of these communities was to protect end users, not vendors. The only one who stands to lose anything is all of you when you get screwed by a bad vendor and there are plenty of them. Even the more reliable ones are never 100% reliable. Sometimes it's a mistake and sometimes it malicious and sometimes it's just bad business.

 

[nurseratchit]

It shouldn't say anything about either to be frank.

And reputation is great. But I have a screenshot from there that includes language that the decision on PTDS was not "100% representative of PTDS, as a whole"

And me being on PTDS doesn't mean they're not valuable or respected either. What I am saying is that anything run by humans is fallible.

What should stand out to you are my actions, such as reaching out to you to ensure you wanted to vouch for someone who I thought didn't deserve your vouch. Reaching out to you after you clearly had no interest in what I was saying or my line of questioning.

What you have is only part of the story and I'm sure I know who you got it from. Actually the whole modmin team supported the decision but 1 person wanted to talk about it first, but still ultimately supported the decision. One of the mods got hasty and posted the danger tag before there was 100% consensus and he apologized for jumping the gun. That is all.

 

[brentm]

Good lord, haven't checked in here in a while. This rabid defense of vendors over community members is unfathomable to me. I haven't even gone through this whole thread and I am not going to reargue anyone's case here. But get out of your own echo chambers and be willing to view all the facts instead of just cheering for your 'team' and arguing with each other. The purpose of these communities was to protect end users, not vendors. The only one who stands to lose anything is all of you when you get screwed by a bad vendor and there are plenty of them. Even the more reliable ones are never 100% reliable. Sometimes it's a mistake and sometimes it malicious and sometimes it's just bad business.

Stop talking nonsense and post facts if you're telling people to review them.

It's so meso of you to simp for liars and (earmuffs EWB) gaslight people for wanting the truth. Admonishing them for "defending vendors".

How about you for defending liar like Gibs.

You're totally cool with spoofing a vendor account with an agenda to defraud them?

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

You're totally cool with spoofing a vendor account with an agenda to defraud them?

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That’s definitely the brand of fuckery that’ll damage the accuser’s credibility.

 

[brentm]

That’s definitely the brand of fuckery that’ll damage the accuser’s credibility

It seems like the edge should cut both ways. Spoofing (shilling) or impersonation with intent to defraud shouldn't be tolerated on either side.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

It seems like the edge should cut both ways. Spoofing or impersonation with intent to defraud shouldn't be tolerated on either side.

For sure it looks like nothing but assholes in this particular situation

 

[brentm]

And for the record I do have questions about SRYLAB with regards to the "counterfeit postage".

For instance, why did SRYLAB "change warehouses" if the labels were printed in China? There could be other reasons but it isn't clear why stating they've changed warehouses was a solution if the labels were purchased and sent along with the drop shipment to the warehouse.

 

[nurseratchit]

The only place selling tirzepatide you can really trust is Eli Lilly. Everyone else is worried about profits.

You think the vendors aren't making a profit?! Last time I checked, QSC had over 7million in their BTC wallet.

 

[brentm]

You think the vendors aren't making a profit?! Last time I checked, QSC had over 7million in their BTC wallet.

Irrelevant to the argument.

Where's all these new facts? I'm waiting....

 

[nurseratchit]

Stop talking nonsense and post facts if you're telling people to review them.

It's so meso of you to simp for liars and (earmuffs EWB) gaslight people for wanting the truth. Admonishing them for "defending vendors".

How about you for defending liar like Gibs.

You're totally cool with spoofing a vendor account with an agenda to defraud them?

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Already said I wasn't going to reargue this case and, once again, you have missed the point. I neither know nor defend Gibs. Nor do I defend SRY who has a longer dirty laundry list than just this incident. And Krysia is certainly not the arbiter of truth, nor is she actually and investigator. No one has all the facts except the parties involved. Peppys has since issued a more neutral 'buyer beware' statement acknowledging that all the facts are not known and likely never will be. This is certainly much better than just assuming, based on one screenshot, that because that member lied about that, he lies about everything else.

I do know, from having been a contributing testing member, that PTDS stands by their warning due to more than just this issue, and witnessing the conversation with multiple mods on there who are considered trusted members of the community. One such member posted that he lost nearly 1K to SRY and he walked away from it rather than get doxxed and he's not a shrinking violet. This was all in the now-nuked server and would be against their rules to share screenshots even if I had them.

Anyway, my point was community members should remain skeptical and continue vetting vendors. Past good experience doesn't mean they get a pass for the future. The best way to vet vendors is to keep testing and reporting rather than getting caught up in he-said she-said.

 

[nurseratchit]

Irrelevant to the argument.

Where's all these new facts? I'm waiting....

I obviously wasn't talking to you in that comment.

 

[brentm]

I obviously wasn't talking to you in that comment.

Welcome to "not your DMs"

 

[nurseratchit]

Welcome to "not your DMs"

so original

 

[brentm]

Already said I wasn't going to reargue this case and, once again, you have missed the point. I neither know nor defend Gibs. Nor do I defend SRY who has a longer dirty laundry list than just this incident. And Krysia is certainly not the arbiter of truth, nor is she actually and investigator. No one has all the facts except the parties involved. Peppys has since issued a more neutral 'buyer beware' statement acknowledging that all the facts are not known and likely never will be. This is certainly much better than just assuming, based on one screenshot, that because that member lied about that, he lies about everything else.

I do know, from having been a contributing testing member, that PTDS stands by their warning due to more than just this issue, and witnessing the conversation with multiple mods on there who are considered trusted members of the community. One such member posted that he lost nearly 1K to SRY and he walked away from it rather than get doxxed and he's not a shrinking violet. This was all in the now-nuked server and would be against their rules to share screenshots even if I had them.

Anyway, my point was community members should remain skeptical and continue vetting vendors. Past good experience doesn't mean they get a pass for the future. The best way to vet vendors is to keep testing and reporting rather than getting caught up in he-said she-said.

Get off your soapbox. You're really not adding any value to the conversation.

You make accusations that we don't have all the facts, yet you present no new facts. Then when pressed for more facts, you say "I'm not going to reargue the case".

Then you bring up a case of someone who doesn't want to be doxxed but is out 1K. And of course all this information is gone... and if it wasn't you couldn't share it anyway?

You should listen to the nonsense you're peddling here. It's garbage.

 

[keangkong]

Get off your soapbox. You're really not adding any value to the conversation.

You make accusations that we don't have all the facts, yet you present no new facts. Then when pressed for more facts, you say "I'm not going to reargue the case".

Then you bring up a case of someone who doesn't want to be doxxed but is out 1K. And of course all this information is gone... and if it wasn't you couldn't share it anyway?

You should listen to the nonsense you're peddling here. It's garbage.

No one has proven that the folks at SRY are not casting evil spells that caused their accuser, Gibs (I think that's his screen name), to nut up and state offensive and contradictory things. It may well be that SRY is using any evil mind spell that keeps Gibs from presenting proof.

 

[keangkong]

Already said I wasn't going to reargue this case and, once again, you have missed the point. I neither know nor defend Gibs. Nor do I defend SRY who has a longer dirty laundry list than just this incident. And Krysia is certainly not the arbiter of truth, nor is she actually and investigator. No one has all the facts except the parties involved. Peppys has since issued a more neutral 'buyer beware' statement acknowledging that all the facts are not known and likely never will be. This is certainly much better than just assuming, based on one screenshot, that because that member lied about that, he lies about everything else.

I do know, from having been a contributing testing member, that PTDS stands by their warning due to more than just this issue, and witnessing the conversation with multiple mods on there who are considered trusted members of the community. One such member posted that he lost nearly 1K to SRY and he walked away from it rather than get doxxed and he's not a shrinking violet. This was all in the now-nuked server and would be against their rules to share screenshots even if I had them.

Anyway, my point was community members should remain skeptical and continue vetting vendors. Past good experience doesn't mean they get a pass for the future. The best way to vet vendors is to keep testing and reporting rather than getting caught up in he-said she-said.

Krysia

 

[nurseratchit]

Get off your soapbox. You're really not adding any value to the conversation.

You make accusations that we don't have all the facts, yet you present no new facts. Then when pressed for more facts, you say "I'm not going to reargue the case".

Then you bring up a case of someone who doesn't want to be doxxed but is out 1K. And of course all this information is gone... and if it wasn't you couldn't share it anyway?

You should listen to the nonsense you're peddling here. It's garbage.

Where did I make any accusations? Yes, I said "No one has all the facts except the parties involved" which is why I did not present any new facts. Please read so you can troll better. You seem to have a dog in this fight, I don't. Okay, I do have a dog...I want people to stay safe, keep staying skeptical, keep vetting vendors and keep testing their products. But everyone can do whatever the hell they want too.

 

[keangkong]

When a forum makes a rule against citing its work, that tends to undercut its own authority. It's tough to just accept the credibility of the group based upon faith. There have been many facts undercutting Gibs' claims. Yet many folks on this forum claim how can we ever know something. Funny those same folks who comment on the uncertainty of reality had no problem a few days ago making specific, factual allegations against SRY. It's funny how it's supposedly weird that we'd rely on someone like Krysia for opinions on the issue, yet we're supposed to believe the conveyed opinions of folks from PTDS even though they don't want to be quoted. You can call what you're preaching skepticism, but its extreme skepticism towards what's likely true with proclamations of faith in that which is the least likely.

 

[zpped]

When a forum makes a rule against citing its work, that tends to undercut its own authority. It's tough to just accept the credibility of the group based upon faith. There have been many facts undercutting Gibs' claims. Yet many folks on this forum claim how can we ever know something. Funny those same folks who comment on the uncertainty of reality had no problem a few days ago making specific, factual allegations against SRY. It's funny how it's supposedly weird that we'd rely on someone like Krysia for opinions on the issue, yet we're supposed to believe the conveyed opinions of folks from PTDS even though they don't want to be quoted. You can call what you're preaching skepticism, but its extreme skepticism towards what's likely true with proclamations of faith in that which is the least likely.

Not screenshotting internal conversations is a very common rule. Anyone is free to join the group it's really not that hard to get access.

As for why trusting one person over another, that's just how trust and reputation work.

 

[keangkong]

You think the vendors aren't making a profit?! Last time I checked, QSC had over 7million in their BTC wallet.

I'm aware that anyone who is selling peptides is concerned about making a profit. There are folks involved in discussing peptides who spent money on helping us discuss them, but none of them are selling things. I don't have anything against a vendor for making a profit. That's what vendors do. Although I'm not in sales, when I work, I get paid. While it's usual to know who has a profit motive, the fact that someone has one does not mean that the person is not doing useful work. I could shop at a nonprofit collective. Instead I'm likely to buy at Amazon. QSC aims to make a profit. So does SRY. As does Amolist and Walgreens, which has sold me Zepbound. Saying that SRY aims to make a profit doesn't tend to prove them unreliable. In some ways, the whole way we buy seems shady. We often pay in crypto. We have no good way of forcing the return of our money if scammed. Yet these same facts, which are known to most buyers, force sellers to behave responsibility so that people won't say bad things about them on forums. SRY appears to have many people saying bad things about SRY based upon things that seem quite unlikely to have happened. (I will not argue about the fentanyl allegations; although I bought from SRY after those allegations were made public, I believe that not buying for SRY based upon those is a valid reason. My heart wouldn't be into trying to change someone's mind on the issue.)

 

[penewbie]

I can always rely on some completely meaningless vendor drama to provide me some entertainment on a Saturday morning.

 

[brentm]

. You seem to have a dog in this fight, I don't.

I don't have a dog in this fight. If I did it would simply be seeking the truth.

In the name of full disclosure, I've used SRYLAB in the past. However my most recent orders have been from other vendors. Specifically Tuk and Sig Aud... before that it was GYC. And I also recently ordered from QSC just to sample the goods and try them out.

My last and most recent order from SRY was in September.

Thanks for all your old and tired warnings about "vetting vendors and keeping them honest".

However, unlike yourself. I'm not willing to compromise my own integrity in the name of "keeping them honest". Your version of keeping them honest sounds slanderous and libel.

 

[exploitedworkerbee]

When a forum makes a rule against citing its work, that tends to undercut its own authority. It's tough to just accept the credibility of the group based upon faith. There have been many facts undercutting Gibs' claims. Yet many folks on this forum claim how can we ever know something. Funny those same folks who comment on the uncertainty of reality had no problem a few days ago making specific, factual allegations against SRY. It's funny how it's supposedly weird that we'd rely on someone like Krysia for opinions on the issue, yet we're supposed to believe the conveyed opinions of folks from PTDS even though they don't want to be quoted. You can call what you're preaching skepticism, but it’s extreme skepticism towards what's likely true with proclamations of faith in that which is the least likely.

i look at this all through a lens of credibility. I don’t know gibs so can’t really say much about their credibility, although masquerading as a vendor for whatever reason doesn’t predispose me to much trust. Krysia is no vendor simp, she has a track record of really digging into these types of questions and coming to a fair determination. PTDS, I can say the most about because I have personally been involved in designating the “buyer beware” tag. It was always, without exception, reserved for severe wrongdoing such as theft from customers or established patterns of poor quality. Sry as a vendor has had plenty of demonstrated issues and has an obvious agenda since they profit from the outcome of this conversation, so not a particularly credible source.

In a world where we don’t have direct personal access to all the facts, we have to choose our surrogates based on how close they are to the situation and what their incentives might be. You can go ahead and choose SRY for whatever reason you want, but if more credible sources who stand to gain or lose nothing from the outcome have seen the source material and made a determination, i am inclined to go that direction.

 

[keangkong]

This rabid defense of vendors over community members is unfathomable to me.

I'm a lawyer. Every now and then I heard about a lawyer getting into trouble with State Bar disciplinary authorities. When I read the disciplinary opinions, my own opinion is usually the same: I'm glad the lawyer got into trouble, either suspended or disbarred. I know, at least where I practice, that lawyers almost never get into trouble with the State Bar unless they deserve it. Why am I bringing this up? Well, I don't feel an obligation to defend shady lawyers just because I'm a lawyer. I'm not all about defending people who are supposedly like me. I prefer people act with integrity. When vendors do shady things, I'll be glad to criticize. However, when community members who happen to live closer to me than the vendors do shady things, I'll criticize them also. From what I've observed in peptide forums generally is that folks are quite quick to blame vendors. That's to a large degree a good thing. We have to trust them since we have don't have any real means to force them to behave ethically. At the same time, it's time to acknowledge that the major vendors that we deal with over and over again generally have pretty good track records. This whole hot packet story never made any logical sense. Why would a company interested in making money be selling grey market items go out of its way to get someone into a tiny amount of trouble knowing that the likely consequence would be tons of bad publicity? It never made any sense. SRY wants to make money. SRY wants to make profits. A company so motivated would not send a hot packe.t

 

[keangkong]

i look at this all through a lens of credibility. I don’t know gibs so can’t really say much about their credibility, although masquerading as a vendor for whatever reason doesn’t predispose me to much trust. Krysia is no vendor simp, she has a track record of really digging into these types of questions and coming to a fair determination. PTDS, I can say the most about because I have personally been involved in designating the “buyer beware” tag. It was always, without exception, reserved for severe wrongdoing such as theft from customers or established patterns of poor quality. Sry as a vendor has had plenty of demonstrated issues and has an obvious agenda since they profit from the outcome of this conversation, so not a particularly credible source.

In a world where we don’t have direct personal access to all the facts, we have to choose our surrogates based on how close they are to the situation and what their incentives might be. You can go ahead and choose SRY for whatever reason you want, but if more credible sources who stand to gain or lose nothing from the outcome have seen the source material and made a determination, i am inclined to go that direction.

It's good that we discussed these matters. When people discuss things, they often won't agree about everything. Thank you for your work moderating this forum and for your contributions.

 

[nurseratchit]

In some ways, the whole way we buy seems shady. We often pay in crypto. We have no good way of forcing the return of our money if scammed.

Of course it's shady, it's the black market. Again, I'm not defending anyone here and hope people will do what they need to do to protect themselves and others.

 

[keangkong]

Not screenshotting internal conversations is a very common rule. Anyone is free to join the group it's really not that hard to get access.

As for why trusting one person over another, that's just how trust and reputation work.

If I understand correctly, I can't currently join. I don't think I agree with the position of the current mods, but if I had the opportunity, I'd read what they had to say about things. It's not uncommon for me to change my opinion when I hear someone else's argument.

 

[keangkong]

I don't have a dog in this fight. If I did it would simply be seeking the truth.

In the name of full disclosure, I've used SRYLAB in the past. However my most recent orders have been from other vendors. Specifically Tuk and Sig Aud... before that it was GYC. And I also recently ordered from QSC just to sample the goods and try them out.

My last and most recent order from SRY was in September.

Thanks for all your old and tired warnings about "vetting vendors and keeping them honest".

However, unlike yourself. I'm not willing to compromise my own integrity in the name of "keeping them honest". Your version of keeping them honest sounds slanderous and libel.

I believe this site is good about keeping people who are vendors from impersonating people who are not. That means that pretty much all the opinions on this issue are coming from people who are advocating what they believe. To be clear, my opinion on what likely happened is pretty close to that advocated by brentm. However, it's not like the folks who disagree are sitting at home saying: "I know SRY didn't do this hot packet thing, but I'm going to argue that they did." People are advocating their point of view because that is what they genuinely believe.

 

[nurseratchit]

I don't have a dog in this fight. If I did it would simply be seeking the truth.

In the name of full disclosure, I've used SRYLAB in the past. However my most recent orders have been from other vendors. Specifically Tuk and Sig Aud... before that it was GYC. And I also recently ordered from QSC just to sample the goods and try them out.

My last and most recent order from SRY was in September.

Thanks for all your old and tired warnings about "vetting vendors and keeping them honest".

However, unlike yourself. I'm not willing to compromise my own integrity in the name of "keeping them honest". Your version of keeping them honest sounds slanderous and libel.

What slander or libel have I committed? Again learn how to read and digest what I have said rather than just coming to "own" me or whatever it is you think you're doing. I get my old and tired warnings from the founder of this forums @ZippityDooDah. https://glp1forum.com/threads/important-disclaimer.901/

I would suggest you go back and read historical posts and see how quickly things change in this world. But I'm sure you'll just come back here with what you think is a clever rebuttal instead.

 

[zpped]

If I understand correctly, I can't currently join. I don't think I agree with the position of the current mods, but if I had the opportunity, I'd read what they had to say about things. It's not uncommon for me to change my opinion when I hear someone else's argument.

At this particular moment new members are delayed for obvious reasons. But anyone can go over to peppys and jump through a couple simple hoops to get an invite.

 

[brentm]

"I know SRY didn't do this hot packet thing, but I'm going to argue that they did." People are advocating their point of view because that is what they genuinely believe.

Is it the Illusion of Superiority or Confirmation Bias that they suffer?

Seems like you'd have to have a low moral compass to get behind the "hotpack" scenario. It didn't make sense to me the first time I heard it and it still doesn't now. There's some cognitive bias at play here if it isn't simply a lack of morality.