Nexaph testing

I have not stayed up on all the Nexaph drama as I have no skin in the game. Never ordered from Cain/Baba because his business was shady as shit from the start. It’s interesting to catch up on this thread and continue to see him talking out both sides of his mouth. His business gets scrutinized because of his loose relationship with the truth. Some of you don’t care as long as the product is good but it’s just a matter of time before this endeavor blows up and your money with it.

The worst you can say about the other highly scrutinized character on this forum, the infamous Tracy, is that he doesn’t hold your hand and coddle you through your order. Yeah, his real name probably isn’t Tracy and he is not going to pretend to be your friend. He doesn’t care about you…newsflash neither does Cain/Baba. Other than his name, Tracy doesn’t pretend to be someone he is not. You place your order in the correct format, don’t waste his time with a bunch of stupid questions and you get your order in a few weeks. Yep, sometimes there are screw ups because he is probably moving more product and has more repeat business than any other vendor.

I’m not shilling for Tracy, just a little compare and contrast, and you can decide for yourselves what’s important to you. There are, of course, many other vendors to choose from. Do your homework and verify, verify, verify…and then maybe you can trust, but still keep verifying. Things change very fast in this space.
 
DwightTheDelight said:
I completely agree with your advice here, but then had to apply it to you as well and now I'm caught in a loop of not trusting you, but then trusting you again, because I believe what you said is a fact and repeating the process.

I've been stuck in this loop since you posted.
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Good, you’re learning!
 
who can give us some training on the manufacturing process. really good technical detail. does anybody at all have the knowledge?
 
nurseratchit said:
I have not stayed up on all the Nexaph drama as I have no skin in the game. Never ordered from Cain/Baba because his business was shady as shit from the start. It’s interesting to catch up on this thread and continue to see him talking out both sides of his mouth. His business gets scrutinized because of his loose relationship with the truth. Some of you don’t care as long as the product is good but it’s just a matter of time before this endeavor blows up and your money with it.

The worst you can say about the other highly scrutinized character on this forum, the infamous Tracy, is that he doesn’t hold your hand and coddle you through your order. Yeah, his real name probably isn’t Tracy and he is not going to pretend to be your friend. He doesn’t care about you…newsflash neither does Cain/Baba. Other than his name, Tracy doesn’t pretend to be someone he is not. You place your order in the correct format, don’t waste his time with a bunch of stupid questions and you get your order in a few weeks. Yep, sometimes there are screw ups because he is probably moving more product and has more repeat business than any other vendor.

I’m not shilling for Tracy, just a little compare and contrast, and you can decide for yourselves what’s important to you. There are, of course, many other vendors to choose from. Do your homework and verify, verify, verify…and then maybe you can trust, but still keep verifying. Things change very fast in this space.
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Kinda like the people that wired money to qsc for the Black Friday deals that are in limbo because the wires are getting rejected? Or worse they’re losing their money?
 
JohnnyGobbs said:
Is my Reta part of the compromised batch or no? Just catching up on this thread but I’m a Customer and haven’t been following lately. Just wondering. Thx!
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Update: I did receive a replacement batch (just checked my packages today)…so that’s cool. I’m also currently pinning a vial from the compromised batch and I’m still alive.
 
Cain!
 

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Peevee said:
Kinda like the people that wired money to qsc for the Black Friday deals that are in limbo because the wires are getting rejected? Or worse they’re losing their money?
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How is a third party app refusing to complete a transaction a vendors fault though? It's a shitty situation, but.....idk what we expect to happen here and yet another risk of dealing in the industry.
 
Peevee said:
Kinda like the people that wired money to qsc for the Black Friday deals that are in limbo because the wires are getting rejected? Or worse they’re losing their money?
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I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. I am offering up a comparison because don’t believe in blind loyalty to any vendor. I’ve had solid transactions with QSC so far but I am aware there is always a risk of things going sideways. This is true of any vendor so the illusion of customer service doesn’t sway me.

With the volume that QSC does (>7mil in their BTC wallet) it’s not surprising that things fall through the cracks or mistakes are made but I have also seen many cases of users not following the correct format and then calling out Tracy when it was their own error.
 
nurseratchit said:
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. I am offering up a comparison because don’t believe in blind loyalty to any vendor. I’ve had solid transactions with QSC so far but I am aware there is always a risk of things going sideways. This is true of any vendor so the illusion of customer service doesn’t sway me.

With the volume that QSC does (>7mil in their BTC wallet) it’s not surprising that things fall through the cracks or mistakes are made but I have also seen many cases of users not following the correct format and then calling out Tracy when it was their own error.
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QSC wasn’t the only vendor to have issues with rejected wise payments this past week either.
 
glpfun said:
QSC wasn’t the only vendor to have issues with rejected wise payments this past week either.
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Even though it’s still a little nerve wracking, I prefer the crypto route. I also know there’s something with QSC, if you do bank transfer, I think it has to come out of checking and not savings, but I’m not sure.
 
nurseratchit said:
Even though it’s still a little nerve wracking, I prefer the crypto route. I also know there’s something with QSC, if you do bank transfer, I think it has to come out of checking and not savings, but I’m not sure.
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I've had good experiences with ASC. They still offer PayPal, and while there have been some hiccups they are incredibly quick to resolve things in a way that favors the customer (offering refunds and replacements instead of discounts and credits). They actually had a stock issue on my very first order and not only did they let me know as soon as they realized it, they gave me a refund within a few minutes of me deciding on that solution.

So far as I know they don't need to run any clinical trials so I feel safer working with them than Nexaph (for now).
 
noteablequotable said:
I've had good experiences with ASC. They still offer PayPal, and while there have been some hiccups they are incredibly quick to resolve things in a way that favors the customer (offering refunds and replacements instead of discounts and credits). They actually had a stock issue on my very first order and not only did they let me know as soon as they realized it, they gave me a refund within a few minutes of me deciding on that solution.

So far as I know they don't need to run any clinical trials so I feel safer working with them than Nexaph (for now).
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ASC was my 2nd grey order and also a good experience for me. The only thing I noticed recently is that they only guarantee >98% purity whereas most other vendors guarantee >99%. I’ve reached out to Tuk about this but, as far as I know that hasn’t changed. My product tested over 99% but just something to keep in mind when considering future purchases. I would also be careful about using PayPal to send directly to a vendor. Have seen several people getting accounts shut down if PP deems it suspicious.
 
nurseratchit said:
ASC was my 2nd grey order and also a good experience for me. The only thing I noticed recently is that they only guarantee >98% purity whereas most other vendors guarantee >99%. I’ve reached out to Tuk about this but, as far as I know that hasn’t changed. My product tested over 99% but just something to keep in mind when considering future purchases. I would also be careful about using PayPal to send directly to a vendor. Have seen several people getting accounts shut down if PP deems it suspicious.
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I can confirm. I bought a mix of non- GLP-1 peps from them and 2/6 came back at 98%. When I asked about it they said that was standard, but they seemed open to discussing resolutions if I was unhappy. I dropped it since 98% is perfectly fine to use, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
noteablequotable said:
I can confirm. I bought a mix of non- GLP-1 peps from them and 2/6 came back at 98%. When I asked about it they said that was standard, but they seemed open to discussing resolutions if I was unhappy. I dropped it since 98% is perfectly fine to use, but it's something to keep in mind.
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Yeah, they are upfront about it at least. I told Tuk they might get more business if they had the same guarantee as most everyone else. I would probably still use over 98% too but then the next question that comes to my mind is the stuff that starts out at lower purity degrading at a faster rate.
 
wtgwd said:
Just got this back last night on the BPC-157. They got the vial yesterday morning and had the results to me last night already- very impressed with the speed. I also sent away for sterility but that will be a couple of weeks. Results are pretty much right in line with the lab results posted on their site.
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Can I ask cost to carry this out ?
 
Join the Nexaph telegram. He's now scamming people by not honoring purity tests.

First it's 99% under and reship now he retroactively adds a new rule Jano test only and then next new new rule will probably be it was 99% when I shipped it to you cya losers
 
beefsteak said:
Join the Nexaph telegram. He's now scamming people by not honoring purity tests.

First it's 99% under and reship now he retroactively adds a new rule Jano test only and then next new new rule will probably be it was 99% when I shipped it to you cya losers
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To be fair (not that he deserves it at this point) there is currently some drama around whether or not specific labs have been fudging their tests. Sucks for us as customers.
 
noteablequotable said:
To be fair (not that he deserves it at this point) there is currently some drama around whether or not specific labs have been fudging their tests. Sucks for us as customers.
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Im not a homer, but can confirm from the start, he made it clear jano is required. There's screenshots a while back of him saying it.

What made it confusing for some newer individuals was in-house use of TP for marketing/vendor tests due to jano timelines and sponsoring 3rd party test that utilized TP.

Crappy situation, but don't think he's trying to scam people over it. I'd trust Jano the most too.
 
nccane said:
Im not a homer, but can confirm from the start, he made it clear jano is required. There's screenshots a while back of him saying it.

What made it confusing for some newer individuals was in-house use of TP for marketing/vendor tests due to jano timelines and sponsoring 3rd party test that utilized TP.

Crappy situation, but don't think he's trying to scam people over it. I'd trust Jano the most too.
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I will say this:

if he trusts TP enough to use them and sponsor 3rd party tests that use them, he should accept their results for the purposes of issuing refunds / reshipments.
 
noteablequotable said:
I'm 100% sure that's why he's doing it, I just wanted to clarify that it's not necessarily unreasonable.
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I know a lot of people here do not trust Cain. From what I have read, some have good reasons. Especially the weird relationship between him and Dionysus. Personally, I have had good experiences with Nexaph. He responds promptly to inquiries, and for the one reship I received I didn’t need to do anything. I would not have even known anything was wrong with the batch if Cain didn’t tell me. If he did do some shady things in the past, he seems to be trying to make up for it.
 
noteablequotable said:
I will say this:

if he trusts TP enough to use them and sponsor 3rd party tests that use them, he should accept their results for the purposes of issuing refunds / reshipments.
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Dont disagree. But not going to downplay the conundrum of the gold standard testing a vial from a kit and giving it a 99.9% after TP tested it at 98.6.

It's a shitty situation. I guess as a business. If you can afford it, you just reship and move on to avoid backlash.

But this is messy. Could have been avoided by not mudding the waters by utilizing tp for vendor tests to cross check Jano.
 
AndyPanda said:
I know a lot of people here do not trust Cain. From what I have read, some have good reasons. Especially the weird relationship between him and Dionysus. Personally, I have had good experiences with Nexaph. He responds promptly to inquiries, and for the one reship I received I didn’t need to do anything. I would not have even known anything was wrong with the batch if Cain didn’t tell me. If he did do some shady things in the past, he seems to be trying to make up for it.
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I don't think anyone here has disputed that. We know he's no Cantydes.

Bad results happen, and, I feel like I've already beat this horse to death, but imho HOW the bad results happened and the lack of risk controls to prevent this problem from occuring in the future is an issue for me.
 
noteablequotable said:
I don't think anyone here has disputed that. We know he's no Cantydes.

Bad results happen, and, I feel like I've already beat this horse to death, but imho HOW the bad results happened and the lack of risk controls to prevent this problem from occuring in the future is an issue for me.
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I can appreciate that.
 
nccane said:
Im not a homer, but can confirm from the start, he made it clear jano is required. There's screenshots a while back of him saying it.

What made it confusing for some newer individuals was in-house use of TP for marketing/vendor tests due to jano timelines and sponsoring 3rd party test that utilized TP.

Crappy situation, but don't think he's trying to scam people over it. I'd trust Jano the most too.
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Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.
 
glpfun said:
Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…
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Yes, that's correct.

TP is Trust Point, they're kind of like the parent company of Peptide Test
 
glpfun said:
Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.
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I agree. If you use a lab to provide testing results that you ask others to rely upon in buying from you, then the buyer should be able to use the same lab and have those results honored. If the seller doesn't trust that lab's results, then the seller should post COAs from that lab.
 
glpfun said:
Wait so he sponsored testing with a specific third party and isn’t honoring reship with results from that same company? What is TP? I know of PT…

Unless he can demonstrate there is an actual issue with the testing process or results he should honor the reship policy. He is essentially saying that the results are good enough for taking money from you but not good enough for him to give back that money. That’s hypocritical and shitty business.
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Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.
 
chmuse said:
Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.
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I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?
 
chmuse said:
Afaik the only testing place that has been called out by name is Vanguard. They're fudging total volume, which is both shitty and unsafe for the end user.
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keangkong said:
I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?
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Some folks are looking into this and it definitely seems like there has been more than one instance involving Vanguard. From what I've been told there is also one instance involving a different testing company, but no pattern of behavior established yet. That's about all I can say for now.
 
keangkong said:
I've heard accusations that Vanguard got one test wrong based upon the fact that several similar vials were tested by others and had a far different weight. That incident involved a vial that the seller later acknowledged had the wrong mass. Vanguard's report is suggestive of not actually weighing but it could also be that one vial simply had much less in it. Does Vanguard has a reputation for getting the mass wrong outside of that one recent incident?
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noteablequotable said:
Some folks are looking into this and it definitely seems like there has been more than one instance involving Vanguard. From what I've been told there is also one instance involving a different testing company, but no pattern of behavior established yet. That's about all I can say for now.
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I defer to notable on this one; he will be significantly more informed than I am.
 
noteablequotable said:
To be fair (not that he deserves it at this point) there is currently some drama around whether or not specific labs have been fudging their tests. Sucks for us as customers.
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thats just vanguard and they are suspected of overestimating, not under.

Not taking TP tests is just stupid. But so are 99% guarantees.

Edit to add: this isn't the only incident with vanguard. it's a building pile of things people are compiling.
 
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zpped said:
thats just vanguard and they are suspected of overestimating, not under.

Not taking TP tests is just stupid. But so are 99% guarantees.

Edit to add: this isn't the only incident with vanguard. it's a building pile of things people are compiling.
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It's not just Vanguard, but I am one of the people helping compile information about them specifically. I don't really want to talk about it much because some labs and vendors are more active on these forums than others and it benefits us when they don't know what we're doing.
 
I want to meet the person that is unwilling to inject from a batch tested 1x at 98.6% at Peptide test, and 3x at >99% from Jano.

Does that person even exist? Probably not.

At this point it sounds like ya'll are a bunch of whiny bitches who just want some free shit.
Doesn't have anything to do with quality or purity or product, just plain greed.
 
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