WARNING: AVOID AMINOS RESEARCH AT ALL COSTS!!! DANGER!!!

Eclipse said:
Regarding GLiPtide, we worked with a team of scientists and testing labs to design modifications in order for researchers to study the effects of various fatty acid side chains in lieu of the existing side chains utilized on existing GLP1 type sequences available. GLiPtide specifically was the C18 side chain of Sema on the main sequence of Tirz instead of the C20 side chain currently utilized. GLiPtide is two carbons smaller. This was tested and validated by the labs as it’s such a small change. We had plans to also develop and study a myriad of other side chain with main chain combos to better understand the effects of these fatty acids. While I believe that studies of these side chains would make for very enlightening and fruitful studies, my delivery of what we were doing was simply poor. In my excitement over this new product, I failed to thoroughly assess the implications of such an endeavor and my delivery of information was extremely misguided. For that I am deeply sorry to you all.
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ZippityDooDah said:
The post is absolutely alarmist because the behavior of this vendor is alarming.

Every other peptide out there has been through some kind of legitimate R&D process at some point in the past, the vast majority of them having completed animal trials and many having completed some human trials. Regardless there is a lot of literature and knowledge publicly available for all of them to help people make informed decisions about what they're experimenting with.

Here we're dealing with a person with zero qualifications cooking up some mystery molecule with only his word about what it allegedly is and does (we learned in private discussions that his assertions about the efficacy, etc. were entirely THEORETICAL with zero actual proof to back up his claims never mind any kind of SAFETY concerns). Top that off with his Coca Cola-esque "secret recipe" and unlike every other peptide in the world for which there is publicly available and peer reviewed data he's expecting people to just take his word. Alarming.

Frankly, this guy is dangerous and it's only prudent to assume that any of his other products that haven't been proven pure and safe via independent testing (and not any testing he has commissioned or paid for) ARE NOT SAFE TO USE. Someone this mentally unstable could very easily have been altering products sent to customers for MONTHS to see how they reported back on the effects of what they thought was tirzepatide when they were in fact an unwilling test subject injecting this mystery chemical. Medical history has a long list of supposedly well-intentioned "scientists" and "physicians" injecting people with experimental drugs under the guise that they were safe vaccines, etc. that turned out killing, sickening, and crippling countless innocent people. That is what this narcissistic psychopath just tried doing to unwitting members of the
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ZippityDooDah said:
The post is absolutely alarmist because the behavior of this vendor is alarming.

Every other peptide out there has been through some kind of legitimate R&D process at some point in the past, the vast majority of them having completed animal trials and many having completed some human trials. Regardless there is a lot of literature and knowledge publicly available for all of them to help people make informed decisions about what they're experimenting with.

Here we're dealing with a person with zero qualifications cooking up some mystery molecule with only his word about what it allegedly is and does (we learned in private discussions that his assertions about the efficacy, etc. were entirely THEORETICAL with zero actual proof to back up his claims never mind any kind of SAFETY concerns). Top that off with his Coca Cola-esque "secret recipe" and unlike every other peptide in the world for which there is publicly available and peer reviewed data he's expecting people to just take his word. Alarming.

Frankly, this guy is dangerous and it's only prudent to assume that any of his other products that haven't been proven pure and safe via independent testing (and not any testing he has commissioned or paid for) ARE NOT SAFE TO USE. Someone this mentally unstable could very easily have been altering products sent to customers for MONTHS to see how they reported back on the effects of what they thought was tirzepatide when they were in fact an unwilling test subject injecting this mystery chemical. Medical history has a long list of supposedly well-intentioned "scientists" and "physicians" injecting people with experimental drugs under the guise that they were safe vaccines, etc. that turned out killing, sickening, and crippling countless innocent people. That is what this narcissistic psychopath just tried doing to unwitting members of the peptide enthusiast community.
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Imagine a new disease they can’t figure out the source caused by a Frankenstein peptide….. we had eosinophilia myalgia syndrome years ago probably from tainted tryptophan (debating that still) from a Japanese company taking shortcuts……..
 
Revo39564 said:
Imagine a new disease they can’t figure out the source caused by a Frankenstein peptide….. we had eosinophilia myalgia syndrome years ago probably from tainted tryptophan (debating that still) from a Japanese company taking shortcuts……..
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Wow i had never read about EMS and it's terrifying even if still debated on the exact cause, the options are equally scary and relevant to the current research world.
 
My best friends mom had EMS. All from an amino acid supplement.. docs were writing scripts for it. Tryptophan was banned for many years in the US due to it. The Japanese manufacturer had something like 60-70 contaminants in their product….. crazy
 
catdog said:
Has anyone seen buyer testing done on AR products, or even more specifically the wholesale tirz?
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No I havent seen any. After the craziness I might send one from my tirz bulk buy. Idk he is the only vendor I trusted. Looking for a new source to purchase. Found a FDA China manufacturer but getting the run around. I have checked 3 companies so far …..
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I agree that if it's a blend it shouldn't be presented as a single compound, but at the moment between BB Amino's claims and jano's statement/report I don't see why you're assuming it's a blend. All the limited evidence we're working from points to it being a single compound. I'm getting the sense you're trying to gin up a scandal at the edges where there isn't one while ignoring the giant scandal that is in fact present.
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nurseratchit said:
Anyone who would pull a stunt like that would lose my trust immediately regardless of past performance.
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yes, agreed! trust is gone forever now.
 
FourthQuintile said:
I always miss the QR code part 😳

But yeah, looks like my question and yours were answered later on, Janoshik was provided with a reference by AR, and tested it against said reference. As much as Janoshik is a highly, highly valued part of this greater overall community, he is exactly one single part of it: Does provided sample contain what the test request is looking to see if it contains?

FWIW part of me also figures that if such a substance could be created, and had anything close to what is claimed for effectiveness...Big Pharma would (rightfully so arguably) have been all over it. If semi-random vendor can have a lab create this, so could any of Big Pharma. Only obstacle I can think of there would be if it infringes on the patents for S or T, that would stop them from it.


As a devil's advocate response, I'd like some sort of Phase 1 testing on a compound at absolute bare minimum, and in particular having that testing rather than being charged for the "privilege" of being the Phase 1 tester myself, which is basically what this is.

What even would a researcher dose this as? If it is a molecule that is part S and part T, well, on a milligram basis those doses are very different. 2.5mg is the T starting dose. 2.5mg is the current S long-term dose. Should someone administer 0.25mg? 2.5mg? In between? More? Less?

At least after a Phase 2 trial, a researcher would have a halfway decent idea of what dosage and schedule for administration may or may not cause whatever set of desired effects and unwanted side effects one is comfortable with.
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This!!! Every word of this!
 
Revo39564 said:
No I havent seen any. After the craziness I might send one from my tirz bulk buy. Idk he is the only vendor I trusted. Looking for a new source to purchase. Found a FDA China manufacturer but getting the run around. I have checked 3 companies so far …..
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You are not alone. I feel like he was the only honest vendor as well and now??🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m super curious to know if any of his super sale products have been tested. I’ve had a handful of people offer to go in on a test but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. TBH I didn’t take “ this tirz is not working well “ all that seriously until recently. Starting to wonder.😬
 
SassyPants said:
You are not alone. I feel like he was the only honest vendor as well and now??🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m super curious to know if any of his super sale products have been tested. I’ve had a handful of people offer to go in on a test but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. TBH I didn’t take “ this tirz is not working well “ all that seriously until recently. Starting to wonder.😬
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Yes I agree. Its like Santa Claus crapped in one of my stockings: Xmas isn’t the same anymore lol
 
SassyPants said:
You are not alone. I feel like he was the only honest vendor as well and now??🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m super curious to know if any of his super sale products have been tested. I’ve had a handful of people offer to go in on a test but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. TBH I didn’t take “ this tirz is not working well “ all that seriously until recently. Starting to wonder.😬
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I think I read that they were underfilled
 
SassyPants said:
You are not alone. I feel like he was the only honest vendor as well and now??🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m super curious to know if any of his super sale products have been tested. I’ve had a handful of people offer to go in on a test but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. TBH I didn’t take “ this tirz is not working well “ all that seriously until recently. Starting to wonder.😬
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Revo39564 said:
No I havent seen any. After the craziness I might send one from my tirz bulk buy. Idk he is the only vendor I trusted. Looking for a new source to purchase. Found a FDA China manufacturer but getting the run around. I have checked 3 companies so far …..
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What exactly made this guy trustworthy to begin with? We all knew he was making an insane profit off his resale price, his FB group was already fairly unhinged and not shy about talking about human research, he had rabid followers posting all over other forums (still does), and the whole "fire sale then we're closing down for weeks" seemed like a huge red flag. Not to mention they decided to start lyophilizing some of their own products in who knows what conditions. There are plenty of other solid US vendors, but at this point I have greater "trust" (in quotes b/c, trust no one in this line of research) some of the CN vendors that have a long track record of meeting testing standards, slimmer margins (still large I'm sure), and care about the reputation risk if they F something up with US buyers.
 
Tomes said:
What exactly made this guy trustworthy to begin with? We all knew he was making an insane profit off his resale price, his FB group was already fairly unhinged and not shy about talking about human research, he had rabid followers posting all over other forums (still does), and the whole "fire sale then we're closing down for weeks" seemed like a huge red flag. Not to mention they decided to start lyophilizing some of their own products in who knows what conditions. There are plenty of other solid US vendors, but at this point I have greater "trust" (in quotes b/c, trust no one in this line of research) some of the CN vendors that have a long track record of meeting testing standards, slimmer margins (still large I'm sure), and care about the reputation risk if they F something up with US buyers.
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Trust but verify as Reagan said lol…. Probably false trust because he pushed the double testing. I haven’t used the 30 mg tirz I bought yet. Stuck in a -20 c deep freeze. Only using the 3 other companies I tested for now. So far none have grown any bacteria or fungi on the plates I have diy cultured
 
Just a random thought...do you all ever think we may have missed our calling?
Revo up there playing with Petri dishes...im.over here ph testing as I read..
Who knows what Dio is doing...it's probably good we don't know..lol
 
Also, I could never figure out how BB could have such accurate mg on each product. As a chemist that used to work in big pharma, you take samples from instrumentation (HPLC for example) in triplicates and average the number as your result.Had we tested the products at another third party testing lab, we would have shed light on more going on there.
 
Gwenhwyfar227 said:
Just a random thought...do you all ever think we may have missed our calling?
Revo up there playing with Petri dishes...im.over here ph testing as I read..
Who knows what Dio is doing...it's probably good we don't know..lol
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I took micro 20 years ago….. now an NP chatting with College researchers on how they test peptides …. Yes I would love to be in a lab researching this stuff lol
 
Revo39564 said:
I took micro 20 years ago….. now an NP chatting with College researchers on how they test peptides …. Yes I would love to be in a lab researching this stuff lol
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Yeah not my thing..I will leave ya to it
I will be over here making sure your electricity is on for your lab..hahahaha
* Design Electrical Substations *
 
Gwenhwyfar227 said:
Yeah not my thing..I will leave ya to it
I will be over here making sure your electricity is on for your lab..hahahaha
* Design Electrical Substations *
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That’s a cool job. I am a jack of all trades at home. ADHD mind has to stay busy……
 
ZippityDooDah said:
So the nut job that runs AR just tried peddling a "new" peptide he claims to have invented. No papers published, no peer reviews, no rodent testing, no FDA filings, just "hey I invented this new GLP-1/GIP peptide and you should shoot yourself up with it!".

This kind of dangerous behavior is unacceptable in this hobby, and this kind of vendor CAN NOT BE TRUSTED to provide ANY PRODUCTS that haven't been unsafely manipulated, adulterated, or contaminated. With this kind of sick individual, you have to assume the worst!

As forum policy from this moment forward, referring or recommending AR is prohibited.

I strongly recommend anyone who has AR product in-hand or en route to immediately demand a refund and destroy the products, or at a bare minimum have it tested before use. There is no way of knowing if he has been shipping this concoction to unsuspecting customers, or if he's been tampering with other peptides he's been selling.

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I've been watching all this foolishness unfold!!!!! It's like a cult of people following him...tag after tag.... question after question. Like a bunch of elementary school kids🤣it's so funny watching. I purchased 1 kit of tirz! Not in a scare because I knew that wasn't the end of tirz. I see/saw greed in all of this. I witnessed with my own 2 eyes one lady said she spent thousands on sema under another complaint post and all has gone down the drain. It's a gamble people took during the wholesale shenanigans process but damn....at least execute with what WE THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. After this several folk added how they wasn't noticing any good in their products. Afterwhile the post was taken down. I'll never worship a human being as these thirst buckets were. 🤣 So glad I do 100% observation! Now he switched up the FB page.... guess he's in hiding! I still have my kit hmmmmm
 
Nikki nik said:
I've been watching all this foolishness unfold!!!!! It's like a cult of people following him...tag after tag.... question after question. Like a bunch of elementary school kids🤣it's so funny watching. I purchased 1 kit of tirz! Not in a scare because I knew that wasn't the end of tirz. I see/saw greed in all of this. I witnessed with my own 2 eyes one lady said she spent thousands on sema under another complaint post and all has gone down the drain. It's a gamble people took during the wholesale shenanigans process but damn....at least execute with what WE THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. After this several folk added how they wasn't noticing any good in their products. Afterwhile the post was taken down. I'll never worship a human being as these thirst buckets were. 🤣 So glad I do 100% observation! Now he switched up the FB page.... guess he's in hiding! I still have my kit hmmmmm
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Yup never put all your eggs in one basket. Wish I was a pharmacist I could order straight from the Chinese chem plants lol
 
Nikki nik said:
I've been watching all this foolishness unfold!!!!! It's like a cult of people following him...tag after tag.... question after question. Like a bunch of elementary school kids🤣it's so funny watching. I purchased 1 kit of tirz! Not in a scare because I knew that wasn't the end of tirz. I see/saw greed in all of this. I witnessed with my own 2 eyes one lady said she spent thousands on sema under another complaint post and all has gone down the drain. It's a gamble people took during the wholesale shenanigans process but damn....at least execute with what WE THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. After this several folk added how they wasn't noticing any good in their products. Afterwhile the post was taken down. I'll never worship a human being as these thirst buckets were. 🤣 So glad I do 100% observation! Now he switched up the FB page.... guess he's in hiding! I still have my kit hmmmmm
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I should have kept my mouth shut and not gotten kicked out of his group to watch the shit show unfold
 
MrsRoper_1977 said:
Only the 50 were underfilled. I think they’re asking if anyone has done their own testing to confirm the Jano tests.
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Yes, I apologize. I wasn’t clear. Another asked about independent testing and that others said it didn’t “ feel “ right and asked about going in on a test. Wanted to send it in without company name ( or use a dif name I can’t recall ) to a different lab to see what came back. I kind of blew it off as I had complete trust that everything was on the up & up.
 
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