GROUP BUY CAUTION!!!

Drexeldragon216 said:
I talked with this person a few times and was going to take part a while back but for some reason Crypto and the wallets is hard to wrap my head around so I ended up going w/ Amo for a few kits. I really hope you’re not left out in the cold on this one.
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Yea I got burned by him along with many others. I wasn't buying a full kit so thought it might be the best way to go and seemed to have a good a rep in the discord. Lesson learned, buy direct from now on.
 
meowTime said:
The mods/admins deleted the channel in pepchat. It was the split/GB channel.
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Damn, this is really awful. Shows everyone needs to do their research not only on products but members. I was talking to him but he seemed pushy on Crypto only, I understand why now. This won't be the last time something like this happens, stay safe everyone.
 
I thought about using Roach once, had never heard anything bad but I guess that doesn't mean anything. Seems weird that someone would steal people's money and then post something confirming it. "Hey everyone, I am disappearing with all the money for this reason. Don't wonder what happened to me, here is a convenient explanation." I'm not in law enforcement but it doesn't seem like the usual criminal behavior. I mean, this person had access to thousands of dollars and the same quantity of drugs. Maybe someone found them.
 
Uncle Bub said:
Yea I got burned by him along with many others. I wasn't buying a full kit so thought it might be the best way to go and seemed to have a good a rep in the discord. Lesson learned, buy direct from now on.
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I did too. It was one of the multi-pep promos where MOQ was 300 and I only needed a few different kits; lesson learned. He really got some of the folks with the tirz 50. I remember when the promo closed he posted he had some buyers back out and had some extra kits coming. That was really shitty. It just sucks all around.

I’ll just buy straight from Q next time.
 
zpped said:
There is zero evidence that that post was real.
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he did know things that would not have been known publicly... like what Princess DM'ed him.. and another member (how much his order was..).. so sounded pretty convincing. The only thing you can be sure is not true is him being from south america..
 
zpped said:
There is zero evidence that that post was real.
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He knew info that someone had given him in an order and he offered to send $1 to anyone from the address he accepted crypto from.
 
zpped said:
There is zero evidence that that post was real.
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Honestly the writing style didn't seem the same compared to older posts. Supposedly he knew details but I don't know, I'm not convinced that was the real Roach. Regardless, I think the real Roach scammed a lot of people for a lot of money. There was another smaller scale scam on the QSC tg as well a couple weeks ago where a few people sent money for product to a very active participant in the channel and then vanished a few days after getting the money. People need to be more careful.
 
ZippityDooDah said:
As some of you may know, there are several "group buy" Discord servers and Facebook groups popping up recently offering some really attractive bulk pricing over a limited time/supply.

First and foremost, please understand that most of these groups are for-profit and are really just vendors pursuing a "group buy" offering concept instead of doing their own branding, having a website, paying for their own testing, etc.

Most importantly, no matter how great a deal one of these "buys" may seem to be, you should give serious consideration to WHO is running the group and if they can be TRUSTED. A short time ago, one of the people operating one of these group sales began doxxing buyers, full name, address, email, etc. So you really have to consider if agreeing to buy peptides from a random person on the internet offering attractive prices through a "group buy" is worth having your personal information revealed publicly. There are also people being ghosted and banned after paying for their purchase.

Right now, the only GB ("group buy") server I'm comfortable recommending is PGB run by jlo. If you don't know what that means, then you have more work to do as participants have to meet a certain level of knowledge and understanding to be invited to join. But, suffice it to say that if you hear of or are invited to any other group that I would recommend avoiding it!

Oh, and the GB's being offered by QSC are ok in my book as well.

There are some really sketchy people out there trying to take advantage of people's desperation to buy their GLP-1's and other peptides at the best discount possible, and sadly a lot of innocent people have fallen victim to scammers. Please don't be one of them!
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Can you swnd me a discord link for pGB please?
 
RedSkip said:
Damn, this is really awful. Shows everyone needs to do their research not only on products but members. I was talking to him but he seemed pushy on Crypto only, I understand why now. This won't be the last time something like this happens, stay safe everyone.
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Same. I reached out and he would only do crypto. So I passed.
 
tangoecho311 said:
Same. I reached out and he would only do crypto. So I passed.
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You got lucky. I would have said no to crypto but he was willing to take venmo and I saw the venmo had a long history so it was probably real. Turned out he scammed the venmo owner into using her account to help a few people who didn't know how to use crypto.
Also I thought I was placing an order because SRY, they're also here, put on their disq Announcement saying he is their authorized US reshipper. He was their admin too. I went on there to address the issue and they're playing dumb. Didn't acknowledge anything let alone take responsibility.
It's a joke, other users saw their Announcements too, no one's blind.
Sry admin said they no longer deal with him since so and so. That's fantastic, but did they ever considered telling other people, maybe make another official admin Announcement?
No they didn't.
Up until a week before Roach disappeared he's still on Sry disq talking about working with them on the promos/GB. "we already designed the promo, just waiting for the ok...'
BUT SRY won't address my issue "You didn't order from us".
 
roake said:
You got lucky. I would have said no to crypto but he was willing to take venmo and I saw the venmo had a long history so it was probably real. Turned out he scammed the venmo owner into using her account to help a few people who didn't know how to use crypto.
Also I thought I was placing an order because SRY, they're also here, put on their disq Announcement saying he is their authorized US reshipper. He was their admin too. I went on there to address the issue and they're playing dumb. Didn't acknowledge anything let alone take responsibility.
It's a joke, other users saw their Announcements too, no one's blind.
Sry admin said they no longer deal with him since so and so. That's fantastic, but did they ever considered telling other people, maybe make another official admin Announcement?
No they didn't.
Up until a week before Roach disappeared he's still on Sry disq talking about working with them on the promos/GB. "we already designed the promo, just waiting for the ok...'
BUT SRY won't address my issue "You didn't order from us".
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There's been way too many red flags on SRY and QSC lately for me to feel comfortable ordering from them. People saying their qsc vials have zero identifiers on the boxes and qsc says they're no longer answering questions about what product is in which vial. I also had a bad experience with a really pushy SRY rep. I tried to order from Amo but Alibaba flagged the transaction and I couldn't get any payment type to go through. The only one I'd order from currently is ASC. Tuk seems pretty legit in our conversations. The promo they have currently is insane pricing. But I just don't want a full box of T60 right now.
 
roake said:
You got lucky. I would have said no to crypto but he was willing to take venmo and I saw the venmo had a long history so it was probably real. Turned out he scammed the venmo owner into using her account to help a few people who didn't know how to use crypto.
Also I thought I was placing an order because SRY, they're also here, put on their disq Announcement saying he is their authorized US reshipper. He was their admin too. I went on there to address the issue and they're playing dumb. Didn't acknowledge anything let alone take responsibility.
It's a joke, other users saw their Announcements too, no one's blind.
Sry admin said they no longer deal with him since so and so. That's fantastic, but did they ever considered telling other people, maybe make another official admin Announcement?
No they didn't.
Up until a week before Roach disappeared he's still on Sry disq talking about working with them on the promos/GB. "we already designed the promo, just waiting for the ok...'
BUT SRY won't address my issue "You didn't order from us".
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That is so shitty.
 
tangoecho311 said:
There's been way too many red flags on SRY and QSC lately for me to feel comfortable ordering from them. People saying their qsc vials have zero identifiers on the boxes and qsc says they're no longer answering questions about what product is in which vial. I also had a bad experience with a really pushy SRY rep. I tried to order from Amo but Alibaba flagged the transaction and I couldn't get any payment type to go through. The only one I'd order from currently is ASC. Tuk seems pretty legit in our conversations. The promo they have currently is insane pricing. But I just don't want a full box of T60 right now.
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How has your experience been with TuK products? I recently made a purchase from them, but I can't find many reports about how the use and results have been.
 
tangoecho311 said:
There's been way too many red flags on SRY and QSC lately for me to feel comfortable ordering from them. People saying their qsc vials have zero identifiers on the boxes and qsc says they're no longer answering questions about what product is in which vial. I also had a bad experience with a really pushy SRY rep. I tried to order from Amo but Alibaba flagged the transaction and I couldn't get any payment type to go through. The only one I'd order from currently is ASC. Tuk seems pretty legit in our conversations. The promo they have currently is insane pricing. But I just don't want a full box of T60 right now.
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I think you just have to keep all purchases below 3-500. It would suck to lose that much buy we would survive. Getting comfortable and putting all eggs in 1 basket will lead to disaster. I cherry pick from different resources but I know my time is coming but I can mitigate the damages. If it feels rushed then I would skip and watch. There is no shortage of buys. Be diligent
 
Sackett said:
I cherry pick from different resources but I know my time is coming but I can mitigate the damages. If it feels rushed then I would skip and watch. There is no shortage of buys. Be diligent
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This is the answer. I'm spreading my risk around. I don't trust ANY of these vendors, no matter how nice they are via email
 
geoguy78 said:
Honestly the writing style didn't seem the same compared to older posts. Supposedly he knew details but I don't know, I'm not convinced that was the real Roach. Regardless, I think the real Roach scammed a lot of people for a lot of money. There was another smaller scale scam on the QSC tg as well a couple weeks ago where a few people sent money for product to a very active participant in the channel and then vanished a few days after getting the money. People need to be more
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sourblush said:
Well the admins haven't disappeared and previous GBs have received product. So hoping I got one of the good ones.
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I hope so too🤞
 
sourblush said:
Well the admins haven't disappeared and previous GBs have received product. So hoping I got one of the good ones.
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I saw a FB flash "gb" today.... that advertised the exact same jano as SRY's promo. Except you would pay $20 more per kit. But these poor people don't know about the promo. The GB person doesn't even tell them the vendor and they don't know enough to ask.
 
See, reading all this makes me nervous to stray from my overpriced US vendors. Well I tried Nexaph for tirz and Reta, didn't get burned. But I want the GB discounts and group testing benefits, eventually I'll have to figure out this discord business.
 
hotdog! said:
See, reading all this makes me nervous to stray from my overpriced US vendors. Well I tried Nexaph for tirz and Reta, didn't get burned. But I want the GB discounts and group testing benefits, eventually I'll have to figure out this discord business.
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I would genuinely like to know why so many people see US vendors as being less risky

To me, neither the US or CN vendors follow any sort of compliance or standards and aren't monitored by any competent authorities either, what makes you think it's safer?

I doubt you can claim that to your bank either if you get scammed, it's not illegal, but it's gray market, banks won't cover that

So, you guys pay more, for what exactly?
 
scarywood75 said:
I would genuinely like to know why so many people see US vendors as being less risky

To me, neither the US or CN vendors follow any sort of compliance or standards and aren't monitored by any competent authorities either, what makes you think it's safer?

I doubt you can claim that to your bank either if you get scammed, it's not illegal, but it's gray market, banks won't cover that

So, you guys pay more, for what exactly?
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Domestic shipping and ass-kissing customer service. And sales people who know how to blow smoke up your ass in a way overseas sales people have yet to master.
 
scarywood75 said:
I would genuinely like to know why so many people see US vendors as being less risky

To me, neither the US or CN vendors follow any sort of compliance or standards and aren't monitored by any competent authorities either, what makes you think it's safer?

I doubt you can claim that to your bank either if you get scammed, it's not illegal, but it's gray market, banks won't cover that

So, you guys pay more, for what exactly?
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Only way I'd pay domestic is if I wanted a single vial to test a more expensive peptide before buying an entire kit from overseas. Even then, if I was ever in that situation, I'd probably still just buy the whole kit as I can't imagine it being that much more expensive. People buy from domestic vendors because of convenience, and because for some reason they are willing to trust domestic vendor's second party tests, yet won't trust a Chinese second party test. I don't get it.
 
glpfun said:
Decades of politicians sowing distrust in China is why
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For real. If I wanted to be a domestic vendor, I could easily cherry pick what I send to Jano, and fudge batch numbers so customers could rest at ease with the "LTEV" designation I got for doing it. This is all a leap of faith, whether you're buying Chinese or Domestic.
 
glpfun said:
Decades of politicians sowing distrust in China is why
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I trust Chinese manufacturers far more than rando Americans trying to get in on the cash grab and learning as they go. China is REALLY REALLY good at manufacturing stuff. By definition Americans making tirz/sema/reta/etc are going to be substandard since they will be the kind of underground operation willing to break IP laws at the very least. In China they don’t regulate that so real operations make it, not bathtub chemists.
 
scarywood75 said:
I would genuinely like to know why so many people see US vendors as being less risky

To me, neither the US or CN vendors follow any sort of compliance or standards and aren't monitored by any competent authorities either, what makes you think it's safer?

I doubt you can claim that to your bank either if you get scammed, it's not illegal, but it's gray market, banks won't cover that

So, you guys pay more, for what exactly?
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Convenience - domestic vendors will take my credit card
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I trust Chinese manufacturers far more than rando Americans trying to get in on the cash grab and learning as they go. China is REALLY REALLY good at manufacturing stuff. By definition Americans making tirz/sema/reta/etc are going to be substandard since they will be the kind of underground operation willing to break IP laws at the very least. In China they don’t regulate that so real operations make it, not bathtub chemists.
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so true, gotta give credits where its due, China is being manufacturing stuff for decades now, they mastered it
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
Domestic shipping and ass-kissing customer service. And sales people who know how to blow smoke up your ass in a way overseas sales people have yet to master.
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Once they figure out the correct translations, your ass is going to be sore from all the kissing and smoke.
 
scarywood75 said:
I've never been called honey by a domestic seller, so I'd say they already won lol
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Oh honey, your brilliance radiates like a thousand suns illuminating the darkest corners of the universe! Every word you grace us with is a symphony of wisdom and wit, a dazzling display that leaves us all in awe. If genius were a drop of water, you'd be the entire ocean! Truly, the forum is but a humble stage for your unparalleled grandeur!
 
exploitedworkerbee said:
I trust Chinese manufacturers far more than rando Americans trying to get in on the cash grab and learning as they go. China is REALLY REALLY good at manufacturing stuff. By definition Americans making tirz/sema/reta/etc are going to be substandard since they will be the kind of underground operation willing to break IP laws at the very least. In China they don’t regulate that so real operations make it, not bathtub chemists.
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While I do agree that raw manufacturers in China are probably (definitely) better at it than US manufacturers doing UG production. The way you phrase it makes it seem like a blanket statement for all CN manufacturers?

Not all production in China happens in high end facilities with product quality and safety as the top priority.

It is also not a complete free for all domestically in China.
 
Bacchus said:
While I do agree that raw manufacturers in China are probably (definitely) better at it than US manufacturers doing UG production. The way you phrase it makes it seem like a blanket statement for all CN manufacturers?

Not all production in China happens in high end facilities with product quality and safety as the top priority.

It is also not a complete free for all domestically in China.
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I’ll clarify: I do not think that every Chinese operation is terrific and worthy of access to my subcutaneous fat, but they do exist. Meanwhile zero American operations that claim to do anything other than resell are getting in there.
 
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