moonpies4misfits
Advanced Researcher
Just wait till theres a good sale and buy directly from the vendor. It's not hard to find a group of people also buying from the same sale to coordinate a group test with.
GROUP BUY CAUTION!!!
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SassyPants
Established Member
Many will but you have to ask. ( This has been my experience in the past, anyway. )
I haven’t seen any, unless you want to go through PayPal, Alibaba, or some other third party. I’ve looked mainly at QSC and a couple of others that are mentioned favorably in this forum. But if you say there are multitudes of Chinese vendors willing to take credit card, I’ll keep looking.
scarywood75
Scarlett Johansson
I mean, when you pay with your credit card, it always goes to a third party, unless you are Amazon or something, even if it's third party, what's the issue ?
If you insist on paying directly from the vendor with a credit card and not on a third party marketplace then yes, you will not be buying overseas peptides (or almost anything from overseas), no need to continue your search.
You might get lucky and find an American pretending to be Chinese who will take your credit card, I can direct you to one I know of if that would meet the need.
I get everyone's point about the relative ease of ordering from CN and I may eventually pull the trigger. But I am definitely not as adventurous as most people when it comes to financial transactions (I use credit cards exclusively) and social media stuff (basically reddit + peptide forums). I tend to stay off the grid as much as I can. But I do enjoy my peptides, so I have had to come out of my shell a little bit this year. I appreciate that people are willing to share their vendor experiences. It will definitely help when if I decide to go that route.
GtownBrown
Established Member
I am out here trying not to get scammed, but it’s hard to know what you don’t know.
Welcome to the black market (people like to call it grey, but I find that to be a coping thing for those who doesn't want to buy in the black market).
To be honest, if you read around a bit. You will notice a handful of vendors that are very likely to deliver what you pay for - though the process can be a bit uncomfortable 🙂
People just don't want to point you directly to one, because we can not give any guarantees - and don't want the responsibility of you getting done over somehow.
Then there are group buys, I don't know too much about them and I never will since it's not interesting to me. But basically, it's the same thing but with an extra link/buffer depending on how you look at it.
If the one doing the group buy has a good connection, you are sure to get the products, and they will be purity tested, for what that's worth. Or he's just skimming of the top in between and ordering from the cheapest source he can find.
So again, you need to find someone who has been around for a while and has decent feedback/reviews.
And if you don't want to sacrifice that time, then you either take or more risk or pay more
I placed an order for several items with QSC on the last group. Sent the order email, asked for Bitcoin address, sent BC, they asked for confirmation #, sent that, got reply Ret was out of stock, asked for options, QSC replied Ret 15mg, I said OK, they replied BPC was out of stock. Now what?? Their replies take 24 hours and are in the middle of the night. Every time one issue is getting resolved another issue pops up. Now I'm not getting anything and they have my BC. All the while BC is going through the roof. I'm starting to feel like they've got my money and I'm getting nothing. How are they keeping track of money and orders?
zpped
Advanced Researcher
At this point my sympathy for tracy problems are nil. It's plastered everywhere that when something goes wrong you're going to be unhappy with the process and resolution. You'll get something eventually or just ask for your bc back.
You can always tag him in this forum. You get your issue resolved, we get free entertainment if you messed up somehow by accident.
geoguy78
Advanced Researcher
Why are you paying with BTC? Way too volatile, anyone not using a stablecoin for these kind of purchases is crazy imo
Doxyisfoxy
New Member
I am in a similar boat to tul9033 with QSC except I didn’t send the BTC because (I learned) there is a long holding period after you buy BTC before you can send it. So it understandably went out of stock while waiting. I chose BTC because that is what they asked for but I noticed the volatility too. Can I ask what coin you use? And what app lets you send to China? I tried using PayPal crypto first for convenience but the wallet address came up “not available in my area” so I moved to Coinbase but never got to see if it would let me send to the wallet address.
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
Use a stable coin.. either USDC or USDT (on Solana network for low transfer fees)... I have a small preference for USDC but the "advantages" are minimal and only relevant if you are using Coinbase at all..
PS.. not available in your area sounds like you may be in NY? that state is something else when it comes to crypto
Doxyisfoxy
New Member
Not NY but New England so that may be true. I’m not aware of my state being particularly robust in crypto laws but then again, this is my first foray. I assumed it was a USA to China thing but my ignorance of what kind of details are shared with just a wallet address made me unsure. I assumed that the owner’s identity was mostly anonymous and that was the beauty of crypto. QSC did not list USDC or USDT as payment type options so maybe I will just have to go with a different vendor in the future.
stephaniemeador
New Member
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
QSC takes both USDT and USDC and those are listed on the price list as payment options.. they *could* be a bit more verbose about it though (ie list which networks can be used etc).
@tul9033 either Coinbase exchange to Coinbase Wallet route or PayPal to Exodus route.. both are fine and both should work.. I can't speak to all the challenges that NY residents encounter but I have seen posts that claim it's doable and not that bad in the end...
@tul9033 either Coinbase exchange to Coinbase Wallet route or PayPal to Exodus route.. both are fine and both should work.. I can't speak to all the challenges that NY residents encounter but I have seen posts that claim it's doable and not that bad in the end...
Doxyisfoxy
New Member
You are correct. After more carefully reviewing the email they sent me, it turns out I can’t read 🙃
Not in NY and I have an Exodus wallet. Thanks!
geoguy78
Advanced Researcher
I use Coinbase with Coinbase Wallet, and USDC via Ethereum network. But a lot of people like Solana network because the fees are lower. Don't send payment directly from Paypal or Cashapp, it can get your account flagged. Best to buy the crypto, send it to your wallet, then send the payment from your wallet. There are some good tutorials out there on how to buy peps with crypto
Doxyisfoxy
New Member
Thank you for the tips! I will look around!
nonyabizznez
Advanced Researcher
If you are using Coinbase be careful of network selection. Their proprietary (default) network for USDC is "base" which is not acceptable to QSC. You will send $ into a black hole. (Like I did, unrecoverable)
USDT (Tether) sent ETH-20 (Ethernet) stable, cheap and acceptable. Don't know much about Crapto but I lost more in the time it took (minutes, Bitcoin) than the cost of the kit. Cancelled my kit order (since I didn't have enough coin, basically emptied my cart) and sat on the Bitcoin for a couple weeks while it recovered to cash out.
Doxyisfoxy
New Member
Thank you for the tip about the network! I was 100% assuming that base is standard - hence the name Coinbase 🤦🏻♀️. The only things stopping me from sending literally hundreds of dollars into the void at this point are technical issues and my own poor planning, it seems.
I’ve spent the better part of the afternoon looking into this “not available in your region” thing with PayPal and it turns out PayPal just hates letting people send crypto to external wallets, go figure. It’s a known issue. I thought it was that I was trying to send it to China but even when I got my own Coinbase wallet it wouldn’t transfer there either. So at least that part wasn’t my fault. I’ll probably end up doing what you did, wait until it appreciates, sell it (pay paypal fees again, curse them), and move the money to Coinbase through my bank.
I’ve had issues with sending crypto in PayPal and ended up buying PayPal usd on Venmo and was able to send to my exodus wallet
How did you swap from PYUSD to Sol/ETH on Exodus? I had to send the PYUSD back to PP, swap in PP, then send to Exodus.
Be curious your method…
I’ve had issues with sending cryptoin PayPal and ended up buying PayPal usd on Venmo and was able to send to my exodus wallet
I sent it to my PYUSD address on Solana. Then use Jupiter to swap to USDT Sol or USDC Sol.
I follow, the key is SOL and using Jupiter. I bought PYUSD ETH and could t use Jupiter.
Appreciate the response!
nonyabizznez
Advanced Researcher
Glad you caught it! Coinbase's "recovery tool" doesn't work either once you've transferred it to a wallet (at least in my $375 loss).
I looked at the destination blockchain of successful unrecoverable transfers from people who made the same mistake. Thousands of dollars! I suspect if QSC ever decides to cease operations someone will figure a way to accept "base" long enough to grab the cash.
You would think a "successful" transaction (as the Blockchain indicates) replete with Transaction Hash is good enough. Kind of like you finding a delivery at your door and not knowing if it traveled via plane, truck or horse... Not so with Crapto.
The good news is 3 kits for what 1 cost a bit ago so even adding the $375 to my total it was still a good deal. I said it here "No More Crapto" then the $95/ T15 deal a few days ago... Back to Coinbase I went 😂
Doxyisfoxy
New Member
I really wanted that deal too 😭 that’s what started all this
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
@tul9033 probably the easiest would be to just fund it through PayPal (get some PYUSD through PayPal and then swap into USDT or USDC via Jupiter).. I recommend Solana network, as mentioned earlier. Ferel free to DM me if you hit roadblocks
To add more context to this in case OP or others read this... If buying PYUSD in PP, you can convert the PYUSD in the PP wallet directly to ETH or SOL. Then you transfer to a third party wallet. Once in the external wallet, you can convert it to the coin of choice before sending to the vendor. Do not send any type of coin from PP to a vendor, PP will block your account for suspicious activity.
EDIT: I added an additional step which may or may not be needed.
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Thanks guys, I was just looking at PayPal last night and wondering how to get USDT/USDC from PP. You guys have given the extra steps needed. Thanks for the info, I'm going to do a trial run this week.
I edited my above post to add an extra step...
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
You convert PYUSD to USDC via Jupiter. While you could convert to one of the currencies (SOL etc) I'd rather pick a stablecoin to avoid unnecessary risk w/ fluctuations.
I've asked for my bitcoin back and its stall, stall, stall. Still haven't gotten it back. Every time I ask about it they come back next day with "would you like xxx instead?" I say REFUND. A few more days go by I ask again, next day "how about xxx" reply REFUND, still nothing. Lesson learned, if I ever order from QSC again place the order on the first day of GB, pay immediately with order and send confirmation. That *might* reduce order complications.
zpped
Advanced Researcher
I guess that is one way to interpret that lesson... I just chose to never buy from them again. There is no shortage of other options.
Update! I got my refund a few minutes ago. Only short 3000 SOLS. I can put this one behind me.
nonyabizznez
Advanced Researcher
3000? Today Solana $240.16? That's like quarter past half til million dollars?? I'm confused.
That's on me, it was sats.
nonyabizznez
Advanced Researcher
Still a big chunk of change... Why didn't you get a full refund?
Yesterday I joined Coinbase to pay QSC (TUSD-ERC20). I was terrified but it worked out but I am still confused. I transferred some USD to coinbase then to my USDC wallet. I saw comments above about not transferring from base. I started a transfer to QSC and it said base network, so I made it for $1 USDC. No fee. I told QSC I sent a $1 USDC test. I spent a while figuring out how to create a USDC wallet on etherium. I transferred all the money into that wallet paying etherium fees. Then QSC said they received the $1 test. So I transferred the rest via the etherium network paying another fee. It seems like I could have used base and not paid any fees. I am not sure though. Maybe they saw someone else's $1 USDC test.
zpped
Advanced Researcher
I think you're talking about sending from your wallet that is in coinbase? in that case the recommendation is usually because every once and a while qsc's wallet gets tagged and then your coinbase account will get locked for sending to an illegal wallet.
I transferred cash from bank to Coinbase exchange then to self-custody "Coinbase Wallet" and was able to transfer USDC via base network to QSC (TUSD-ERC20). No fees at any stage. Your warning had me scared but is incorrect. Your transaction seems to have been blocked because you used the exchange to transfer instead of a self-custody wallet, not because of the base network.
Sorry I actually purchased from QST not QSC. So I don't know if self-custody wallet on base network to QSC works
Jailbreak7
Research Enthusiast
May I recommend you slow down a bit.. I'm just concerned you're on your way to lose money by getting these networks confused. Glad it worked out this time... PS. In general, fees are lower on Solana (than Ethereum network/ERC20) and many vendors do not accept Base network.. which is why you keep hearing us recommend Solana network
Less than $3 which I'm OK with. I sent on the 4th and that $300 is now worth over $400. The less communication with QSC the better at this point.
nonyabizznez
Advanced Researcher
You have given instructions on how to lose money through the Base Network. QSC does not receive/recover funds sent through the black hole of Base Network, Period.
Instead of "whoopsie, my bad" in a later post you should fix it.
From QSC
QSC Payments:
Payment methods:
QSC accepts Bank transfer (USD domestic, EUR domestic, AUD domestic) and International transfers in several other currencies.
If you send a bank transfer, put your "name" as reference.
If you put "QSC", or mention the purchase of products, or something else beside your name, your transfer will be rejected.
QSC also accepts cryptocurrencies: Bitcoin, USDT, USDC, ETH.
Many networks are accepted: ERC20, TRC20, Solana, Avalanche, OKTC, Polygon.
We do not accept: Base, LTC, XMR, Paypal, CC... So no need to ask for them.
This information is not on their more frequently posted promos. The mistake I made was jumping the gun and paying them promptly (which is also important because promos sell out quickly). There are thousands of dollars in the Blockchain intended for QSC just sitting there, unrecoverable because people used Base instead of Eth.
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nonyabizznez
Advanced Researcher
Oh Wow! That's great! Google gave me the wrong SAT value (probably confusing it with a test score) 🤣
