I'm deceased.
You are quite possibly one of the funniest dudes I've encountered on a forum in a long time, and I'm a GenXer so that's really saying something.
Come 1/1/25, I'm posting an Oyster appreciation thread.
I'm going to shoot for losing 100 pounds in 6 months
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chmuse
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On top of everything else, mind you. That's hardly brave, that's reckless. I hope he has good health insurance.
To be fair, I have been on a higher dosage consistently for a couple years.
The dosage isn't really the issue, but the circumstance and jumping to that dose without any testing (practical or medical).
Tbh, I'm a big fan of Oyster too. And I'm rather confident he makes his antics seem more reckless than they are on purpose
He's a fun little troll.
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
my threads are the most interesting here. That's not saying much as most here are post after post of "why have i not got my tracking number yet?" My pucks aren't intact. What if my shit gets opened in customs. Oh, oh i'm worried about this, i'm nervous about that.
blow my brains out.
chmuse
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Oops.
Sleeve gastrectomy
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
4 bottles deso
5 bottles neobella
5 bottles mccm
5 bottles skinderma
1 bottle lipo lax
1 bottle lemon bottle original
3 bottles lemon bottle copy
25 bottles lipo lab
injected shit yea!
Pr0digalSun
New Member
Hey I just wanted to jump in here (late) and say a couple things:
Been on TRT for almost 20 years, added HCG this last year for testicular atrophy. It works really well. I take 100mg/1500IU per week of TestC/HCG
I started doing subQ shots this year and splitting my weekly dose into EOD shots, bc it’s easier for me to remember than 2x per week. I use a 1cc luerLock syringe with a 25ga needle to draw and then switch it to a 31G to inject. I rotate injection sites typically up and down my thighs or delts bc it’s completely painless and doesn’t even bleed with a 31g needle
There’s no reason to inject every 8 hours. Test usually takes an about weeks before you notice. HCG works faster, not being in a slow release oil like test. SubQ shots hurt way less than IM and cause less scarring. Also, because the shot is injected into subcutaneous fat, it is more slowly absorbed which reduces the amount of aromatase that occurs, which is the process where it turns into DHT and estrogen.
DHT is way more anabolic than test, but does react with the prostate and the hair cells on your head if you have the genes for pattern baldness. Dutastwride or Finasteride will reduce DHT but can reduce your sex drive and reduce the anabolic effects of T.
High Estrogen levels caused by excess Test have benefits in men, as long as the ratio of free test to estrogen is 10:1. There’s no need to start on an aromatase inhibitor (like arimidex/anastrazole) unless you experience side effects from the E2 (moodiness, loss of libido, sensitive nipples), or if your ratio is off
It’s very important to get labs and know your levels if you want the benefits of test. Also you can’t just stop and start taking testosterone: just one shot of 50mg of T will make your testicles stop producing natural testosterone for about a month, but the 50mg isn’t enough to replace the amount that would be produced: so in other words doing one shot of T here and there will cause your level to be lower than never doing any
Been on TRT for almost 20 years, added HCG this last year for testicular atrophy. It works really well. I take 100mg/1500IU per week of TestC/HCG
I started doing subQ shots this year and splitting my weekly dose into EOD shots, bc it’s easier for me to remember than 2x per week. I use a 1cc luerLock syringe with a 25ga needle to draw and then switch it to a 31G to inject. I rotate injection sites typically up and down my thighs or delts bc it’s completely painless and doesn’t even bleed with a 31g needle
There’s no reason to inject every 8 hours. Test usually takes an about weeks before you notice. HCG works faster, not being in a slow release oil like test. SubQ shots hurt way less than IM and cause less scarring. Also, because the shot is injected into subcutaneous fat, it is more slowly absorbed which reduces the amount of aromatase that occurs, which is the process where it turns into DHT and estrogen.
DHT is way more anabolic than test, but does react with the prostate and the hair cells on your head if you have the genes for pattern baldness. Dutastwride or Finasteride will reduce DHT but can reduce your sex drive and reduce the anabolic effects of T.
High Estrogen levels caused by excess Test have benefits in men, as long as the ratio of free test to estrogen is 10:1. There’s no need to start on an aromatase inhibitor (like arimidex/anastrazole) unless you experience side effects from the E2 (moodiness, loss of libido, sensitive nipples), or if your ratio is off
It’s very important to get labs and know your levels if you want the benefits of test. Also you can’t just stop and start taking testosterone: just one shot of 50mg of T will make your testicles stop producing natural testosterone for about a month, but the 50mg isn’t enough to replace the amount that would be produced: so in other words doing one shot of T here and there will cause your level to be lower than never doing any
penewbie
Advanced Researcher
Can't believe I missed this thread.
It's gold, Jerry!
Gotta save it and enjoy it in increments and moderation.
It's gold, Jerry!
Gotta save it and enjoy it in increments and moderation.
I'm sorry, but this is too flawed for me to not comment - I don't mean to be a dick, but this simply isn't factual at all.
Sure, you have been on trt for 20 years, and have data of ONE test subject. So considering that as experience is a bit of a fallacy.
subQ injections leading to less aromatization due to slower absorption is an oversimplification.
And there are plenty of factors that are a lot more significant. Injecting daily for practical reasons is perfectly fine, but it wouldn't make a significant difference compared to every 3 days - unless it's a short ester - but judging from your usual 2x week I'm guessing it's E or C, maybe sust even though it's not commonly used for trt since it's not all that practical.
One injection of 50mg will NOT stop your natural production for a month as you suggest. Nor will it lower your baseline levels (typically). Though that one injection would be completely pointless.
The optimal injection frequency depends on both the individual and on the ester. But at a trt dosage the difference in spikes will be negligible for most individuals that are suitable for trt.
There is no universally agreed upon ideal ratio of testosterone : estrogen, though 10:1 is often used as a standard- It's very individual. And can change significantly based on the dosage administered (even if the ratio can seem manageable, total estrogen levels are a factor), the reason for taking testosterone will also determine what levels you might want to tolerate (non medicinal use).
When it comes to AIs, dutasteride, and finasteride:
It's best to leave it to the professionals. The relationship between testosterone, estrogen (aromatase), and DHT (5-alpha reduction) is quite complicated and also involves intricate feedback mechanisms that regulate hormone levels. Key organs such as the testes, adrenal glands, and hypothalamus play crucial roles in this interplay, along with other hormones like luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), and gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). Changes in testosterone levels can affect estrogen production through aromatization, while elevated DHT influences feedback on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, ultimately dictating how these hormones interact.
But I mean, sure - Most bodybuilders just much some AIs when their titties start feeling sensitive 🙂
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Pr0digalSun
New Member
Yeah it’s just my experience, backed up with tons of research and using good doctors, and a BS in chem with focus on pharmacology.
What I said are guidelines, for someone using test without a dr or without labs which is counterproductive and a bad idea. I was responding to him saying his that he was injecting test c every 8 hours, and to the statement that he didn’t feel it after one shot. And that he’s determining his dosage by how he feels, which is not a good way to use testosterone. And also to somebody else’s statement that you needed to use fat needles for test c injections which is wrong. And to the statement someone else made that he should start AI’s when he starts test, which is a myth.
And absolutely I’m not saying to do any of this without a Dr (which is what he’s doing). My TRT is prescribed by an endocrinology focused urologist at NYU.
Also to subQ does result in lower E2. Here’s two studies:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And lastly, this article states that just 50mg drastically reduces spermatozoa and endogenous testosterone production. 50mg reduces FSH and LH production by the pituitary by over 50%. So doing a single shot of testosterone is pointless and counterproductive
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This study says as little as 20mg exogenous testosterone will cause a regression of pituitary function of up to 33%
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
In fact people who want to get test prescribed will sometimes do a 100mg shot, wait 3 weeks to do their labs and then say “see Dr I don’t have any T”
What I said are guidelines, for someone using test without a dr or without labs which is counterproductive and a bad idea. I was responding to him saying his that he was injecting test c every 8 hours, and to the statement that he didn’t feel it after one shot. And that he’s determining his dosage by how he feels, which is not a good way to use testosterone. And also to somebody else’s statement that you needed to use fat needles for test c injections which is wrong. And to the statement someone else made that he should start AI’s when he starts test, which is a myth.
And absolutely I’m not saying to do any of this without a Dr (which is what he’s doing). My TRT is prescribed by an endocrinology focused urologist at NYU.
Also to subQ does result in lower E2. Here’s two studies:
Testosterone Therapy With Subcutaneous Injections: A Safe, Practical, and Reasonable Option - PMC
Injections with intramuscular (IM) testosterone esters have been available for almost 8 decades and not only result in predictable serum testosterone levels but are also the most inexpensive modality. However, they are difficult to self-administer ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And lastly, this article states that just 50mg drastically reduces spermatozoa and endogenous testosterone production. 50mg reduces FSH and LH production by the pituitary by over 50%. So doing a single shot of testosterone is pointless and counterproductive
Effects of chronic testosterone administration in normal men: safety and efficacy of high dosage testosterone and parallel dose-dependent suppression of luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and sperm production - PubMed
In normal men, chronic testosterone (T) administration results in negative feedback suppression of gonadotropin and sperm production. However, azoospermia is achieved in only 50-70% of men treated with high dosages of T. Furthermore, the relative sensitivity of LH and FSH secretion to chronic...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This study says as little as 20mg exogenous testosterone will cause a regression of pituitary function of up to 33%
Exogenous testosterone: a preventable cause of male infertility - PMC
Testosterone replacement therapy inhibits spermatogenesis, representing a problem for hypogonadal men of reproductive age. A literature review of PubMed from 1990-2013. Semen analysis and pregnancy outcomes, time to recovery of spermatogenesis, ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
In fact people who want to get test prescribed will sometimes do a 100mg shot, wait 3 weeks to do their labs and then say “see Dr I don’t have any T”
Pr0digalSun
New Member
Oh and this:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Total Testosterone to Estradiol Ratio as a Predictor Marker of Metabolic Syndrome in Males - PMC
Nowadays, metabolic syndrome (MetS) represents a global health challenge in developed and developing countries. The sex hormones disorders in males are related to many clinical co-morbidities. This study aimed to evaluate the total testosterone (TT) ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Pr0digalSun
New Member
I think we are mostly agreeing, my point was to try and say using T without a doc or labs is a bad idea if he values his sexual health, and if his overall goals are healthy overall.
That may not have been OP’s goals he may not care about his sexual health at all but tbh that’s my main reason for using test, as replacement.
But TRT and cycling anabolics are two very different protocols with very different risks and rewards
To be fair, I think i agree that we mostly agree when I look it over.
I think I just got hung up in a couple minor details and answered in a way that was uncalled for 🙂
The main one probably being about shutdown - Since it's unlikely to flat out stop production.
The sentiment that it's pointless is entirely accurate though.
--- My issue with the statement, is that when phrased like that it becomes one of those typical "anti-drug" arguments that hold no water and make young people more likely to try because the information source saying it's super bad is not being objectively honest.
- Which honestly is completely unrelated to your point and a personal thing for me.
Other than that, my other comments are more or less technicalities because i got annoyed by the way the shut down statement was phrased and decided to pick on details.
Been a long day...
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As for Oyster, he loves attention and he will keep being reckless no matter what you say (But honestly, it's not as reckless at it might seem in my opinion - he does like the attention part).
I did say that he could chomp down a couple AIs when he said he was experiencing quite bad bloating - As he already said he was not going to take another injection, I don't consider that something that would cause significant harm, but might reduce the potential bloating if he already feels bad a couple days after injecting test C.
But that might be a slightly silly way of thinking since it's based of my own AI use being largely based off feeling (Which sounds very bad, but it actually works quite well after extensive experience - But i do test and don't rely blindly on it).
The fat needles are debatable though. Bayer has insanely thick oil for example, pushing that through a 31g is not easy - if it's a 3ml or larger syringe you can forget about it 🙂 Though, it might be easier to push it out subQ than IM - I never tried that.
The goal for oyster as far as I understand having followed the guy for some time - Is to conserve muscle, build some maybe and lose fat. So I'd argue that any dose under 300mg a week would be insufficient (depending on how impatient you are obviously).
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To sum it up:
I do apologize for being a hothead for no reason, a good reminder to ask my better half if my mood is stable lately, since I'm doing a short tren cycle (low dose, but the stuff is rather nasty).
Let's just agree that playing around with steroids isn't something you should do without extensive knowledge, doing blood panels and preferably working with an endocrinologist
Pr0digalSun
New Member
Hehe omg I’ve done a tren cycle before I know what u mean. Trent-winny-testc doing 750 a wk t, I got down to 9% BF tho
I’m also sorry I wasn’t trying to be know-it-all-y, I just feel like taking a single big shot of Test is a waste of T and will make u feel good n horny for a week but has zero other lasting benefits
I wish I had known more about managing my E and using HCG a long time ago.
I did the lab trick where I did some test waited a few weeks, did labs, and finally got a script for 200mg test c a week and used it like that for about 7 yrs without doing labs without managing my e2 or LH/FSH and it kind of fucked me up. I swear my left nut is permanently hiding behind his bigger brother or hiding at times when he should be out hanging enjoying himself
I finally went to a good urologist which I recommend any man in ur 40’s do. And get ur junk looked at and tell them everything
Preach, I had to spend a silly sum on laser treatments to fix my back that looked like it had been double barreled by a shotgun (high dose Tren E and trying to fix acne with sunburns) - Stupidity of youth.
I would bitch slap my 15 year younger self back to the stone age for the level of stupidity if I could 🙂
Pr0digalSun
New Member
Yeah and I agree
You know what’s crazy: is that now in NY state, HCG is a schedule II controlled substance, the same as cocaine, fentanyl, oxycodone and meth.
I have to get it from a specialty endocrinology pharmacy associated with NYU Hospital
I thought oyster was just doing it once and didn’t realize it was
also I was wrong I use 30g, and yeah its almost impossible to push with a 3cc syringe. And it has to be a luer lock 1cc or that shit will pop right off. If you’re doing a cycle that wouldn’t work, but I’m just doing TRT so I just do .28ml test c EOD. Which is 200/wk. since I started doing subQ vs once a week IM shots, and added the hcg, my levels went way higher. Probably the hcg. If you’re doing cycle volumes of oils it’s got be IM or it would take forever to push. I think when I did test c with tren e I used 5cc syringes and 22g for a big ole IM
You know what’s crazy: is that now in NY state, HCG is a schedule II controlled substance, the same as cocaine, fentanyl, oxycodone and meth.
I have to get it from a specialty endocrinology pharmacy associated with NYU Hospital
I thought oyster was just doing it once and didn’t realize it was
Oh man you're in for a treat if you read up on Oyster, he should have his own reality show 😉
Yeeeah, those classifications... I can not say I agree - at all 😀
penewbie
Advanced Researcher
Just finished the first 10 pages of this thread.
I need a cigarette.
I need a cigarette.
A pack of cigarettes*
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
i didn't lose 1 pound this month still 214. so the goal is definitely in the shit can.
I'm speechless. Absolutely no one saw this coming.
maybe you gain some muscle mass?
zpped
Advanced Researcher
unlikely with only doing situps, and not eating much protein.
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
where, between my ears?
you eat more or still just the 800kcal?
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
i was definitely 1200 or less most of this month. TRT stuff makes you retain water like a sponge. I did one week of it ( a significant overdose) then stopped and it's taken a long time to reverse.
so don't do that if you're trying to lose weight.
TRT is becoming quite popular in the Boston area. Lots of spas popping up and ads all over the radio.
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oyster its just a water, no need to be afraid of that, it will go away after 2-3 weeks
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
so somebody asked so i'll update. i've been stalled at the same weight for almost 3 months.
I think a lack of focus, exercise, and jumping around to various peptides is a problem. i also think a body creates hard stops at certain weight levels that need extra effort to break thru. like breaking the sound barrier.
i'll keep thinking about it and create a new strategy for next year. I look so much better than i did before i started so i'm still very happy. i went from 3xl t shirt to xl and have a relatively flat stomach.
i did some stupid stuff that set me back and i'm still recovering from it. surprise surprise.
I think a lack of focus, exercise, and jumping around to various peptides is a problem. i also think a body creates hard stops at certain weight levels that need extra effort to break thru. like breaking the sound barrier.
i'll keep thinking about it and create a new strategy for next year. I look so much better than i did before i started so i'm still very happy. i went from 3xl t shirt to xl and have a relatively flat stomach.
i did some stupid stuff that set me back and i'm still recovering from it. surprise surprise.
TRT is actually really good for weight loss, water weight doesn’t matter (and was caused by high e2 anyways), just have to give it more time. A single large dose isn’t going to mess you up like you’re suggesting.
endocrinenews.endocrine.org
bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com
The Long Haul: Treating Men with Obesity with Testosterone - Endocrine News
A study presented at ENDO 2019 shows that long-term testosterone therapy in men with obesity and hypogonadism can actually contribute to prolonged weight loss without an added risk for mortality or major cardiovascular incidents. As obesity rates around the world continue to climb – the number...
endocrinenews.endocrine.org
Effects of testosterone treatment on body fat and lean mass in obese men on a hypocaloric diet: a randomised controlled trial - BMC Medicine
Background Whether testosterone treatment has benefits on body composition over and above caloric restriction in men is unknown. We hypothesised that testosterone treatment augments diet-induced loss of fat mass and prevents loss of muscle mass. Methods We conducted a randomised double-blind...
bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com
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raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
to be completely transparent the stupid thing i did was trying to create my own lemon bottle formula which turned out way too strong and burned by skin from the inside. also created a pea sized hole in my stomach which is going to take some time to heal over.
zpped
Advanced Researcher
Respect for posting about it.
What was in the drink? I make a lot of hot sauce at home that causes GI problems with my wife
Sunflower
Research Enthusiast
Have you checked out the DIYaesthetics subreddit? They discuss injectable fat burners. If you can source Kybella or better yet, find a medspa in your area, it’s the only one with much evidence to dissolve small pockets of fat.
Chizikitide-1977
Research Enthusiast
Not sure if your joking, but if not, lemon bottle is a bootleg fat melting injection, not a drink.
Yeah I know he was researching injectable fat burners. Thought he was drinking something to ….. hole in stomach was thinking ulcer. Unless he meant a hole in abdomen ….
Chizikitide-1977
Research Enthusiast
Yeah, not sure.
Oyster, it would be great to hear more about this if you're comfortable sharing.
If only someone had warned you not to do stupid shit...
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
i mixed one caplet 500mg of bromelain with 10ml distilled water. injected 1ml at each of 4 sites grouped within a few inches. the bromalin created a massive amount of swelling and burned the back side of my stomach skin. at one injection site, it removed the fat and skin creating a pea sized hole in the skin. this supplement is OTC at any vitamin store and meant to be ingested 2 caplets at a time. i don't understand why it doesn't burn the stomach and intestines the same way. this is a natural substance in fresh pineapple juice. i've seen fresh pineapple juice reduce ham to mush if left on too long. it is a powerful protein digester. but this is the main ingredient in lemon bottle. i just created a solution that was way too strong.
maybe a chemistry person can explain what happened.
but yes, Dee i admit on the other forum i'm an arrogant prick that thinks he's smarter than everyone. and i got burned because of it and got off easy this time.
maybe a chemistry person can explain what happened.
but yes, Dee i admit on the other forum i'm an arrogant prick that thinks he's smarter than everyone. and i got burned because of it and got off easy this time.
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penewbie
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I'm guessing Bromelin is inactivated by the strong acidic environment of the stomach, or by the proteases that the stomach secretes, or a combination of both.
Let this be a lesson to you that not everything edible is injectable, and vice versa.
chmuse
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But we're learning so much!
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
the profit margin on Lemon Bottle must be insane. I'm thinking 5 cents worth of chemicals in one vial and they're getting as much as $50 per vial for this stuff. the vial itself is the most expensive component. Oh and the fancy box it comes in.
really any fat melter same situation. I'm able to get Lipo Lab for under $5 vial. i think that is reasonable.
really any fat melter same situation. I'm able to get Lipo Lab for under $5 vial. i think that is reasonable.
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Glp1judd
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Yeah but you gotta put some price on the whole “doesn’t make a hole in your stomach “ thing.
Bromelain is an enzyme that is broke down rapidly by the stomach acid when ingesting it. Makes it safe to eat.Pineapple does cause the roof of mouth to get irritated though……..
Glad you’ve found success and are happy with your progress despite a few bumps in the road. I’m genuinely happy for you and am looking forward to that next update!
raw_oyster_eater
lemon bottle brewer
so i'm trying to come up with a fall back date after the failure.
i'm thinking july 1.
i'm thinking july 1.
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The hole will heal. The main thing is you want to avoid overpaying.
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