Agreed. Even if the benefits are marginal.
In my eyes, it just makes PTDS staff lose credibility. Never been on their server, and no plans to be either.
We're Bashing SRY this time.
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Agreed. Even if the benefits are marginal.
In my eyes, it just makes PTDS staff lose credibility. Never been on their server, and no plans to be either.
My retraction only extends to my endorsement of the “trusted community member.” I was mistaken about who was the source of the allegation. The guy who it turned out to be is not someone I know, so I can’t speak to the veracity of the claim as confidently as I had initially done. Maybe it’s true, maybe not, my entire position was based on the credibility of the source which in my mind is no longer a sure thing.
Being honest here, not being on PTDS says much more about you than it does about them. Their reputation precedes them for very good, well-earned reasons.
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I feel like you're intentionally misconstruing my point and being a little obstinate here. I'm not saying he's a person of high moral character, I'm saying that even the most psychopathic people you can imagine also sometimes tell the truth. Even a pathological liar doesn't lie about everything.
As much as this guy does not seem great, he could also be telling the truth. We don't have enough information to really understand what went on so that's my current stance: I don't know.
I will say that the fact PDTS seems to find his claims credible is enough to give me pause.
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Yes, it’s possible that Charles Manson might tell the truth. But I’m not inclined to believe such a person without corroboration. I note that the mods at Peppys have said they don’t believe the guy. Can I definitively prove that SRY didn’t do what they’re accused of by some idiot? No, but I also can’t disprove the existence of leprechauns.
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I don't think this guy is Manson, but it absolutely makes sense that you'd want more evidence to corroborate his claims. Unfortunately we're not getting that, especially given how hostile some people have been and the inherently sensitive nature of this issue. That doesn't mean he's lying, it just means we can't prove he's telling the truth. All I'm saying is that there is a huge difference between those two things. This is a textbook case of he said/she said.
One mod over at Peppy's has cleared SRY and it was a controversial decision that does not appear to be unanimous. Given that the person making the accusations had privacy concerns and would not share details with the Peppy's mod but did share them with PDTS, I am inclined to give more weight to the conclusions of PDTS. It's not enough for me to say I 100% believe this person, but it is enough for me to say I'm not sure.
Why has no one asked Alan to release the entire conversation? Couldn't he fork that over and clear some things up for us?
If it helps, I also found a very clear explanation of what happened when he was being more level headed and it seems plausible. Certainly not something that should be outright dismissed:
"It is not the same. Their defense of this is bullshit. Saying “he was never a customer”. I’m currently holding a bottle of their Anavar, a kit of tirz 30, a kit of igf des. I ordered from them because SSA was out of igf at the time. I still have all the screenshots of my convos with them when I ordered. So lie number 1 dismissed.
Alan communicated with me that he was sending igf for testing, and sent pictures of it being packed. 2 months later, no test results. He refused to answer about it, so I pressed him on it. He messaged me asking me to stop, I told him no release the results, good or bad.
I see on my informed delivery that I’m receiving an international pack (this is about a week later). I had no pending orders with anyone at the time, and I have messages with a group of friends on discord from that time to prove this as well. A few days later, I receive a letter from customs. They seized “1 box of steroids”. It was declared as such. This is right after Alan was begging me to stop ragging on his company.
Now, ask yourself who would have the want and who would gain something from making this up? What do I have to gain? Another hot pack?
Fast forward to now, after stating somewhere on discord that I had moved, Alan starts messaging me again. This time he is offering “free tirz”. Calling me a coward for not giving him my new address."
raw_oyster_eater
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i really don't give a damn if he is telling the truth. all these accusations against vendors are getting tiring and i'm going to ignore them.
noteablequotable
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Okay. That's your prerogative. I feel like you keep waiting for someone to yell at you or call you a bad person for it but no one's going to do that. You have a right to do exactly what you're doing now. I sincerely hope it works out and you stay safe <3
Putting your faith in fallible humans is your mistake then. This is why I thought that EWB was damaging his own credibility by vouching for Gibs. Especially after it turned out to be an honest mistake on his part for the vouch, which was later retracted.
Why would the community tolerate "community member vendor impersonation" with malicious intent anymore than we would tolerate "vendor shilling" with profit intent?
I don't disagree that liars can occasionally tell the truth. But the burden of proof is so much higher for someone of low moral integrity.
And I don't find fault in saying "I don't know". But I do find fault in saying "I trust [human X]" and that is enough.
It shouldn't say anything about either to be frank.
And reputation is great. But I have a screenshot from there that includes language that the decision on PTDS was not "100% representative of PTDS, as a whole"
And me being on PTDS doesn't mean they're not valuable or respected either. What I am saying is that anything run by humans is fallible.
What should stand out to you are my actions, such as reaching out to you to ensure you wanted to vouch for someone who I thought didn't deserve your vouch. Reaching out to you after you clearly had no interest in what I was saying or my line of questioning.
nurseratchit
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Good lord, haven't checked in here in a while. This rabid defense of vendors over community members is unfathomable to me. I haven't even gone through this whole thread and I am not going to reargue anyone's case here. But get out of your own echo chambers and be willing to view all the facts instead of just cheering for your 'team' and arguing with each other. The purpose of these communities was to protect end users, not vendors. The only one who stands to lose anything is all of you when you get screwed by a bad vendor and there are plenty of them. Even the more reliable ones are never 100% reliable. Sometimes it's a mistake and sometimes it malicious and sometimes it's just bad business.
nurseratchit
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What you have is only part of the story and I'm sure I know who you got it from. Actually the whole modmin team supported the decision but 1 person wanted to talk about it first, but still ultimately supported the decision. One of the mods got hasty and posted the danger tag before there was 100% consensus and he apologized for jumping the gun. That is all.
Stop talking nonsense and post facts if you're telling people to review them.
It's so meso of you to simp for liars and (earmuffs EWB) gaslight people for wanting the truth. Admonishing them for "defending vendors".
How about you for defending liar like Gibs.
You're totally cool with spoofing a vendor account with an agenda to defraud them?
That’s definitely the brand of fuckery that’ll damage the accuser’s credibility.
It seems like the edge should cut both ways. Spoofing (shilling) or impersonation with intent to defraud shouldn't be tolerated on either side.
For sure it looks like nothing but assholes in this particular situation
And for the record I do have questions about SRYLAB with regards to the "counterfeit postage".
For instance, why did SRYLAB "change warehouses" if the labels were printed in China? There could be other reasons but it isn't clear why stating they've changed warehouses was a solution if the labels were purchased and sent along with the drop shipment to the warehouse.
For instance, why did SRYLAB "change warehouses" if the labels were printed in China? There could be other reasons but it isn't clear why stating they've changed warehouses was a solution if the labels were purchased and sent along with the drop shipment to the warehouse.
nurseratchit
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You think the vendors aren't making a profit?! Last time I checked, QSC had over 7million in their BTC wallet.
nurseratchit
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Already said I wasn't going to reargue this case and, once again, you have missed the point. I neither know nor defend Gibs. Nor do I defend SRY who has a longer dirty laundry list than just this incident. And Krysia is certainly not the arbiter of truth, nor is she actually and investigator. No one has all the facts except the parties involved. Peppys has since issued a more neutral 'buyer beware' statement acknowledging that all the facts are not known and likely never will be. This is certainly much better than just assuming, based on one screenshot, that because that member lied about that, he lies about everything else.
I do know, from having been a contributing testing member, that PTDS stands by their warning due to more than just this issue, and witnessing the conversation with multiple mods on there who are considered trusted members of the community. One such member posted that he lost nearly 1K to SRY and he walked away from it rather than get doxxed and he's not a shrinking violet. This was all in the now-nuked server and would be against their rules to share screenshots even if I had them.
Anyway, my point was community members should remain skeptical and continue vetting vendors. Past good experience doesn't mean they get a pass for the future. The best way to vet vendors is to keep testing and reporting rather than getting caught up in he-said she-said.
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